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Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? * 2
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I've seen people who have wine, vodka, beer, whiskey in their house, but they barely ever touch them.

How is this possible? Do they feel less euphoria from it?

I could never have alcohol in my house, I can't stop until it's gone

It doesn't matter how hard i try, if I have it in my house it's like an itch I keep thinking about it all day until I give in.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik] * 1
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Ive got some news for you bud..

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Heinrik said:
I've seen people who have wine, vodka, beer, whiskey in their house, but they barely ever touch them.

How is this possible? Do they feel less euphoria from it?

I could never have alcohol in my house, I can't stop until it's gone

It doesn't matter how hard i try, if I have it in my house it's like an itch I keep thinking about it all day until I give in.


They have self control and you are a compulsive drinker. Having a liquor cabinet that you can offer your friends a drink from is a sign you are an adult now. 

I can hold on to any substance for a rainy day, I have had a gram of MDMA for like 7 years.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: I_was_the_walrus] * 5
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most ppl dont get addicted to alcohol cuz drinking all the time is poisonous.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
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I've never been into alcohol. I don't really enjoy the feeling of being drunk... so booze sits around my house forever.  Not sure if it's a coincidence, but my father was  huge alcoholic & I saw first hand what the addiction did to him.

Chronic when it comes to the cannabis though.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 7
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You guys clearly don't understand how addiction works.

When you're an addict, you're not in control, your subconscious is in control and it is more powerful than anything you can imagine, it's like a powerful primitive beast you have to tame, logic and reason won't do a thing in helping you.

It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, intelligent or stupid, anyone can be affected by it.

This is a psychedelic community, you guys should know better, apperently psychedelics didn't teach you about compassion and empathy.

Edited by Heinrik (04/15/19 07:23 PM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik] * 2
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genetics + environment

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik] * 1
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Heinrik said:
You guys clearly don't understand how addiction works.

When you're an addict, you're not in control, your subconscious is in control and it is more powerful than anything you can imagine, it's like a powerful primitive beast you have to tame, logic and reason won't do a thing in helping you.

It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, intelligent or stupid, anyone can be affected by it.



I think this is a really good observation. People that have never had a true addiction can't relate. It's something so foreign to them. I wouldn't expect them to understand.

And I also believe it's unfortunately sculpted into one's DNA. It's hereditary.
Of course there are many people who carry a gene that makes them more susceptible to addiction, yet never succumb to it.
That's because they never had the initial will to drink or do any drugs heavily.

But for us of those that do, we're fucked. And yet, addicts/ex-addicts are the people I enjoy being around most. It's who I can relate to most in their concepts of thinking and ways of looking at the world.
It's something pretty profound I think.

Nowadays having been clean for a long fucking time, this still all holds very true to me.


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the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: kr0nik0]
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I can see people having several bottles of alcohol around as decorations, only serving when guests are around. Want to drink one of your decorations? Just buy another bottle.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Heinrik said:
You guys clearly don't understand how addiction works.

When you're an addict, you're not in control, your subconscious is in control and it is more powerful than anything you can imagine, it's like a powerful primitive beast you have to tame, logic and reason won't do a thing in helping you.

It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, intelligent or stupid, anyone can be affected by it.

This is a psychedelic community, you guys should know better, apperently psychedelics didn't teach you about compassion and empathy.


Didn't really see where people weren't empathetic,you asked and some people answered truthfully. I'm like you. If there's alcohol in the house,I'm probably going to drink most of it and finish it the next night. Some people have addictive personalities, some don't.

People are able to not drink because they dont feel the need to drink.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Bondobih] * 1
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OP I don't know where you get the idea that most people don't have a problem with alcohol. At minimum 10% of the global population is alcoholic. That is a statistical number that comes from Alcoholics Anonymous. There are a lot of people who are not alcoholics but are heavy-hitters and border on alcoholism so that 10% could be a lot higher. Some people say it's a progressive disease so I guess it might depend on where a persons at within that progression.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: StoneJackBaller] * 1
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As true as that is as far as the statistics, alcoholism as defined by AA and similar drug/alcohol programs by a lot broader margin than most people see it.

For example, they categorize people who binge drink as alcoholics. And that's the majority of that 10% minimum you referred to.

Not that it takes away merit from that statistic as binge drinking will without a doubt lead to true dependency and eventual addiction in a lot, but not all. Maybe not even most.

If I binge drink one night, I will want to continue drinking until I can't anymore. Therefore, I'm an alcoholic. And although I have more control over it nowadays after years of not drinking, I'm back to square one in a matter of a few days if I were to slip up.

Most of my friends, when they binge drink, the last thing they want to do is drink again the next day. It doesn't seem to even be a thought in their minds. They are not alcoholics, but are defined by AA as such.


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“[...]the only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: kr0nik0] * 1
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I would definitely categorize myself as an alcoholic, and I can only drink like 1 night a week. I'll have a bottle of liquor sit on my fridge for an entire month before its gone. There are many levels to alcoholism, and as mentioned, many people will fall into one of these levels.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Heinrik said:
I've seen people who have wine, vodka, beer, whiskey in their house, but they barely ever touch them.

How is this possible? Do they feel less euphoria from it?

I could never have alcohol in my house, I can't stop until it's gone

It doesn't matter how hard i try, if I have it in my house it's like an itch I keep thinking about it all day until I give in.


I got some bad news for you Junior.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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lol what are you talking about, its social accepted and definitely one of the most used drugs in the world next to caffeine and tobacco.

Edited by staytrippy420 (04/15/19 10:26 PM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420] * 2
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Drinking alcohol for Euphoria for me is very similar to cocaine both of which I don't care for a whole lot, make me feel like I have ingested poison and the end result it's just not worth it. Six beers is Max for me or I would pay.

