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Delyrium
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: OldSpice]
#2612433 - 04/28/04 04:59 PM (19 years, 10 months ago) |
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okay i got enough time to do a little research on Iceland and it's whaling.
according to Iceland's gov't... they will have killed the following by 2005:
200 Minke Whales - Minke whales are baleen whales. This means that they filter food through their baleen - this is mainly krill, plankton and small fish.
200 Fin Whales - just like the Minke whales, the Fin whales are baleen whales as well. They feed on polar plankton, krill and small schooling fish.
100 Sei Whales - Sei whales are considered endangered according to federal status. sei whales also feed on plankton while swimming. they are also known to gulp feed on krill, shrimp and small fish.
I highly doubt these whales cause such a problem with Iceland's fishing. There are about 320 spieces of fish recorded in Iceland.
According to Iceland's whaling commissioner Stefan Asmundsson "Precisely the effect they [the whales] are having on fish stocks around Iceland, we don't know. We need better data."
So - they are allowed the hunting - however don't even KNOW if this is hurting the fish stocks.
According to Exports.co.uk , the declining cod stocks, due to overfishing in Iceland's waters, have threatened the fish-dependent economy. Poor production is reflected in the rising unemployment rate.
I need to go to class now.
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Delyrium]
#3405907 - 11/24/04 08:39 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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entertaining thread.
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Glacius
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Delyrium]
#3405927 - 11/24/04 08:44 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thats disturbing!! WTF is wrong with these people. Time to "THIN THE HERD" as it were. Lets go on a rampage and see how they like being beaten down with a fucking club. I hate this world!! Anyone care to go seal hunter huntin??
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Hanky
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Delyrium]
#3405933 - 11/24/04 08:46 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Humane-iacs piss me off.
Canada is cool,almost as cool as Australia.
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Hanky]
#3406069 - 11/24/04 09:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Canada be clubbin!
...(ahem)...baby seals.
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Hanky
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Divided_Sky]
#3406079 - 11/24/04 09:24 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whats a baby seals favorite drink.
Canadian club on the rocks.
Two baby seals walk into a club.
Ouch.
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Delyrium]
#3406091 - 11/24/04 09:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wish I was on my computer, I have a nice pic that's perfect for this thread. Oh well.
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Re: Canada can go suck it! *DELETED* [Re: Delyrium]
#3406304 - 11/24/04 10:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Super_Blunt
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: pB0t]
#3406315 - 11/24/04 10:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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WHO THE FUCK IS TALKING DOWN ON CANADA HERE?
WHO?
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RazorFire
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Super_Blunt]
#3406592 - 11/24/04 11:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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what the fuck. you take some PETA loving motherfuckers and try to talk down to the whole country of Canada? what the hell is wrong with you people. At least Canada isn't invading a country that has nothing to do with its problems ( hint Iraq) and try to justify it with ignorant news bullshit. If your against seal clubbing than go to Canada and protest it and quit calling the whole country fucked up. Hell America has much more problems than Canada. Sheesh
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Delyrium]
#3406635 - 11/24/04 11:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I feel proud to live in a country where the biggest problem that you can find with it is seal clubbing.
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Adom]
#3406641 - 11/24/04 11:36 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you know how trappers in the states treat animals? Shit goes on in your own country with raccoons, possoms and skunks that could make this look like a petting zoo. peel the fucking blinders off and try not to be so thick fucking headed.
I agree. This type of advertising is to help distract people from their true problems. Kind of like the cloak and dagger used in magic tricks. If the public is temporarily distracted by some moral dilemma, they--government, corporation sponsorship, stereotypical conspiracy, etc...--can get away passing bill's, bombing the shit out of countries, changes in the stock market.
I just watched Eminem's new video Mosh. It got me good and worked up about the bullshit going on recently.
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Rono]
#3406690 - 11/24/04 11:56 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rono said: I feel proud to live in a country where the biggest problem that you can find with it is seal clubbing.
touche.
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Super_Blunt
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Rono]
#3406802 - 11/25/04 12:33 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rono said: I feel proud to live in a country where the biggest problem that you can find with it is seal clubbing.
