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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
My facebook "friend" seems to support a Trump sanctioned subversion of democracy. He sure loves America and everything it stands for...



If you mean he supports challenging the election results, then your "friend" is smarter than you realize. You're the one who has turned to ignorance and refuses to see the truth. This election was stolen, and nothing can change that fact, even if Biden takes office. He will merely be a puppet who has taken power via what is essentially a coup organized by the various factions backing him, all of whom stand to gain much power.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: chopstick] * 4
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Trump always planned to claim this if he lost, just as he did when he lost the popular vote in 2016 and claimed he won it. Actual large scale fraud not required, just an audience primed to believe his bullshit. Unfortunately for him though, even courts he stacked personally were not such an audience.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: chopstick] * 4
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chopstick said:
christopera said:
My facebook "friend" seems to support a Trump sanctioned subversion of democracy. He sure loves America and everything it stands for...



If you mean he supports challenging the election results, then your "friend" is smarter than you realize. You're the one who has turned to ignorance and refuses to see the truth. This election was stolen, and nothing can change that fact, even if Biden takes office. He will merely be a puppet who has taken power via what is essentially a coup organized by the various factions backing him, all of whom stand to gain much power.


Ignorance is listening to trump say the election was rigged despite bipartisan confirmation that it wasn't.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
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After another month or two of letting the retards catch up, I think we're going to have to start treating election fraud claims like 9/11 truth claims or flat earth claims and start moving them to the conspiracy forum.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Ovoidhunter] * 1
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Ovoidhunter said:
Kryptos said:
I think it's not a bad idea. Instead of spending money on federal welfare, we just use the funds to relocate anybody that wants to leave, and then let the south secede.

Let's do an experiment. See which method of governance works out better. Democratic, or theocratic.


You act as if it's some sort of uncolonized territory cut off from the rest of the world. Only someone with a low IQ would say some shit like that. Probably just jealous because we are the backbone of the country and without us you'd be left with a bunch of panty waist liberal pussys. Oh, and our guns. Our glorious guns.


the south is hardly the backbone of the US economy, with the exception of Texas it would largely unproductive and impoverished without the rest of the country to prop it up


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
chopstick said:
christopera said:
My facebook "friend" seems to support a Trump sanctioned subversion of democracy. He sure loves America and everything it stands for...



If you mean he supports challenging the election results, then your "friend" is smarter than you realize. You're the one who has turned to ignorance and refuses to see the truth. This election was stolen, and nothing can change that fact, even if Biden takes office. He will merely be a puppet who has taken power via what is essentially a coup organized by the various factions backing him, all of whom stand to gain much power.


Ignorance is listening to trump say the election was rigged despite bipartisan confirmation that it wasn't.




Bipartisan confirmation? Please. Mitch McConnell is folding because he is a typical career establishment politician that doesn't have the guts to fight.

None of the traditional GOP party does.

Which is why the Republican party is now officially dead. The millions of people who supported Trump will not forget this betrayal. Time for a new political party, which has the interests of the people at heart to take Root and capture Trump's base as well as all the independents and free thinkers who supported him.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: chopstick] * 2
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Yeah a new more extreme party that attracts a subset of current Republicans and drives moderates out, that should solve their problems getting people to vote for their presidential candidates. A Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote just once so far this century, GWB's second term.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: psi]
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psi said:
Yeah a new more extreme party that attracts a subset of current Republicans and drives moderates out, that should solve their problems getting people to vote for their presidential candidates. A Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote just once so far this century, GWB's second term.



Why would it have to be more extreme? America clearly needs a new party which represents the will of the people. Neither the Republican nor the Democratic party fit that bill - they are both corrupt, self-serving parties that serve the corporations and not the People.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: chopstick] * 6
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Yeah, you guys should totally do it!  Form a third party of true patriots.  We're all rooting for you.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: chopstick] * 3
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In both elections it was the will of the majority of voters that Trump not win.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said:
christopera said:
My facebook "friend" seems to support a Trump sanctioned subversion of democracy. He sure loves America and everything it stands for...