Everybody's body chemistry is different - I can be compulsive with pot, other people have other issues sex, gambling, opiates, cigaretts, anger, drama, blah blah blah.  Some might say if you spend a few hours a day on a drug site learning how to make and take drugs you might have a problem. It's all relative OP is tryna be honest, I can't stand the insensitive tone from a few - what's your Vice man?  Care to share?


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: StoneJackBaller]
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I've had lots of vices over the years.. Xanax, codeine, cocaine, alcohol, ect, ect.
But these days just weed, kratom and mushrooms :super:

Im just surprised by the OP. You can buy liquor everywhere in the US, gas stations, grocery stores, LIQUOR stores..
To think that most people don't have an issue with it is crazy to me. Go people watch in front of the clubs on a Friday night, you'll see some crazy shit go down.

Now thats not to say everyone who has a problem is going to be a fuck up.
Theres lots of people addicted to hard drugs that still hold down decent jobs and shit..
IMO alcohol is a hard drug in the same class as crack and heroin.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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maybe effects wise but you aren't going to OD typically


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Konyap]
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alcohol has put me in the hospital more times then all other drugs combined lol
Im just speaking from my experience.. didn't mean to offend anyone with my "insensitive tone"


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Heinrik said:
How is this possible? Do they feel less euphoria from it?


there are many reasons, and im pretty sure this is one. i find alcohol to be one of the most lackluster and boring drugs out there. it seems to me that i am not getting the same effects from it that others do. i believe there have been studies on the exact mechanism behind this feature, but yeah, people have different nervous systems


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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It's unfair to compare crack to heroin in any way as far as the damage they do.
Opiates are relatively easy on your body.
crack or coke (doesn't really matter) of course cause stress to your nervous system by speeding it up so much. I find it to be a way harder drug than H, but that may be due to my body chemistry and sensitivity to stims. 

Alcohol I believe to be the worst poison of all potentially addictive drugs, including all the schedule 1's. As far as actual damage to your internal organs, yea, alcohol is the bitch that'll kill you first.

I say all this with the idea that you're not OD'ing on any of these drugs. Just indulging in them for an extended period of time.

I understand what you're trying to point out in your comment, and I agree. But wanted to clear things up a bit. And I don't mean to dismiss what you said about you having your vices. But were they just that? Vices? Or an actual addiction because there is a world of difference if so.

To add to one of your points, the 4 and a half years I was on opiates every single day, I was the most successful I've been in my life to this day as far as work/career is concerned. Even the relationship I was in at the time was amazing (she didn't do anything but smoke weed, and didn't know I was ever on oxy). It was a fake world though.


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“[...]the only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: kr0nik0]
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What I meant was both of them make people ruin there lives, and so does alcohol. thats where that comment came from that they should all be in the same class.
Notice how I said "makes people ruin there lives" its not the drug fault, its peoples actions while they are on said drugs.

Its hard to say, about the addiction.. where is the line drawn between vices and addictions?
I was around lots of drugs for many years and honestly never thought I was going to be able to live a normal life without them.
I've had my runs with most street drugs, expect for crack, heroin and meth and PCP... but I've done lots cocaine, lots of different opiates, and lots of speed (Adderall, Ritalin, speedy Molly, ect.) 

Your right, I've never had an over dose on any drugs besides alcohol.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I'm the person who needs to dust off his opened liqor bottles regularly, and its always the same bottles.

I drink mostly when Divinity asks me to take one medicinally, such as a nightcap after a hectic day.

Alcohol is a spirit and its call is less seductive to me than the call of sobriety.

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Alcohol distillation likely originated in India. During 2000 BCE, people of India used an alcoholic drink called Sura.[3] Alcohol distillation was known to Islamic chemists as early as the eighth century.[4][5]

The Arab chemist, al-Kindi, unambiguously described the distillation of wine in a treatise titled as "The Book of the chemistry of Perfume and Distillations".[6][7][8]

The Persian physician, alchemist, polymath and philosopher Rhazes (854 CE – 925 CE)[9] is credited with the discovery of ethanol.[10][11]



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Edited by Asante (04/16/19 12:36 AM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: kr0nik0]
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cannabinated said:
genetics + environment


kr0nik0 said:
If I binge drink one night, I will want to continue drinking until I can't anymore. Therefore, I'm an alcoholic. And although I have more control over it nowadays after years of not drinking, I'm back to square one in a matter of a few days if I were to slip up.

Most of my friends, when they binge drink, the last thing they want to do is drink again the next day. It doesn't seem to even be a thought in their minds. They are not alcoholics, but are defined by AA as such.


the proverbial hollow leg and the will to continue drinking outside of social settings is generally enough to get people into an insidious habit without realizing it is a problem until it serious.

you know you are past the fun and games part when you are drinking to nurse hangovers or enjoy heavy extended binges.

my favorite drunk feeling was the second day of drinking for sure, just wake up half in the bottle and just going with it. happy those days are behind me, better to view it with a nostalgic lens rather than suffering through all that again.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik] * 2
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For me, the hangover is enough to keep from being addicted. Coming down off alcohol sucks and making a choice between drinking more or calling it quits is a pretty easy desicion.

I am sort of a binge drinker with beer since the come down is a lot smoother, but still, that shitty feeling when u run out of alcohol is not good.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Asante said:
Quote:
the concentration is just so low that its irrelevant.



The toxicity and carcinogenicity of acetaldehyde in those who drink alcohol is relevant.

I'm not out to give alcohol a bad name, I'm looking at it from the side of chemistry.  Every sip of alcohol you drink produces acetaldehyde. Acetaldehyde is a reactive aldehyde that messess with all sorts of functiuonal groups, and because of that disrupts all sorts of organic tissues. It is an irritant substance that can alkylate, crosslink and form ethers, thioethers, amines and amides and radicals.

