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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
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Tulipslave said:
Heinrik said:
You guys clearly don't understand how addiction works.

When you're an addict, you're not in control



YES, you are in control.  get out of here with that nonsense.  saying someone is not in control is just more enabling babble.



Quote:
your subconscious is in control


the subconscious is always there, it's up to the individual to exercise their mind and be aware of their thoughts and actions.  the brain can be wired and rewired over and again. 

addiction comes down to what someone TRULY wants/desires for themselves.  if they would rather get high/drunk than not, then that is the course of action.  what someone says does not matter, it's their actions that matter.


/end of story



Think about leaving someone you really love, you can never see her again, like your mother for example, you can not see her in 1 year 10 years or 50 years, she's gone forever.

That's how hard it is to quit a drug you're very addicted to. I'm not saying it is impossible it's just extremely difficult, most heavy addicts need external help like psychological therapy and support.

Of course different people have different levels of addiction. The level of how addicted someone is to something depends on how bad  his life is without it.
Even if you have a good life, the more you use it the more your mood and health deteriorates, the more it deteriorates, the more hooked you become.

It has been your friend helping you emotionally through tough times, allowing you to appreciate life more and making things more fun, now you have to leave it and never look back.
This kind of psychological reward creates an intense bond between the user and the drug.


Some people might be able to quit it on their own, but it's necessary intense psychological work or maybe a very traumatic ayahuasca trip.

Edited by Heinrik (05/01/19 11:38 AM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Try heroin.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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Barnaby said:
Try heroin.



Better not, I can't miss what I never had.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Yeah.  I did for a bit.  Now even long benders on hard liquor after last month, no.  Shit to do, it is warming up outside.  I hate anything I feel I have to have.  And that seems the worst and a bathtub full of ice and under my balls to wake me up long ago, I gave it up. 

Not like I have needle marks and shit.  I just thought, I like my alcohol.  Well they say it is a slow death.  People think what they think, most is shit and they can't see what is right in front of them in society and health.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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Does one ever get to the point where one doesn't believe in coincidences anymore.  Esoterics, such a variety!  Any one actually learns things and has fun most times.  I am ok with that.

Love beer though, I do prepare for a deep experience though as I can give it up and do at times.  Get more out of it.  Tried to talk to my brother and his girlfriend on lsd when they were both drunk and it was like trying to break through a concrete barrier for them to have any understanding of my ideas and esoteric state.

Esoteric states aren't bad on alcohol, a different animal though.  Have learned even when shaking and seeing horrid hallucinations on fear that it is just the body projecting it's fears in ones mind and one sees it but is so distorted to reality.  If that makes any sense. 

I have always been fit.  I walk everywhere.  I just find it is easier to process emotions and see what is real and what is fear, false evidence appearing real as the saying goes, more.

Yeah, Time for Summer.:wonka:  Observe without judgement and I am heavily judged but not by people that matter in life.  Took me a long time to realize that.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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I'm on tramadol right now and it feels good

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I am on Klonopin and my beer is running out.  Have to make a beer run.  I hate where I live and the laws.  I feel fucking lazy as hell. 

The people that take pills to not drink have some will power.  I train before thru hikes on 15 miles a day and prepare for it.

I hate the judgement and condemnation of people that do that to me when I am fit, eat well, and my blood pressure is top notch.  Fuck off.  Let people be.  I have seen alcoholics, when I get called called one it just makes me laugh at the ignorance.

Don't want to leave the music at dusk.  Apartments suck for blasting music.  Enjoy life people.  Industrialized country problems.  Where people talk about walking miles each day for water in third world countries.  Yes it is cheap to travel to such places, and some feel proud they did, not my thing fuck off.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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What are you rambling on about? don't drink and drive to the beer store, if your so fit you can walk.


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LAGM2020

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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I didn't know I could.  Thank you for your wonderful insight and wisdom!  I was going to take a bottle of wild turkey and just drive to Vegas on the way but you have brought me to my senses!