If you mean he supports challenging the election results, then your "friend" is smarter than you realize. You're the one who has turned to ignorance and refuses to see the truth. This election was stolen, and nothing can change that fact, even if Biden takes office. He will merely be a puppet who has taken power via what is essentially a coup organized by the various factions backing him, all of whom stand to gain much power.


I absolutely support challenging election results (when there's evidence to support doing so), but my friend never even said those words, nor indicated that's what Trump was doing. You are just saying words to please yourself.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: christopera] * 2
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chopstick said:
This election was stolen, and nothing can change that fact, even if Biden takes office..


That's not how reality works. See, I'm pretty sure that the election was not stolen. But if new evidence were to surface, or a new court case, that is something that might 'change that fact' for me.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. 60 loses in court make it pretty clear that claims of fraud were bullshit.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Lynnch] * 3
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...we really need an alt-alt-ALT-right party, that'll show 'em

Trump lost because he does not speak for most of the country, hell even his 'friends' and 'best people' think he is incompetent

seriously people are so dumb to believe that voting Democrat means they want to be China, what kind of mind fuckery is that


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said:
I'm pretty sure that the election was not stolen. But if new evidence were to surface, or a new court case, that is something that might 'change that fact' for me.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. 60 loses in court make it pretty clear that claims of fraud were bullshit.


While I haven't seen clear evidence of fraud, what I've seen in many cases is something along the lines of a great many people complaining that they weren't allowed to watch the counting process, and then when asked if they had proof of fraud they said "no, I wasn't allowed to watch the process", and since they said "no", the cases were tossed.  Or cases were tossed because the courts said they didn't have jurisdiction.  So they didn't get tossed because we know there wasn't cheating, they got tossed because it couldn't be proven that there was cheating.  :shrug:


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
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And if that can't be proven, it likely didn't happen...

It also hasn't been proven that anyone was unlawfully excluded from observing.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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Were the people doing the counting all Democrats?
Georgia was recounted 3 times, nothing changed, Wisconsin was recounted and Biden's margin improved.
80 judges saw zero merit in any of the claims :shrug:

It's been 4 years since hearing a U.S. President talk, you know, like properly.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Lynnch said:
I'm pretty sure that the election was not stolen. But if new evidence were to surface, or a new court case, that is something that might 'change that fact' for me.

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true. 60 loses in court make it pretty clear that claims of fraud were bullshit.


While I haven't seen clear evidence of fraud, what I've seen in many cases is something along the lines of a great many people complaining that they weren't allowed to watch the counting process, and then when asked if they had proof of fraud they said "no, I wasn't allowed to watch the process", and since they said "no", the cases were tossed.  Or cases were tossed because the courts said they didn't have jurisdiction.  So they didn't get tossed because we know there wasn't cheating, they got tossed because it couldn't be proven that there was cheating.  :shrug:


Trump encouraged his voters to be election watchers. Crowds of trump supporters showed up for the counting, and most of them were not allowed to observe because there were already watchers. The law says candidates CAN have representatives observing. There is no law that says everyone who wants to watch ca. Conversely, there is no requirement that counting cannot continue without public observers.


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: koods]
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This may have been posted already and I missed it.  Ex-Cop hired as private investigator arrested in bogus election fraud plot.

https://www.npr.org/2020/12/16/946995614/ex-houston-police-officer-charged-in-attack-over-bogus-election-fraud-plot


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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Stable Genius]
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Stable Genius said:
It's been 4 years since hearing a U.S. President talk, you know, like properly.


This thread is irony gold today.

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Re: TRUMP 2024 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
  So they didn't get tossed because we know there wasn't cheating, they got tossed because it couldn't be proven that there was cheating.  :shrug:


I believe in a magical invisible unicorn in the sky. I don't have any evidence to prove it exists, but that actually helps my case because that just proves how invisible and magical it is. qed.
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What would a court case that disproved fraud look like?...
Trump's team is the one making outrageous claims. It is on them to prove those claims. They went to court, they lost. There doesn't have to be an instance where the court affirmatively disproves their claims. 
To do so would be for me to insist that you have to believe in the sky unicorn with me until you're able to prove its non-existence.

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