Every sip of alcohol you take puts acetaldehyde in your entire system that does tissue damage from your skin to your blood to your bone marrow.  Most tissues in the human body are highgly regenerative, but others arent.  "Every glass kills brain cells" is very true.

Alcohol puts strain on all your tissues and some don't or barely regenerate, leading to cumulative damage caused by every drop of alcohol drank over a lifetime.

It doesnt do that because of its barbiturate like effect (GABA A Agonist) and it doesnt do that because of its Nitrous oxide like effect (NMDA Antagonism)  it does so because it is broken down to a toxic, carcinogenic metabolite by the liver, which too is damaged in the process.

We all get carcinogens in our everyday activities, but people who drink regularly are running GALLONS of toxic carcinogenic acetaldehyde through their system every year. Not milligrams of carcinogens, GALLONS.



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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Asante] * 1
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One of the strongest predictors of alcoholism is a person's natural tolerance to alcohol. Sometimes I feel like getting a buzz on and have like 4 beers max, but the next day I end up feeling like shit. Because of that I associate alcohol with the bad feelings and sickness the next day. Hard liquor? That sounds terrible to me. Now weed I can just smoke as much as I want and I'll maybe feel a little groggy the next morning but it doesn't bother me.

People who can drink a lot do drink a lot.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: searching] * 1
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searching said:
One of the strongest predictors of alcoholism is a person's natural tolerance to alcohol.



True this. Half my family has alcohol issues.

My brother has an alcohol issue.

I am spared only because of my revulsion.


If you have blood relatives with alcohol issues, if you are honest about it, you are at increased risk. Dried tofu grating vegans with straight edge families are at decreased risk.


Genetics play a part and remembers that many addiction issue professionals consider alcoholism "the most tragic of drug addictions" because the body and mind are destroyed simultaneously and so many are directly affected.


All compassion for the afflicted but please, if you have a choice, CHOOSE LIFE.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Heinrik said:
You guys clearly don't understand how addiction works.

When you're an addict, you're not in control, your subconscious is in control and it is more powerful than anything you can imagine, it's like a powerful primitive beast you have to tame, logic and reason won't do a thing in helping you.

It doesn't matter if you're rich or poor, intelligent or stupid, anyone can be affected by it.

This is a psychedelic community, you guys should know better, apperently psychedelics didn't teach you about compassion and empathy.


Right,  that's the shit you tell the judge and probation officer, but honestly, I was in full control of my actions the whole time

I was a junky for say 7 8 years, one Saturday working on a house I said to myself "I'm callin a sub Dr after work"

And I did, and it was a fork in the road for me

Lifes not close to perfect, but "I made it through" so far, must be four years and change

I might've grown out of it, I'm not sure exactly

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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staytrippy420 said:
I've had lots of vices over the years.. Xanax, codeine, cocaine, alcohol, ect, ect.
But these days just weed, kratom and mushrooms :super:

Im just surprised by the OP. You can buy liquor everywhere in the US, gas stations, grocery stores, LIQUOR stores..
To think that most people don't have an issue with it is crazy to me. Go people watch in front of the clubs on a Friday night, you'll see some crazy shit go down.

Now thats not to say everyone who has a problem is going to be a fuck up.
Theres lots of people addicted to hard drugs that still hold down decent jobs and shit..
IMO alcohol is a hard drug in the same class as crack and heroin.


I just don't understand how these same people who binge drink and love drinking, have alcohol in their houses without abusing it.

I'm not a full blown alcoholic, I can go several days without drinking, I just can't buy alcohol in bulk.

If i buy just three beers I can stop and not buy more, the same doesn't happen if I buy a lot.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I have the same with cannabis. I have an entire collection of substances that I just have sitting in a box. hardly ever touch it.

Got a gram of bubble in the house and I have no piece of mind until its gone :shrug:

Thats addiction


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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Why do most people get hooked on caffeine?  Because they are idiot American worker robots.  Like Bill Maher said, it is the perfect drug for the worker.  Get shit done for the master.  A smaller dose of meth.:shrug:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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because i have work in the morning. caffeine, marijauana and nicotine may not make me feel good in the morning but they dont make me feel quite so horrible.

and also alcohol is pretty much only fun when I am with people. once everyone leaves i just feel uncomfortable and all the fun is over.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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I don't get much euphoria from it after the initial 'up' feeling.
Weed is infinitely preferable to me. Just different wants.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Alcohol fucking hurts man.. I mean I'll throw them back from time to time but even while drinking my body is asking me to stop. Nevermind the mornings after.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Science can't truthfully claim any drug "causes addiction" any more than casinos cause gambling addiction. Notice that most people who ingest opioids don't fall in love and become "hooked".

"Addiction" is often defined as a progressive lifetime illness that can never be defeated and requires special treatment and programs, but so many people have defeated their drunken habits, should we abandon the assumption being a drunkard is a lifetime disease? 

We're now taught by "experts" being a drunkard is not a personal decision (nor a moral failing), so the vodka floodgates are open, and until we deal with drinking and drugging and other behaviors as choices, we're screwed.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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For me the effects of alcohol are not that enjoyable. The euphoria lasts 30 min followed by exessive tiredness exhaustion. I never have the urge to keep drinking or to grab a drink at any random time. My alcohol sits around undrunk forever


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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Barnaby said:
Why do most people get hooked on caffeine?  Because they are idiot American worker robots.  Like Bill Maher said, it is the perfect drug for the worker.  Get shit done for the master.  A smaller dose of meth.:shrug:


Not for me. I drink coffee even on the weekends and holidays because it makes my mind nice and sharp, plus I get headaches if I skip coffee


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: trees]
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I want to quit drinking so bad. I wish ganja fucked me up like booze. Don't get me wrong I love ganja but it doesn't give me that alchohol kick that I need. Ganja even in gratuitous dosages is still way too close to "baseline" for me


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I like marijuana better than alcohol, the only reason why I still drink is because I would have to grow it. I hate the government how can they make illegal such wonderful plant and this nasty drug is still legal.


