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Re: Sanders [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
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You got me there.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
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~~~Reminder~~~


FEC deadline for Q4 is in 2 days. If you’re gonna donate to Bernie, nows the time.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones] * 2
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Brian Jones said:
I believe high wage union workers will support Biden because they already have what Bernie wants to give to other people. They already have a monopoly on the building trades in the rust belt. Right to work laws have no effect on them. There is a mile long waiting list to get into these unions. They make great money and have great health insurance.

Bernie will get most of the support of the lower and medium wage unions. He's already got the nurses.



We honestly pay a lot more for health insurance than the average person. I have it made though and I understand that I'm lucky. I'm honestly surprised so many people want to go to college. You can make a lot more money going through a 5 year apprenticeship in the trades. The key to being successful in life is just to get a skill and invest your money. I wish someone would have told me that when I was like 17. I'm almost 100% sure someone like Bernie will win 20 year's from now. The younger people love him and once they get older I'm sure we'll have things like universal healthcare. Things are changing it's just a slow process....

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Re: Sanders [Re: Shenmue] * 2
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Dude you can’t say you realize you were lucky and then lurch right into a “if everyone did what I did they’d make it too” argument.

Either it’s a meritocracy or it isn’t. (It isn’t)


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Yes, getting into a trade/craft union is almost always made possible by personal connections.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones]
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When all the shit went down for the big three in MI, being in a union did not prevent pink slips. Lots of UAW leaders stole from thier members. Unions have thier place but it seems they have lost thier way.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Sanders [Re: SirTripAlot]
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I see a clear distinction between industrial unions (basically dying) and trade unions (going strong). There's corruption in the trade unions as well. My older brother's father in law got appointed by the Feds to run the Joliet Laborers Union after the government temporarily took it over for being so mobbed up.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: Sanders [Re: Shenmue]
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Shenmue said:
Brian Jones said:
I believe high wage union workers will support Biden because they already have what Bernie wants to give to other people. They already have a monopoly on the building trades in the rust belt. Right to work laws have no effect on them. There is a mile long waiting list to get into these unions. They make great money and have great health insurance.

Bernie will get most of the support of the lower and medium wage unions. He's already got the nurses.



We honestly pay a lot more for health insurance than the average person. I have it made though and I understand that I'm lucky. I'm honestly surprised so many people want to go to college. You can make a lot more money going through a 5 year apprenticeship in the trades. The key to being successful in life is just to get a skill and invest your money. I wish someone would have told me that when I was like 17. I'm almost 100% sure someone like Bernie will win 20 year's from now. The younger people love him and once they get older I'm sure we'll have things like universal healthcare. Things are changing it's just a slow process....


Yeeeeesssss!!!

:toast:

I've got 6 years of college education, only to end up in the trades. I'm quite sure I enjoy my work more than folks working in an office, and I know I can make more money than a lot of them, if I want to. With that said, I really did enjoy college, and I will probably continue to take classes in things that interest me, every so often.

I tell any kid that will listen to develop a trade skill, and then, if they want, they can chase some other dream, and have the finances to do so. Learning a trade teaches you skills that can be applied to many other things in life. I think that once you learn to refine an ability, such as welding, tenaciously, you know what it takes to be good at anything.


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"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Sanders [Re: SirTripAlot] * 3
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SirTripAlot said:
When all the shit went down for the big three in MI, being in a union did not prevent pink slips. Lots of UAW leaders stole from thier members. Unions have thier place but it seems they have lost thier way.


Yes, which is why we need to implement German-style worker councils, to circumvent the problem of corrupt union officials.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
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Since Biden said he would nominate Obama to the Supreme Court, I think Bernie should one up him and nominate AOC. She could serve 55 or 60 years and there are no rape allegations.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Since Biden said he would nominate Obama to the Supreme Court, I think Bernie should one up him and nominate AOC. She could serve 55 or 60 years and there are no rape allegations.



Cause we really need MORE inexperienced people serving on the highest court in the country? :rolleyes:

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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Since Biden said he would nominate Obama to the Supreme Court, I think Bernie should one up him and nominate AOC. She could serve 55 or 60 years and there are no rape allegations.


Yeah, I don't think we should have activist judges with such little experience judging shit, but I do like AOC a lot. On a side note, are you suggesting that Obama has rape allegations against him, or are you referring to Kavanaugh?


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Not Obama, just Kavanaugh and wishes he could rape if only he had more conviction Clarence Thomas. Besides her 60 year potential, AOC would hardly be the worst choice compared to what we've seen lately. It's really interesting that there are no eligibility requirements. I'm just trying to figure out who would piss them off the most if the senate went Democrat. Greta Thunberg?

Nothing I have suggested (so far) is more outlandish than Trump as President.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Not Obama, just Kavanaugh and wishes he could rape if only he had more conviction Clarence Thomas. Besides her 60 year potential, AOC would hardly be the worst choice compared to what we've seen lately. It's really interesting that there are no eligibility requirements. I'm just trying to figure out who would piss them off the most if the senate went Democrat. Greta Thunberg?