That's the spirit, i agree, a few clubbed seals actually gives me an slight evil grin
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Super_Blunt]
#3407082 - 11/25/04 02:19 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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hmm, anyone have any recent pics of poor inuit people clubbing seals? i see alot of pics of rich white guys with $1000 winter coats ABOUT to hit seals with a slugger baseball bat. looks sorta, you know, hastily arranged for some yuppy-on-tour made propaganda.
and del, baleen whales eat fish. in particular, breeding herring, particularly where they gather to breed. also, people DO eat krill, in fact, they arguably eat more krill than any given type of fish. but thats besides the point. people also eat whales. we also use them in makeup. do you wear makeup? the reason for hunting whales directly is for food rescources and oil. the complaint that they eat fish stocks has always been a buzz that politicians throw around, but its not really the problem. its sorta like how they shoot iraqis for oil and buzz about freedom.
try living on the ice flows. you know people do. they dont always have electricity, or medicine, and the only thing to eat is meat and fish, the only things to wear comes from animals and its damn cold, the people who do this are closer to nature then you'll ever be uncomfortable enough to see from the comparitive palace in which you dwell whimsically. they are hunters in a desolate land, like a wolf is a hunter, a wolf often tears and shreds its prey and begins to eat before its sure the casualty is dead. and the people, like the wolf, see that desolate land as a rich opportunity.
when hunters skin a seal, trust me, they know its dead. because a living seal could tear a mans arm open. however its hard to skin a frozen seal, and things freeze fast in the arctic. you gotta skin it quick, or have nothing to dress your child in. like really, you gonna pack your kid in snow or something, stuff him up your vagina for heat till hes 10 and finds a wife? the settlers killed off the wolf in fear, and grew to live rich lives. people of the north, unlike wolves, ain't in nobodies way and wont eat your baby and spook your mustangs. having run out of better fears, we now have bored people who cry eskimo.
you know what? they also eat dogs. those dogs who pull the sleds? you know? white fang? iron will? food! clothes! in hard times, too many dogs are hard too feed. sorta like when farmers had to slaughter a working ox in a hard winter for food. the dogs see their masters as a wolf sees his alpha. as nature intended. the weak are consumed so the strong survive. it might be hard to make the trasition from dog to food for someone who sees dogs as an emotional attachment type luxury. as opposed to how you might see an ox, which for all intensive accounts is a cow with a dick but no balls. and therefore beef. even if you dont eat beef, you most certanly utilize some degree of leather. but you wouldnt call the midwest settlers creul and say america can suck it because they ate cows, cows aren't as cuddly as a puppy.
now, for communities that are near enough to have trade and luxuries such as power and travel, why should THEY hunt?
easy! theres still nothing else for rescources but animals to hunt, someone has to pay for wood for houseing, schools, power bills, etc. and with no marketable local product other than art and cheap manufacturing for corperations. they still kill the seals, you might argue they dont have to, but if you ever go to iqaluit and have to spend a week or so, youll see that youre in a place you hate, evryones working and happy, evryone is surviving with less that youre capable of being comfortable with even thinking about being without. youll see them all walking around and im quite sure your predisposition of them bashing seals will wash away as they open their arms to you.
people who live in these places are no more creul than a killer whale or a polar bear, its their place on the food chain, always has been. technically the government shouldnt be putting caps on their livelyhood. technically we should be proud of what are some of the most resiliant and legitimate peoples we have.
and dying coral reefs arent the result of overfishing. actually its rising water, pollution and climate change that cause the coral to die. coral grows at a certain depth, no deeper, deepening waters wipe out huge populations, as to dropping water temps from changing currents and subsequent algael blooms. once again, man-made problems, but hardly attributable to fishing, youre probably more responsible for coral loss by driving your parents car around and giving off greenhouse gasses or consuming factory-made products and using aerosol hairspray and room deodorizor than any given icelandic fisherman.
iceland, by the was who is pioneering the renewable power movement with geothermal energy and hydrogen feulcells. the first country to actually operate a fuel station for cars that do not run on oil feuls and give off harmful chemical gas, but rather burn hydrogen and give off water vapor.
seems like theres alot of stuff you bring up that you understand very little of but use in argument to support topics you understand just as little.
my suggestion, stop raging against the injusticies you perceive outside yourself. reform with clarity is first sought within and may never be acheived in a lifetime, but acheive great and clear reform in the process for a thousand lifetimes.
going out and learning a bunch of stuff wont help you if you dont develop the ability to appropriate a balanced understanding of the information you aquire
and hating things, qualities, people, practices, is an illusion to yourself, for it only reinforces the misconception that your own hatred is born of, grows within, and is directed at something other than yourself.
why else would you make yourself live under a guideline? or a set of which to limit the way you conduct your biological functioning? diddn't you say you were a vegan?