That's so true, alcohol euphoria only lasts 30 minutes followed by tiredness and sadness.

Maybe that's why it's so addictive, it's very short acting, you never feel satisfied.

Edited by Heinrik (04/16/19 04:17 PM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Heinrik said:
I've seen people who have wine, vodka, beer, whiskey in their house, but they barely ever touch them.

How is this possible? Do they feel less euphoria from it?

I could never have alcohol in my house, I can't stop until it's gone

It doesn't matter how hard i try, if I have it in my house it's like an itch I keep thinking about it all day until I give in.






Just because I have something "euphoric" on hand/in my house doesn't mean I feel compelled to consume it :shrug: .


I've had alcohol/beers sitting around in my room for months, I normally only drink when hanging with friends, at festivals, or while camping, so I haven't had any desire to sit around and drink just because I have it available.....I've had a box of nitrous oxide sitting under my bed since new years and haven't touched it, I only dabbled with nitrous oxide when I take psychedelics or MDMA, so I haven't had any desire to touch it.....I've had packs of cigarettes sitting on my dresser for months with out being touched, I only smoke when hanging out with friends, at festivals, or while camping, so I haven't had any desire to smoke them....I've had several kilos of kratom sitting in my room for years now, but I still only take 1g as my dose.




I don't consume drugs just to "feel euphoric" or just because I have them on hand/available...I consume drugs for very specific uses and very specific occasions....I can have drugs sitting around for a long time until that specific use or that specific occasion arises.




About alcohol specifically....Sure being buzzed on alcohol can be a little euphoric, but I feel it's a rather lame and boring/dull drug and I don't ever have any interest in drinking when I'm at home or when I'm not with friends/in a social setting....I might have an occasional beer with dinner, a 6 pack will last weeks for me if I just have em' with dinner sometimes, but drinking to catch a buzz isn't something I do unless I have a reason/occasion to do so. Alcohol isn't interesting enough for me to just drink while I'm not in a social setting.




I honestly never have any cravings or urges for any drugs :shrug: . Sometimes a certain drug might sound nice to do, but it's not any sort of strong craving or urge to do it.






-OM

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: openmind]
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openmind said:
Heinrik said:
I've seen people who have wine, vodka, beer, whiskey in their house, but they barely ever touch them.

How is this possible? Do they feel less euphoria from it?

I could never have alcohol in my house, I can't stop until it's gone

It doesn't matter how hard i try, if I have it in my house it's like an itch I keep thinking about it all day until I give in.






Just because I have something "euphoric" on hand/in my house doesn't mean I feel compelled to consume it :shrug: .


I've had alcohol/beers sitting around in my room for months, I normally only drink when hanging with friends, at festivals, or while camping, so I haven't had any desire to sit around and drink just because I have it available.....I've had a box of nitrous oxide sitting under my bed since new years and haven't touched it, I only dabbled with nitrous oxide when I take psychedelics or MDMA, so I haven't had any desire to touch it.....I've had packs of cigarettes sitting on my dresser for months with out being touched, I only smoke when hanging out with friends, at festivals, or while camping, so I haven't had any desire to smoke them....I've had several kilos of kratom sitting in my room for years now, but I still only take 1g as my dose.




I don't consume drugs just to "feel euphoric" or just because I have them on hand/available...I consume drugs for very specific uses and very specific occasions....I can have drugs sitting around for a long time until that specific use or that specific occasion arises.




About alcohol specifically....Sure being buzzed on alcohol can be a little euphoric, but I feel it's a rather lame and boring/dull drug and I don't ever have any interest in drinking when I'm at home or when I'm not with friends/in a social setting....I might have an occasional beer with dinner, a 6 pack will last weeks for me if I just have em' with dinner sometimes, but drinking to catch a buzz isn't something I do unless I have a reason/occasion to do so. Alcohol isn't interesting enough for me to just drink while I'm not in a social setting.




I honestly never have any cravings or urges for any drugs :shrug: . Sometimes a certain drug might sound nice to do, but it's not any sort of strong craving or urge to do it.




-OM

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It's very easy not getting hooked when you have a good life, I wonder if you would be able to keep this level of self control if something really bad happened to you, something that makes you feel hopeless and depressed and you have that drug right next to you that can make you feel really happy for a couple hours more happy than you could ever feel naturally.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I get the point about pot should be legal everywhere but holy shit you sound like a girl who had two wine coolers and starts sobbing about the troubles in her life.  A half hour, really? 

I go weeks happily drunk.  People smoke weed where I live.  They don't care, good for them.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby] * 2
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I’m a recovering alcoholic and regular AA member. I don’t think either AA nor science has alcoholism figured out yet. If it’s genetic they haven’t isolated a gene.

This is a simple and maybe overly obvious point but I think if you have a psychological problem (perhaps even too small to be classified as a disorder) if it’s a problem that you don’t like and alcohol successfully masks that problem (perhaps anxiety or depression) you’ll be more prone to drink alcohol in unhealthy quantities.