I'm not concerned with pissing people off, honestly. That's a Republican concern. They'll bite off their own dick to spite their democrat. I just want what's best for the country. On a side note, I wonder how people around here feel about limitations on how long a supreme court justice can serve? I know the objections to terms (ie, if supreme court justices have terms, they will make judgements with re-election in mind, rather than justice), but I don't see why a judge couldn't be given 10 or 20 years, and then replaced.

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Nothing I have suggested (so far) is more outlandish than Trump as President.


Simulation theory, bro.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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The way I look at it no one has been a more purposeless justice than Clarence Thomas. Anyone who wrote an opinion, any opinion, would be better.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
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Re: Sanders [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Simulation theory, bro.


Kinda funny and ironic how an entire generation that openly mocks the idea of creation is so quick to believe in simulation. Cuz Joe Rogan said so.

Sorry, way off topic.

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Re: Sanders [Re: Ran-D]
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Ran-D said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Simulation theory, bro.


Kinda funny and ironic how an entire generation that openly mocks the idea of creation is so quick to believe in simulation. Cuz Joe Rogan said so.

Sorry, way off topic.


Cuz Joe Rogan said so lmao!

I love Joey boy, but my opinion is actually based on sound logic, and I'm sure I've posted about simulation theory on this here forum, long before JR started talking about it.

Stephen Hawking, and Neil deGrasse Tyson have both suggested that there is merit to the idea. In fact, check this shit out:



Also, I like to entertain the idea, but at the end of the day, I will always tell you that I don't know. You won't find any creationists doing that, and there is a whole other set of garbage that one must swallow, when they start down that road.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


Edited by Bigbadwooof (12/30/19 03:10 PM)

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Re: Sanders [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Ran-D said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Simulation theory, bro.


Kinda funny and ironic how an entire generation that openly mocks the idea of creation is so quick to believe in simulation. Cuz Joe Rogan said so.

Sorry, way off topic.


Cuz Joe Rogan said so lmao!

I love Joey boy, but my opinion is actually based on sound logic, and I'm sure I've posted about simulation theory on this here forum, long before JR started talking about it.

Stephen Hawking, and Neil deGrasse Tyson have both suggested that there is merit to the idea. In fact, check this shit out:



Also, I like to entertain the idea, but at the end of the day, I will always tell you that I don't know. You won't find any creationists doing that, and there is a whole other set of garbage that one must swallow, when they start down that road.


the repeat use of "for their own entertainment"
makes me think of the Hindu concept of Lila
which could take it a step further, and presume the individual who programmed the simulation did so as a VR experience and then inserted themself into the project

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Lila (Sanskrit: लीला, IAST līlā) or Leela can be loosely translated as the "divine play". The concept of Lila is common to both non-dualist and dualist philosophical schools of Indian philosophy, but has a markedly different significance in each. Within non-dualism, Lila is a way of describing all reality, including the cosmos, as the outcome of creative play by the divine absolute (Brahman). In the dualistic schools of Vaishnavism, Lila refers to the activities of God and his devotee, as well as the macrocosmic actions of the manifest universe, as seen in the Vaishnava scripture...


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Hindu denominations differ on how a human should react to awareness of Lila. Karma Yoga allows a joyful embrace of all aspects of life ("intentional acceptance") while maintaining distinction from the Supreme, while Bhakti and Jnana Yoga advocate striving for oneness with the Supreme. Lila is an important idea in the traditional worship of Krishna (as prankster) and Shiva (as dancer), and has been used by modern writers like Stephen Nachmanovitch, Fritjof Capra, and Alan Watts.

Lila is comparable to the Western theological position of Pandeism, which describes the Universe as God taking a physical form in order to experience the interplay between the elements of the Universe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila_(Hinduism)

had not previously heard of Pandeism before retrieving that link, but glancing at it has some further implications to my "point"
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Pandeism (or pan-deism), a theological doctrine first delineated in the 18th century, combines aspects of pantheism with aspects of deism. It holds that a creator deity became the universe (pantheism) and ceased to exist as a separate and conscious entity (deism holding that God does not interfere with the universe after its creation).[2][3][4][5] Pandeism is proposed to explain (as it relates to deism) why God would create a universe and then appear to abandon it, and (as it relates to pantheism) an origin and purpose of the universe.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism

so any or all of us is the creator of the simulation, having forgotten the exact parameters that cease the simulation

:uhoh:

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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Besides her 60 year potential, AOC would hardly be the worst choice compared to what we've seen lately.


I like AOC, but she doesn't have a legal education, though I guess it's not required by the Constitution.

Interestingly a law degree WAS a requirement to be the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, but that rule was changed so they could make Lutsenko prosecutor general.

Lutsenko had just served 2 1/2 years in jail for embezzlement and abuse of office - just the guy we needed to ignore Burisma corruption.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
So any or all of us is the creator of the simulation, having forgotten the exact parameters that cease the simulation

:uhoh:


:mindblown:

I like it.

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