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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: verum subsequentis]
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Well I guess technically I dont know for sure, havent had its dna analyzed or anything. but it certainly looks and performs like one, probably 10 transfers in, and back and forth from 3 slants, and through multiple grows

But I agree with your point, I've seen stuff randomly start sectoring on later plates after looking perfectly even for a few transfers

Though I've seen Much less of that from MS since I started using that streaking technique for spores, since its basically a serial dilution on the plate, and there are very few spores present in the final zones.

On the plate in question, I even used less spores than normal, and diluted them farther in water before streaking, so very little germinated since they were spread very thin


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Edited by c10h12n2o (02/15/20 10:26 PM)

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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c10h12n2o said:
Happy to help :smile:

What was your agar recipe?

I really love the streaking technique posted here, REALLY speeds up the process of isolating cultures and cleaning contams. I've gotten an isolate in 3 transfers like this (!)




PDA, just potato flakes, honey and agar.

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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Glad you're back too!

c10h12n2o said:
Happy to help :smile:
...cleaning contams. I've gotten an isolate in 3 transfers like this (!)



Does this mean, T1 thru T3? And if so does that mean you are using the same streaking technique with myc?

And maybe I can sneak this question in, no one seems to want to touch it.
My GT isolates keep looking "just fuzzy", am I just isolating contam?
           


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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: Inthepit]
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nosf3r4tu said:
c10h12n2o said:
Happy to help :smile:

What was your agar recipe?

I really love the streaking technique posted here, REALLY speeds up the process of isolating cultures and cleaning contams. I've gotten an isolate in 3 transfers like this (!)




PDA, just potato flakes, honey and agar.



How much agar agar?

It's easy to accidentally stretch the surface, especially if you are using low amounts of agar


Inthepit said:
Glad you're back too!

c10h12n2o said:
Happy to help :smile:
...cleaning contams. I've gotten an isolate in 3 transfers like this (!)



Does this mean, T1 thru T3? And if so does that mean you are using the same streaking technique with myc?

And maybe I can sneak this question in, no one seems to want to touch it.
My GT isolates keep looking "just fuzzy", am I just isolating contam?
           



I'm pretty sure this was all documented in a thread somewhere... basically someone was saying it was impossible to get an isolate in less than 10 transfers, so I figured I'd see how fast i could do it, just for fun

I started by taking a few spores from a loop, mixing it in a small media bottle on a stir plate w magnetic stir bar, then used the solution to do serial dilution (took .1ml from the 50ml and used it to make another bottle of 50ml, repeated that 2 times I think). Then i used the most dilute one to streak 5 plates. Then I transferred all the colonies from later streaking zones, and kept transferring till i thought I had an isolate. Most took about 7 transfers but I got lucky on one

So yes, it was 3 transfers away from the streak plate. I did more just to verify

Not streaking with myc, taking tiny transfers the size of a big salt grain using a 15C scalpel blade

About your question:
Have you ever grown it out? 

They definitely look weird.. what kind of agar recipe are you using? Do all your plates look like these or just these cultures?

I cant tell from the pics, does it look powdery at all? The first and 2nd pics kinda do but last one not so much. I've had lots of pan cyan myc look like that 3rd pic

Some myc just refuses to go rhizo on agar, but I'd be surprised to see that across that many cultures . How many transfers in are you from the original print/clone?


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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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5 g potato flakes
10 ml honey
9g agar agar
450 ml water

I didn't scrach it I went all the way through it. To the bottom.
This is my first attempt at agar and I've learned my lesson:) probably still more to come. I think I have enough spores to play with till I get my first prints.

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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Very helpful post indeed. I do have one question though. If performing the 3 streak inoculation with swabs instead of a loop, would you use a new swab for each new streak? Or could you possibly rotate the swab after each streak?