I frequently make the point that if you’re drinking is problematic you can eliminate that problem simply by not drinking. That doesn’t get you to the root of the cause but it is undeniably that simple (and that hard)


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: TheFakeSunRa] * 2
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I'm an alcoholic and that has been my only substance problem.  It is the least healthy habit I ever took up.  I can fight the desire to drink if I have a fridge full of beer or liquor if I really want, but that is rarely what I want and it's a challenge.  I don't have much advice beyond to avoid drinking all day every day for any length of time if you recognize you have a problem with it, really hard to get back to healthier habits once you do.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: MorphinTime]
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Addiction is a weird thing. Some people cant stop smoking weed or smoking cigs or shooting heroin. Others are hooked on alcohol and love to drink everyday. Ive been addicted to nitrous before. Theres an addiction out there for all of us, and its up to us to either avoid it or learn self-control.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
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Alcohol disinhibition makes you say fuck it and drink more. Basically liquid xanax

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Gorlax]
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Give enough ethenol to nuns and shit's gunna happin.  Some say alcohol be cunning baffeling and powerful.  I believe that.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Ive been addicted to nitrous before.


If you used to be addicted to nitrous, can you explain how the addiction ended.

Did you at one point believe you were powerless?

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik] * 1
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Heinrik said:
openmind said:
..........I honestly never have any cravings or urges for any drugs :shrug: . Sometimes a certain drug might sound nice to do, but it's not any sort of strong craving or urge to do it.




-OM

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It's very easy not getting hooked when you have a good life, I wonder if you would be able to keep this level of self control if something really bad happened to you, something that makes you feel hopeless and depressed and you have that drug right next to you that can make you feel really happy for a couple hours more happy than you could ever feel naturally.





I don't really have "the good life"...I mean relatively speaking, sure, I have a roof over my head and clean water to drink and food in my stomach which a lot of folks in this world do not. So I have a "good life" compared to a lot of folks on this planet considering I have shelter, food, and clean water to drink.....

....but I really don't have much and my life has been incredibly hectic/stressful and depressing with a lot of anxiety over the past 2 years (and in general my life hasn't been glorious)...I have been going through one of the lowest and most difficult patches in my 33 years of life over the past couple years (long story).

I still do not have any issue with "self control" :shrug: .



Just because I'm feeling super depressed and hopeless and anxious and lonely, which I certainly have been over the past two years pretty much every single day, more so than any other point in my life so far......just because I'm feeling that way and because I have drugs on hand does not make me want to take those drugs so I can artificially feel "happy" for a few hours.

I'm even less interested in taking drugs when I'm feeling down/depressed & stressed out because if I start to feel "high" and "good" it's nothing but an artificial feeling and not genuine...and then after a few hours I'm back to "reality". It does not fix anything and doesn't make the "feels" go away.

I like to take drugs to enhance & celebrate things/occasions...not to drown out or artificially cover up my sorrow & lowly feelings.




With that said...I do smoke small amounts of herb in the evening/night and take about 2 grams of kratom a day...But both of those I'm using for medicinal reasons and not just to purely catch a buzz/get high on, I take the same amounts at the same time every day and do not increase my dosage to try to catch a high/euphoric feels. I've been taking the same amount of cannabis and kratom for many many years now, I take what works for me and I leave it at that.

And this isn't to say I don't ever "party", or that I don't ever get really loaded or never get super spun lol....because I do lol, but it's for specific/special occasions and not because I'm feeling depressed/stressed/anxious.






-OM


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: openmind]
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I drink until its gone or I wake up in a pile of regret... and vomit

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
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i only like beer for the hops

alcohol is dumb

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: cannabinated]
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Yeah, well, M's are dumb, and marijuana is dumb,  and mushrooms are dumb.  Yeah, what else is dumb in your world?  :wonka:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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I wanna make a challenge, stay 24 hours without eating then drink two or three beers

That's what alcoholics feel when they drink alcohol

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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ive gone 72 hours without food then drank, I dont really notice any difference then waiting just a few hours


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And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: gopher]
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You got boron based super powers we cant even fathom.
Just the thought makes me sick. Need that food to make it easier


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Because highs are subjective. That’s all it comes down to.

Booze does very little for me euphoria wise. I never understand how millionaires wreck their lives win it because if I was a millionaire, I’d definitely be doing other drugs besides booze lol.

Just as some people don’t like fish, some people just don’t like booze.


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Nigga, why you babysittin’ only two or three tabs?
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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: KetamineAndHoes]
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my dog only eats white fish for some reason, she turned her nose up on some salmon


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I went a week without eating.  My record.  Just water, it really isn't hard.  Seriously.  Go hiking and camping where one finds water and it like finding gold.  Life is strange, the limits one sets on oneself on what one can go through or choose to. 

Your limits are your own besides the obvious ones.  Such as gravity.  Happens to many at the Grand Canyon, lol.  Somethings you can't debate with.  This Summer is going to be enjoyable.  Everything on the news is fear.  Just know what you are doing in life.  Wisdom before a Sasquatch takes me.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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And yeah the shroomery and fakesunra is using my computer, blah, whatever.  Take a joke man.  Everyone in this world isn't mean spirited.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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Yeah theres no way I could just have bottles of alcohol in my house. I would be drinking that shit right away and wouldnt end the bender until it was gone.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: stzacrack] * 1
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stzacrack said:
I was a junky for say 7 8 years, one Saturday working on a house I said to myself "I'm callin a sub Dr after work"



On a Saturday?