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humans did this to themselves. im disgusted with it. i feel that i have the ability to have complete and full compassion for all living things - except the human speices... and that's because humans created so many problems for the innocent... if i HAVE to be a part of this speices - then im going to try and leave as few footprints as possible and maybe even make a small change for the better.
sounds like youre going through a histonic phase, you know what? you're the human! and i dont mean, "sorta" i mean, you are a shining example of humanity. you tell yourself youre better than evryone else, (just like evryone else does), and you still lie, indulge, and revel in the idea that perhaps you're somehow better than other humans. particularly those who are different than you and those who you first became aquainted with through propaganda that was originally conceived on the premise that it would make you beleive exactly what you now beleive.
thats what humans do, dispite the assertation it's evrything we purpose NOT to be.
yessiree sounds like a very human thing to be.
I suppose you purpose not, I do.
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Delyrium]
#3407256 - 11/25/04 04:48 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think we should beat them in the fucking head. That'd teach 'em. I wanna be first in line if this ever come to be.
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trendal
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Rono]
#3407357 - 11/25/04 06:21 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rono said: I feel proud to live in a country where the biggest problem that you can find with it is seal clubbing.
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trendal
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Mitchnast]
#3407362 - 11/25/04 06:24 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awesome points, Mitchnast!
Far too many people, safe and secure in their heated homes, like to complain about the Inuit and their "seal clubbing".
WELL I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU MOVE UP NORTH AND KEEP YOURSELF ALIVE!
Let alone your kids, your family, your entire village.
There is no farming, up there. You can't farm when all you can see in every direction is more snow. They have to live off the land, and they do so in a way most of us can not understand. The Inuit are a part of their land. They understand the seals, the wales, and the fish. They use them for food, but do so with respect.
PETA are a bunch of whiny rich kids, anyway.
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Re: Canada can go suck it! [Re: Adom]
#3407382 - 11/25/04 07:05 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adom said: Stereotyping, you are smart one. An american of all people stereo typing, I bet the world could pull out some good ones to use on you. Do you know how trappers in the states treat animals? Shit goes on in your own coutnry with racoons, possoms and skunks that could make this look like a petting zoo. peel the fucking blinders off and try not to be so thick fucking headed.
My initial response to a statement like that is to flame you to pieces. You sound like someones little sister saying, "He hit me first" or something equally immature. But since I do agree horrible things happen everywhere, I'm not going to say that, because I don't feel you would have stated it unless you were feeling defensive about your country, not offensive towards ours. I will agree that not all Canadians are Seal Clubbing morons, in fact the majority likely aren't. This is obvious and doesn't need to be reiterated. This doesn't shift responsibility for that action one way or the other. People have the choice to protest and proclaim opinion on any subject available. Some may be more inclined to be infuriated by the 911 attack on my country, then seal clubbing and vice-verse. These are only two case scenarios happening worldwide. Perhaps saying "I used to think Canadians were cool before this" is extreme, just as saying I used to think Arabs were cool until they crashed planes into our sky scrapers. Each comment is equally ethnocentric and irrelevant to the issues addressed. One thing Id like to say is the methodology behind that article is the worst. I don't agree with hunting ever, period. But the method of clubbing a live animal to death, should make you be equally disgusted not just by the act, but the method involved in that act. If you are in resistance to the treatment of raccoons and similar animals by the US perhaps you should take it to a relevant forum? I don't see how the "You do it too" attitude is necessary in regards to the original concept. Seals are being killed brutally and people are disgusted by it. Whats so hard to understand about it? Until I see you in a picket line rallying for skunk security, you don't have a right to point fingers and when you do, I wont tell you how your wrong because seals are being killed in Canada. I myself have never intentionally killed anything. And my conscience is clear. Kido Also Mitchnast, that would have been a very compelling post had you spelled more then 45% of your words correctly.
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trendal
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Until I see you in a picket line rallying for skunk security, you dont have a right to point fingers and when you do
Well doesn't the same go for people complaining about seal clubbing?
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