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: Zakkery]
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I dont like using swabs directly to agar, I know it works, I just cant consider them sterile. I use individually wrapped swabs from medical supply places so I guess they are sterile, I just love using a loop

When I'm using a swab I normally scratch it with my loop above zone 1, then streak that area to spread them out, then flame and streak the next zones (using bacticinerator or flame between zones)

That way I'm not introducing food for contams onto my swab, and less chance of introducing contams from my swab onto the agar

Also I usually do 4 or 5 zones for the streak. You could probably do the same with a new sterile swab, but unlike a loop, most spores would probably end up on the swab rather than the agar, so idk how well it would work. I'd just make a loop and either scrape it like I do or swab section 1 then use the loop to spread it out and create the other zones


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"Partial knowledge is more triumphant than complete knowledge; it takes things to be simpler than they are, and so makes its theory more popular and convincing."

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies"
― Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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c10h12n2o said:
I dont like using swabs directly to agar, I know it works, I just cant consider them sterile. I use individually wrapped swabs from medical supply places so I guess they are sterile, I just love using a loop

When I'm using a swab I normally scratch it with my loop above zone 1, then streak that area to spread them out, then flame and streak the next zones (using bacticinerator or flame between zones)

That way I'm not introducing food for contams onto my swab, and less chance of introducing contams from my swab onto the agar

Also I usually do 4 or 5 zones for the streak. You could probably do the same with a new sterile swab, but unlike a loop, most spores would probably end up on the swab rather than the agar, so idk how well it would work. I'd just make a loop and either scrape it like I do or swab section 1 then use the loop to spread it out and create the other zones




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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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c10h12n2o said:
I dont like using swabs directly to agar, I know it works, I just cant consider them sterile. I use individually wrapped swabs from medical supply places so I guess they are sterile, I just love using a loop

When I'm using a swab I normally scratch it with my loop above zone 1, then streak that area to spread them out, then flame and streak the next zones (using bacticinerator or flame between zones)

That way I'm not introducing food for contams onto my swab, and less chance of introducing contams from my swab onto the agar

Also I usually do 4 or 5 zones for the streak. You could probably do the same with a new sterile swab, but unlike a loop, most spores would probably end up on the swab rather than the agar, so idk how well it would work. I'd just make a loop and either scrape it like I do or swab section 1 then use the loop to spread it out and create the other zones



Great thanks for the info. Ive got a bunch of packaged sterile swabs too but I'll take your advice and add making a loop to my 'to-do list'.

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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Thank you for such a detailed response!

using a 15C scalpel blade
Awesome scalpel, when I actually grow something, I'll be spending on equipment.

About your question:
Have you ever grown it out?

Sorry I don't know what that means. My guess, what I was thinking, is to just put some in a jar and let 'er rip! LOL Then if it goes 100% colonized, G2G it out.

They definitely look weird.. what kind of agar recipe are you using? Do all your plates look like these or just these cultures?
Well I started with the SAGARI philosophy, but it seems like the agar is really wet. 4g agar, 7g potato, 50% oat broth, for 500mL. Next batch mebbe 8g agar, 7g potato...Oh and I strain the potato bits out because they're distracting. Can hot agar go thru a coffee filter? Oh and some food color which the PESA loves to eat.

I cant tell from the pics, does it look powdery at all? The first and 2nd pics kinda do but last one not so much. I've had lots of pan cyan myc look like that 3rd pic
No not powder, more like cotton ball.
I know this GT refuses to go rhizo. The PESA and TOC with the same agar are fine.
            That T1 went to Oats ACKCHUALLY!   
PESA has gone to Oats and is about 80% col and lookin goooood!
TOC is slower and mebbe soon to Oats. Since Oats are so controversial here's what I'm using.

Some myc just refuses to go rhizo on agar, but I'd be surprised to see that across that many cultures . How many transfers in are you from the original print/clone?
It looks like I'm at T5 and needing to go T6. My labeling system matured as the plates evolved.
   
Funny thing, this pin is my first mushroom in 45 years! OMG!
   

So to anticipate your answers:
  1. Ya, jar that bitch!
  2. No, dummy, you can't get hot agar to go thru a coffee filter. Filter the crappy potato first.
  3. Ya SAGARI is for a certain way, just stick with 8 to 10g agar, and the broth is ok.

Edited by Inthepit (02/17/20 06:39 AM)

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: Inthepit] * 1
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Inthepit said:
Some myc just refuses to go rhizo on agar, but I'd be surprised to see that across that many cultures . How many transfers in are you from the original print/clone?
It looks like I'm at T5 and needing to go T6. My labeling system matured as the plates evolved.
   