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: MoonFarmer]
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Everyone has personality predispositions that make them susceptible to different things. I have taken mdma a handful of times and the second I take the first dose I am in addict mode and want to keep going till I kill 4 doses easily. Sometimes I want to double drop

if I take a psychedelic a gigantic green light goes off in my head and all the rules for myself go out the window. "How fucked up can I get right now?". I go from not interested in alcohol to only wanting to drink more and more or start texting friends for mandy and ket

Its different strokes different folks

everyone has their own trigger. When I was a kid I would literally blow $20 on candy and eat it in one sitting. Couldn't have any on hand without binging. Nowadays its different. Candy doesn't interest me

Different things affect different people differently at different phases in life for different reasons. If I wasn't social that week or month, I wouldn't have a single sip of alc

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: topdog82] * 1
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I'm a functional alcoholic. I still need to hit up a meeting or something but I keep making lame ass excuses.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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In my experience if you are functional about it you outsmart yourself and keep making lame excuses. Its only if you are in pain and frustrated that you start making changes

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: topdog82]
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Yeah but really though all it's gonna take is one stupid DUU or wrong move and I'd be fucked. Plus there's just bunch of other issues. If I start drinking I want cocaine etc etc


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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I was a functional alcoholic for a good while. I hope you manage to find a way to kick it soon man. That was a gnarly period of my life that ended up with me nearly killing myself a bunch of times through reckless behaviour.

Moving put a stop to it for me.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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Ugh yeah dude my life has been a whirlwind since I started drinking more heavily. Can't say it isn't fun at times but it's definitely starting to wear on me emotionally


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I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful.
I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner.
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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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I feel ya. I remember thinking what it must've been doing to my liver too. Got to the point I could down a pint of Vodka and still remain functional.

That can't be good for you.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Alcohol I can take or leave more than weed, although there are a lot of alcoholics on both side of my family. I'll drink it if I have it around, but I'll go weeks or months without it and not really miss it too much. And I only really drink to excess a handful of times a year when partying with people I don't see often. With weed I have a lot less self control. Haven't gone more than a couple days without smoking it since legalization. It used to be more of a hassle to buy it for me.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 2
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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
Ugh yeah dude my life has been a whirlwind since I started drinking more heavily. Can't say it isn't fun at times but it's definitely starting to wear on me emotionally


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22559523

It’s a myth that you have to hit rock bottom. You can take action and fix the problem before you bottom out. In a sense, every recovering alcoholic does this because the only real rock bottom is death.

I’ll tell you one thing about alcoholic drinking: Wherever you’re at, it gets worse.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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I'm kinda glad alcohol gives me zero euphoria, doesn't stop me drinking 18 beers before I go waste my paycheck at the pub every weekend though. I rarely drink more than once a week but when I do I binge, according to my doctor I'm an alcoholic.

Come to think about it I can't remember a week where I haven't drunk to excess on a Wednesday or Saturday for a few years. I usually wake up full of regret and waste the following day, maybe I do have a problem

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said:
I’ll tell you one thing about alcoholic drinking: Wherever you’re at, it gets worse.


You hit the nail on the head dude. Alcohol will take everything you've got and then come back for more.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik] * 1
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Heinrik said:
You guys clearly don't understand how addiction works.

When you're an addict, you're not in control



YES, you are in control.  get out of here with that nonsense.  saying someone is not in control is just more enabling babble.



Quote:
your subconscious is in control


the subconscious is always there, it's up to the individual to exercise their mind and be aware of their thoughts and actions.  the brain can be wired and rewired over and again. 

addiction comes down to what someone TRULY wants/desires for themselves.  if they would rather get high/drunk than not, then that is the course of action.  what someone says does not matter, it's their actions that matter.


/end of story

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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We have so much alcohol in our house, it astonishes nearly everyone who comes over. You would die via cirrhosis of the liver before you could make a dent in it. I poured out a few gallons of various hard alcohols not too long ago.

My body only allows for 2-3 drinks a day at this point. Think the liver wants more of a marathon than a sprint. Don’t kill your organs just because booze is in front of you, it is so easy to get, make, etc... don’t feel like you need to drink it all in one sitting. Settle down lol.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
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topdog82 said:
Everyone has personality predispositions that make them susceptible to different things. I have taken mdma a handful of times and the second I take the first dose I am in addict mode and want to keep going till I kill 4 doses easily. Sometimes I want to double drop

if I take a psychedelic a gigantic green light goes off in my head and all the rules for myself go out the window. "How fucked up can I get right now?". I go from not interested in alcohol to only wanting to drink more and more or start texting friends for mandy and ket

Its different strokes different folks

everyone has their own trigger.....




I find it interesting that psychedelics make you want to get as fucked up as possible...

...When I'm flying high on LSD or mushrooms or mescaline I feel the epitome content and most certainly not interested in anything else or trying to get as high/fucked up as possible. Besides maybe a joint or a big balloon of nitrous oxide lol. Psychedelics are the ultimate "high" for me and I have no interest in anything else while I'm soaring.



And about "everyone has their own trigger"....I honestly feel that I do not have any sort of "trigger" or lack of self control when it comes to any drug :shrug: , at all.








Tulipslave said:
Heinrik said:
You guys clearly don't understand how addiction works.

When you're an addict, you're not in control



YES, you are in control.  get out of here with that nonsense.  saying someone is not in control is just more enabling babble.



Quote:
your subconscious is in control


the subconscious is always there, it's up to the individual to exercise their mind and be aware of their thoughts and actions.  the brain can be wired and rewired over and again. 

addiction comes down to what someone TRULY wants/desires for themselves.  if they would rather get high/drunk than not, then that is the course of action.  what someone says does not matter, it's their actions that matter.


/end of story




I totally concur :yesnod: . I too feel stuff that like that is purely enabling babble.

Everything is in the person's control...it's entirely the person's choices and decisions at play...Addiction is the result of a person's choices, simple as that. These things aren't jumping down a person's throat on their own, the person has to make the choice to consume it or not.







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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: openmind]
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i drink a can a day :confused:


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Oceanshoree]
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It is in your controlled, but temptation is real, and people that don't think you just break after so much temptation are acting like hipumans are supposed to be what we aren't.

