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SARAtonin
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Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 1
#27293637 - 05/04/21 09:45 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Last weekend we rented a wakeboat for Jess’s birthday weekend and spent the weekend boating. And well... now I’m pretty hooked!
I’ve been shopping for a wakeboat ever since getting back, I first went to check out electric wake boats, this one specifically:
https://nautique.com/models/super-air-nautique-gs22e/overview
And well I’m rather disappointed... 2-3 hour is all it gets off one charge? Really!?!?? If that’s the case I guess that’s out of the question sadly, I’d like to have as little of an environmental impact as possible but that’s just ridiculous.
Do we have any boaters in here that might be able to point me in the right direction?
I really like Nautique and think their vessels look beautiful but I’m a complete rookie to all this so any suggestions are going to be helpful.
This is the current vessel I have my eye on since the electric one is no good.
https://nautique.com/models/super-air-nautique-g25-paragon/overview
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: SARAtonin]
#27293683 - 05/04/21 10:13 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice, that 2nd boat looks cool as fuck
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Gypsy Boy]
#27293796 - 05/04/21 11:08 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow are they really quarter million dollars+ ?
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: druqs]
#27293824 - 05/04/21 11:22 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd imagine electric boats suck because of the amount of horsepower needed to get a waterskier/wakeboarder up out of the water. Probably need an even stronger engine for wakeboarding, since you'll add a bunch of weight to the boat to make a bigger wake.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: SARAtonin]
#27293878 - 05/04/21 11:47 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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2-3 hours in a high power boat is probably equivalent to a 400km commuter car. Electric will always suck, until the batteries get bigger. Then they will suck more. I think it's funny that people are so hype about electric. A lot of the time it's more or less just an alternative rather than something better. Stick to combustion. Lol. Electric is just a trend and a way to diversify the market to make more money. Capitalism thrives on having ideas, they don't need to be good ideas. They just have to sell it. You know what's next for vehicles? Synthetic fuels, e-fuel. Combustion. It's literally better for the environment, proving that combustion has never been the issue only profitability vs innovation. Electric is a fad, Tesla being the Apple products of the auto industry.
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Wow I agree with you

An electric boat;
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An electric boat; 
What next a wind powered boat? LMAO
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Eggtimer]
#27294058 - 05/04/21 02:01 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mandarinfish said: I would never buy that boat. A canoe would get your further.
Ever hear of a sail boat? 
I would never buy that boat. A canoe would get your further.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Mandarinfish] 1
#27294085 - 05/04/21 02:14 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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An electric boat with a cord would allow you to bypass the recharging issues

Although you would need a lengthy cord 🤔
Look at this electric lawnmower 
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Niffla]
#27294108 - 05/04/21 02:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I dont want a lectric boat until they make one powerfull enough to pull Me and Asante on water skis
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Niffla] 1
#27294112 - 05/04/21 02:32 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Niffla said: An electric boat with a cord would allow you to bypass the recharging issues