Funny thing, this pin is my first mushroom in 45 years! OMG!
   




So not sure how you are labeling, but I don't see how you are on T5 at all unless there are a lot of plates missing from that pic.  If you have a germ plate, the first transfer off that is T1.  Then a transfer from that particular T1 plate to a new plate is T2 and so on. 


And hot agar will go through a coffee filter just fine.

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: InfiniteDreams]
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Hey thanks for that, really appreciate all the help!

So not sure how you are labeling, but I don't see how you are on T5 at all unless there are a lot of plates missing from that pic.  If you have a germ plate, the first transfer off that is T1.  Then a transfer from that particular T1 plate to a new plate is T2 and so on.

Well ya, the photo was the one from Germ plates and it isn't up to date with later TX's.


And hot agar will go through a coffee filter just fine.

Oh cool, gotta try that!

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: Inthepit] * 1
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I would use fine cheesecloth rather than a coffee filter. There are pics of the way I do it in the guide.  Never tried a coffee filter , cheesecloth does the job just fine


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"Partial knowledge is more triumphant than complete knowledge; it takes things to be simpler than they are, and so makes its theory more popular and convincing."

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies"
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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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c10h12n2o said:
I would use fine cheesecloth rather than a coffee filter. There are pics of the way I do it in the guide.  Never tried a coffee filter , cheesecloth does the job just fine



Thanks, but the wifie says she hasn't been able to find it here. Prolly try online.
Anyway I'm gonna take the GT to T6 and will see. Thanks again

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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c10h12n2o said:
I would use fine cheesecloth rather than a coffee filter. There are pics of the way I do it in the guide.  Never tried a coffee filter , cheesecloth does the job just fine



I must have followed your guide.  Great success and would recommend!

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: InfiniteDreams]
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I added my bacticinerator to the guide a few days ago. Cant stress how much I love that fuckin thing. Got it for less than 40$!!!

Yeah cheesecloth is at most grocery stores but you can get the extra fine stuff cheap on Amazon

Anytime, happy to help :smile:


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"Partial knowledge is more triumphant than complete knowledge; it takes things to be simpler than they are, and so makes its theory more popular and convincing."

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies"
― Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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c10h12n2o said:
WARNING: this is a little bit less than kosher, but i will provide the reasoning every guide says to let the PC zero out on its own. naturally the pressure falls once you kill the heat, and once it hits zero it goes below zero, then eventually back up. in my early work with agar, i had some contamination due to opening the PC when the pressure was negative, which led to sucking contams into my agar. what i like to do now is a little impatient, but i have not not seen any problems from it in the 15k to 20k plates i have done with this method. so here is what i like to do: i carefully watch the pressure as it falls, then right as it gets to zero, right before it crosses the line, i pop the vent. this means there is a small hiss of positive pressure being released from the valve (which is good, because it means nothing was sucked in), with less and less pressure as you get closer to zero, with negative pressure building if you wait too long (which sucks in contams). so right before zero, i put on protective gloves/mits, pop the valve, open the PC, and immediately tighten the lids on the media bottles and remove them

lids tightened and bottles removed from PC


c10



How do we do this with a PC that does not have a pressure gauge?

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: PNat]
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Good question... I'm not sure, I have never actually used one without a gauge

I cant think of a way to guarantee that there would be positive pressure without a gauge. Also you dont want too much pressure ofc. Sorry but I cant think of a good way to do that without a gauge


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"Partial knowledge is more triumphant than complete knowledge; it takes things to be simpler than they are, and so makes its theory more popular and convincing."

"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies"
― Friedrich Nietzsche

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: c10h12n2o]
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THANK YOU c10 for answering my question, I guess I will skip that part.  I also want to say that I really APPRECIATE you for this agar guide and the tips & tricks that you provided.  I just started, so there are so much to learn and you guys in this forum help me out a bunch.  Again THANKS for the guide.

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Re: c10's Agar Guide + Tips & Tricks (post #1000) [Re: PNat]
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Happy to help, let me know if you have any more questions:)


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