If someone pokes me every day, you bet one day I'll take that finger.
This person has a prosthetic finger. I'm not evil. This hypothetical person is a show off. You should hate them too.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said:
It is in your controlled, but temptation is real, and people that don't think you just break after so much temptation are acting like hipumans are supposed to be what we aren't.





nah, i get it.  i'm an addict.  but i don't use that as an excuse for myself or for others.  i know i have an opiate problem and that i can't live a productive, healthy, ultimately-satisfying lifestyle if i choose to use. 

i smoke cannabis like a chimney from the moment i wake up till i go to bed, but i can also quit anytime (i'm on "vacation" now, far away from my home, and haven't smoked in near two weeks; each summer i'm where i am now and won't smoke cannabis for 8-14 weeks until i return home)


i have a couple shots of whiskey most nites after work (physical labor), but not always, and i don't have to.  it's a choice.  the bottle can sit for weeks untouched, or i can kill a bottle in 2-3 weeks.


the running theme here is that it is a voluntary choice i make, and i recognize that.  just like NOT using opiates is a choice i made long ago when i realized i had a problem.  i can smoke and drink and maintain a remotely healthy lifestyle.  solid sleep, solid diet.  if my drinking ever interfered with my ability to function, i'd stop.


i much prefer running a chainsaw stoned, but it's not an essential and i can and do work somedays without smoking, even if i have two joints rolled for the day and the bowl/bud in my day-pack next to my wedges and tools.



CHOICES AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
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So glad I hate alcohol. I don't drink enough water as is and when I do force myself to drink with my friends I usually will drink and hang about for hours. I end up everytime with a horrid headache or stomachache. I guess kratom is my alcohol. It definitely helps me become more social and willing to put up with others bullshit.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: StillSong]
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StillSong said:
So glad I hate alcohol. I don't drink enough water as is and when I do force myself to drink with my friends I usually will drink and hang about for hours. I end up everytime with a horrid headache or stomachache. I guess kratom is my alcohol. It definitely helps me become more social and willing to put up with others bullshit.


:whathesaid: :kratomtee:


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 3
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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
Ugh yeah dude my life has been a whirlwind since I started drinking more heavily. Can't say it isn't fun at times but it's definitely starting to wear on me emotionally



Replace the alcohol with weed and smoke until you get too high to leave your apartment. Or on nice days smoke in public with sunglasses on and get too paranoid to go into stores and then go home and watch documentaries and find new music online. Save the alcohol for Friday or Saturday nights, only drink the one night a week. Eat a solid meal before you drink, and drink water throughout the night in addition to alcohol. You can get shitfaced and stay pretty level. Then wait until next week to drink again. And take Uber or Lyft. And then you don't have to worry about anything.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: John Nada] * 1
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John Nada said:
Malcolm_Xtasy said:
Ugh yeah dude my life has been a whirlwind since I started drinking more heavily. Can't say it isn't fun at times but it's definitely starting to wear on me emotionally



Replace the alcohol with weed and smoke until you get too high to leave your apartment. Or on nice days smoke in public with sunglasses on and get too paranoid to go into stores and then go home and watch documentaries and find new music online. Save the alcohol for Friday or Saturday nights, only drink the one night a week. Eat a solid meal before you drink, and drink water throughout the night in addition to alcohol. You can get shitfaced and stay pretty level. Then wait until next week to drink again. And take Uber or Lyft. And then you don't have to worry about anything.


haha i appreciate the logic but most of my drinking is done by myself at home. Sometimes i'll uber/lyft and venture out, but for the most part being at home makes me wanna drink more. I definitely need more gym time, hikes, time outside with nature and shit.


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I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful.
I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner.
Someday, I hope to be like Enlil but secretly know I never will.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Malcolm_Xtasy said:
I definitely need more gym time, hikes, time outside with nature and shit.


Yeah that type of stuff is crucial for my mental health as well. Heading out for a hike in a bit.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: psi]
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Yeah and living smack in the middle of the city isn't always the greatest thing in the world either. Once i get my car fixed up, I'm gonna head out to some hiking spots and try to do one a a week.


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I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful.
I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner.
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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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There are some pretty dank forests in my area thankfully. I'm in the suburbs but 10 min drive from farmland and some big forested parks.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy] * 1
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I spend lots of time at the beach, with my dog and girl, when I'm not working or playing in the garden.
I'm on the west coast of Canada. Forrest and ocean on both sides of me,
but I still find time to smoke weed and chill on shroomery in the evenings lol


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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We got a nice beach here if the weather ever gets nice.
It's got a lot of quartz in the sand, so it makes noise when you walk on it.
Would be amazing beachesnif we didn't have winter


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
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I simply have no beach. My state is land locked in the USA. I would probably drink at thebeach

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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I see. I only drink socially. I get really bored if I get drunk at home alone.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: John Nada]
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I have a problem.


I quit drinking for a few months and recently started again.
Ive been drinking myself into oblivion every night.

Yesterday, about 4 pm, i downed a pint of vodka in like 5 minutes, drove to the store, and bought a 12 pack of miller ultra :puke:

Drank about 4 on the 5 minute drive home, and the vodka had just started kicking in.

I woke up in my shed outside which is full of fucking spiders with a nasty bite on my arm :eek:

apparently, i drank all of the beers as they were all gone.

also, at some point post blackout, i drove to the store and bought a pack of marlbro lights, and smoked one of them backwards, because there were 2 half smoked cigs on the ground, one lit from the wrong end, no idea where the rest of the pack even went.

I felt brain damaged this morning. Time to quit...