Although you would need a lengthy cord 🤔
Look at this electric lawnmower 

OP is of the fancy breed she wants the wireless boat
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: SARAtonin]
#27294181 - 05/04/21 03:18 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why do electric boats suck?
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: christopera]
#27294185 - 05/04/21 03:25 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Electricity, mostly, comes from combustion anyway. Power density of batteries is ridiculously shit and water is hard to move through.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: christopera]
#27294189 - 05/04/21 03:26 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because you can't really go fishing with them. A 3 hour charge? Mind as well spend about 200k on generators for a real trip, boating OR fishing. Guess what a generator runs on? If you're idea of boating is able to be done with a 3 hour charge, you must be having some jaw dropping adventures.
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Make a bank of deep cycle batteries then hook them up to an array of solar panels mounted to the boat to charge them.
On nice sunny days, if you can keep the batteries in float charging, you can possibly boat around all day long.
If you're willing to drop a quarter million on a boat I'm sure you could afford bells and whistles.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: natedawgnow]
#27294229 - 05/04/21 03:50 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Boats are extremely inefficient at higher speeds. Water is a dense material and the resistance it poses to motion is a function of the square of your speed. There’s also no mechanism to use a boat’s momentum to regenerate power.
Electric motors are much more robust and powerful than gas engines tho. A fast racing boat that only has to run for a couple minutes would be an excellent place to use an electric motor
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: natedawgnow] 1
#27294233 - 05/04/21 03:52 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ha didnt even click on the links. Crazy that that little boat is over a quarter mil.
Great flex sara 
Too small to mount any solar panels on so scratch that
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: natedawgnow]
#27294250 - 05/04/21 04:10 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks like the links are working again, idk why they were not earlier.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: SARAtonin]
#27294254 - 05/04/21 04:11 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I get feeling most of the posters here have never owned a boat. The mushroom forum is probably the worst place to ask about boats.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: natedawgnow] 2
#27294262 - 05/04/21 04:16 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great flex sara 
I think she's almost assuredly the historical shroomery leader in all-time forum flexes.
This is one of my favorite Sara flexes:
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SARAtonin said: Cool, now move it into ETH instead if you want to keep your investment.
I’ll bump this thread in a month when doge is worth 5 cents.
I'm not investing 100s-1000s of dollars..
Fair enough but investing shouldn’t be looking at as a joke. Some of us have 7+ figures invested and this isn’t a game to us
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Niffla]
#27294270 - 05/04/21 04:22 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im looking for suggestions from people with more knowledge about wakeboards than myself not wisecracks from the peanut gallery.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: SARAtonin]
#27294279 - 05/04/21 04:27 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ask us for yacht advice next
Or penthouse condos in Aspen advice
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Niffla]
#27294281 - 05/04/21 04:28 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aspen sucks ass
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: SARAtonin] 1
#27294283 - 05/04/21 04:29 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah give us advice on mansions and shit like that
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Buy land instead.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: SARAtonin] 2
#27294286 - 05/04/21 04:31 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just want your opinion on Dogecoin. Should I let my friends make money off me by investing in it?
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
#27294302 - 05/04/21 04:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I grew up around boats. I think the idea of trying to power a boat with solar panels is ludicrous, although I will admit I'm no physicist You know what boat stands for though? Break. Out. Another. Thousand. I doubt electricity would change that, hell; I'd bet it would cost even more to upkeep an electric boat.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: SARAtonin] 1
#27294312 - 05/04/21 04:43 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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SARAtonin said: Buy land instead. 
I had a GF like you once but i shitcanned her because she had hairy nipples
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How exactly does one shitcan?
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: christopera]
#27295135 - 05/05/21 07:03 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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One Paw one can aftermath.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: mndfreeze] 2
#27295136 - 05/05/21 07:07 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's some advise. Just go rent a boat when you want to boat. Sure it looks fun now but wait until parts start breaking down, you will pay lots and lots of money to fix boats. Entropy is a bitch....
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Word. She should just get a couple of kayaks, and call it a day.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: 1234go]
#27295140 - 05/05/21 07:11 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kayaks and canoes are better for the planet.
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spirit_shadow said: Here's some advise. Just go rent a boat when you want to boat. Sure it looks fun now but wait until parts start breaking down, you will pay lots and lots of money to fix boats. Entropy is a bitch....
This is actually really good advice. Errybody wants a truck for instance. A lot of those people "use" said truck once a year. Just rent truck, save bank
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People justify their trucks because they got one that's bigger than their neighbor's truck. Boats are no different.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: mycosis] 1
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Yep. That electric motor isn't gonna stop that baby manatee, or dolphin from gettin' all chopped up.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: christopera]
#27295158 - 05/05/21 07:25 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use my truck to get my canoe to the river.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: mycosis]
#27295163 - 05/05/21 07:27 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I wish I had a truck. Just an old, little one... nothing crazy. Mainly for kayak reasons
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: 1234go] 1
#27295165 - 05/05/21 07:28 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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We put three boats on my buddies Toyota Corolla but he’s got badass Thule racks.
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spirit_shadow said: Here's some advise. Just go rent a boat when you want to boat. Sure it looks fun now but wait until parts start breaking down, you will pay lots and lots of money to fix boats.
Sara got mad phat cash stax, bruh. Mils. She ain't sweatin no measly boat fixing expenses.
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spirit_shadow said: Here's some advise. Just go rent a boat when you want to boat. Sure it looks fun now but wait until parts start breaking down, you will pay lots and lots of money to fix boats.
Sara got mad phat cash stax, bruh. Mils. She ain't sweatin no measly boat fixing expenses.
I heard she has enough to buy us all each our own boat. I think we each deserve a boat for helping her choose a boat. I want the wireless one
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Niffla said:
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spirit_shadow said: Here's some advise. Just go rent a boat when you want to boat. Sure it looks fun now but wait until parts start breaking down, you will pay lots and lots of money to fix boats.
Sara got mad phat cash stax, bruh. Mils. She ain't sweatin no measly boat fixing expenses.
I heard she has enough to buy us all each our own boat. I think we each deserve a boat for helping her choose a boat. I want the wireless one
I hit her up for a loan because I had fallen on hard times, and I know she gots that 7 fig bank account, but she replied "bitch I don't fuxx with peasants, get your below the poverty line scrub ass off my PMs and go back to the peanut gallery where you belong" 


You can ask her for a boat but the closest I'm getting to a boat of hers is to scrub off barnacles at a slave wage of $5 bucks an hour
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Niffla]
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Nah bro. When you get slave wages you get literal slave wages. She just locks you up at night.
Whelp, I'm turned on.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: christopera]
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Whelp, I'm turned on.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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That squirrel is on acid.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: christopera]
#27295313 - 05/05/21 09:43 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Get which ever boat Jordan Belfort had.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Brian Jones]
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I have a truck to move oxygen tanks. I see a ton of dudes at the gas station with pristine oversized 4x4s with their collared shirt office job
 The good thing for Sara is she'll fit right in at a nice marina flexin them figures
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If I was balling out like that I’d look into a nuclear powered boat.
Electric is so 20th Century.
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Sara's shroomery world boat

Sara's real world boat
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: Niffla]
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Would be stoked to have even #2
Lol wtf is happening in that pcutre
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I know larry already quote this, but it's the truth. I'm not an expert on boats, not by a long shot, but I love renting one for a couple hours. I have looked at the prices of a boat, and when factoring in maintenance and storage, I just feel like it'd be pissing away money in a money pit. Renting a boat when I want a boat though, even if it's not as personal, is still an awesome experience.
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Re: Why do electric boats suck!!! 😡 [Re: geokills]
#27296145 - 05/05/21 08:17 PM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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Charter boat
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sunshine said: The order has to be secret and no one is sure.
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