Thank you for common sense.  Caption obvious.:wonka:  Driving on LSD is much harder, believe me I know.:shrug::chesire:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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I wouldn't use klonopin if I were you, benzos have the most devasting withdrawals you could ever imagine, it can last months or even years.

You're gonna get the most gory disturbing nightmares, human centipede will look cute compared to it, you won't be able to think straight or talk to people, you will have delusions, you will see demons and shadow people, it's like a 24/7 hell.

The most sneaky thing about klonopin is that you won't know you're phisically dependent and how serious it is until you go 4 days without using it, it has a very long half life.

Edited by Heinrik (05/02/19 07:38 PM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Wow such wisdom to share from a M.  Lol.  Man, older generations have some wisdom believe it or not.  There are some out there in this world of ours.  And I disagree with your opinion.:shrug:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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I can concur benzos were the hardest thing I've ever had to quit. Took me months to figure out that I could live a normal life without Xanax.

Weren't you going to walk to the beer store Barnaby? Well pitter patter lets get atter.


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Tek's I use

LAGM2020

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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You said I was going to drive, lol.  Yes I am going to walk when I finish this pint and I took my benzo an hour ago.  I am fit and blood pressure is great.  Blasting this before the noise curfew at 9 my time.  Kind of revs me up.  Damn blue collar tweekers.  Have been known to ride the rails, ever tried that? 

Fuck, the larger picture.  Benzos are so bad and alcohol or whatever you don't like in life.  I have a lot of hard won wisdom.  Doesn't make me better than you, I just don't get caught up in petty shit.

HY Yah, HY Yah, HY Yah, nothing like a good Cleveland Indian drumbeat about savages going to scalp the people.  History is amusing.  Some guy would blast Indian shit selling meth like don't fuck with me and it worked out quite well for him.  Stick to pot.

 

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby] * 1
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He's already having all the symptoms I described about benzo withdrawals, poor man.

Edited by Heinrik (05/03/19 03:10 AM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I like projections of me from strangers and some that have a tangled mind with judgements and assumptions.  You are a fool.:shrug:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Heinrik said:
Think about leaving someone you really love, you can never see her again, like your mother for example, you can not see her in 1 year 10 years or 50 years, she's gone forever.

That's how hard it is to quit a drug you're very addicted to. I'm not saying it is impossible it's just extremely difficult, most heavy addicts need external help like psychological therapy and support.



I've been heavily addicted to things in my life before, for years on end, more than once. I understand how difficult it is.
The fact is that when you are ready to give up you just do it, there is no internal fight. An ongoing internal fight on whether or not to do it is just a lack of conviction which no amount of counseling will replace.
If you love it like your mother you aren't really ready. This is why AA and NA have such high recidivism rates. Loads of hoo-ha, moping about, telling stories about how they loved it, mulling about their issues rather than just moving on with life. Their end goal being living life as dry drunks or clean addicts, permanent suffering... fuck that.

Most heavy addicts get to the drug free place by themselves eventually, after all the therapy and support groups turn out to be useless and they realise all they have to do is stop doing drugs mentally as well as physically.

If you don't want it, stop wanting it. A fight against yourself is one you cannot win. If you think of it, think how it actually makes you feel. Drinking alcohol tastes good, then what... alone, insecure, angry, frustrated, ashamed, insert your reality. No need or way to fight that. Just move on.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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God, Fakesunra is at it again.  Must be the booze lol.




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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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im an alcoholic and my heart is broken because of it


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Oceanshoree] * 1
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Be a champ and use some discipline and will power.  Don't cower under the idiotic addiction is a disease and I am powerless over it.  I get that with heroin and oxy's but alcohol?  Really is not that hard to quit for awhile but maybe it is for you.  Whatever, doesn't make you less of a human being.  I almost drowned in a gushing river that was gushing late at night that I stumbled into late at night. 

Just go easy on the hard liquor, switch to beer, hydrate and eat everyday healthy food with salt, lots of sea salt and water, is better than Gatorade to rehydrate.  Unasked for advice but one can do it.  It is not like you are shooting up everyday or smoking packs of ciggies.  Addictions suck, take control of it if you choose but don't go into the pity party and poor me type of heavy drinker.

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