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: xbloodwhipx]
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Don't they make prescription meds for alcoholics? I have no idea the side effect profile of these drugs but I know the side effects of being an alcoholic are pretty bad. Tit for tat.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: StillSong]
    #25963504 -

I just stick with a beer or two and I'll roll up some blunts to smoke with people


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: watermelon mon] * 3
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Honestly I'm more surprised how many people DO get hooked on alcohol, shit there are so many drugs out there that are better that don't leave you feeling like someone smashed your brain with a hammer the next day if you drank too much. Nothing wrong with a little buzz of course.

But then I remember it's everywhere and you can buy it at just about any store and it's legal and pretty much the only intoxicant that's publicly endorsed.

If I want to kick back and relax I'd rather have some kratom tea and some weed than drink :shrug:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: xbloodwhipx] * 2
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xbloodwhipx said:
I have a problem.


I quit drinking for a few months and recently started again.
Ive been drinking myself into oblivion every night.

Yesterday, about 4 pm, i downed a pint of vodka in like 5 minutes, drove to the store, and bought a 12 pack of miller ultra :puke:

Drank about 4 on the 5 minute drive home, and the vodka had just started kicking in.

I woke up in my shed outside which is full of fucking spiders with a nasty bite on my arm :eek:

apparently, i drank all of the beers as they were all gone.

also, at some point post blackout, i drove to the store and bought a pack of marlbro lights, and smoked one of them backwards, because there were 2 half smoked cigs on the ground, one lit from the wrong end, no idea where the rest of the pack even went.

I felt brain damaged this morning. Time to quit...


Dude, that shit isn't sustainable, one way or another itll bite you in the ass.

I've got another 4 months (of 18) until I can get my license back and the time I got caught was by no means the first time I did it.

What I always found was whenever i stopped and started up again was my binging would be like 5 times worse than it was before. Like i had missed out on 3 or 4 weeks of drinking and had some catching up to do.

Quite often I'd buy my drink, come home and fire it in to me and when I woke up thered be an extra two empty bottles of wine or something that I didn't originally buy. So at some point I'd decided to go back to the shop and get more but have absolutely no recollection of it. I wouldn't know if I drove or walked (most likely drove though) or what the fuck happened going there or coming back.

After that  to ensure I had enough for the evening I was just getting a 70cl of vodka, that would pretty much last me till I woke up and what ever was left I'd finish off in the morning.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Bumholio]
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The truth is..most people who drink are in denial and they dont know they have a problem. They just keep drinking to keep from feeling like cral but dont think theyre addicted because they are not black out drinking.

I challenged so many old friends to stop drinking for 2 weeks and they all said they could..but they refuse to try it because they are convinced they are not addicted.

Alcoholism causes more denial than anything


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Bumholio] * 1
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Bumholio said:
xbloodwhipx said:
I have a problem.


I quit drinking for a few months and recently started again.
Ive been drinking myself into oblivion every night.

Yesterday, about 4 pm, i downed a pint of vodka in like 5 minutes, drove to the store, and bought a 12 pack of miller ultra :puke:

Drank about 4 on the 5 minute drive home, and the vodka had just started kicking in.

I woke up in my shed outside which is full of fucking spiders with a nasty bite on my arm :eek:

apparently, i drank all of the beers as they were all gone.

also, at some point post blackout, i drove to the store and bought a pack of marlbro lights, and smoked one of them backwards, because there were 2 half smoked cigs on the ground, one lit from the wrong end, no idea where the rest of the pack even went.

I felt brain damaged this morning. Time to quit...


Dude, that shit isn't sustainable, one way or another itll bite you in the ass.

I've got another 4 months (of 18) until I can get my license back and the time I got caught was by no means the first time I did it.

What I always found was whenever i stopped and started up again was my binging would be like 5 times worse than it was before. Like i had missed out on 3 or 4 weeks of drinking and had some catching up to do.

Quite often I'd buy my drink, come home and fire it in to me and when I woke up thered be an extra two empty bottles of wine or something that I didn't originally buy. So at some point I'd decided to go back to the shop and get more but have absolutely no recollection of it. I wouldn't know if I drove or walked (most likely drove though) or what the fuck happened going there or coming back.

After that  to ensure I had enough for the evening I was just getting a 70cl of vodka, that would pretty much last me till I woke up and what ever was left I'd finish off in the morning.


So many members of this community have been advising bloodwhip for so long now that his drinking was getting out of hand.
Sometimes he would say he was joking about it.
Sometimes he would say some fucked up shit.

Still have no idea what to believe including if any of his post is true here.

But if it is, I truly hope that he gets some help. Kid is only like 19 I think.


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the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: kr0nik0]
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Quiting is hard. You can get booze at any gas station but if you want better drugs you need a connection. The few connects I have can only get ganja :frown:


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: kr0nik0]
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kr0nik0 said:
Bumholio said:
xbloodwhipx said:
I have a problem.


I quit drinking for a few months and recently started again.
Ive been drinking myself into oblivion every night.

Yesterday, about 4 pm, i downed a pint of vodka in like 5 minutes, drove to the store, and bought a 12 pack of miller ultra :puke:

Drank about 4 on the 5 minute drive home, and the vodka had just started kicking in.

I woke up in my shed outside which is full of fucking spiders with a nasty bite on my arm :eek:

apparently, i drank all of the beers as they were all gone.

also, at some point post blackout, i drove to the store and bought a pack of marlbro lights, and smoked one of them backwards, because there were 2 half smoked cigs on the ground, one lit from the wrong end, no idea where the rest of the pack even went.

I felt brain damaged this morning. Time to quit...


Dude, that shit isn't sustainable, one way or another itll bite you in the ass.

I've got another 4 months (of 18) until I can get my license back and the time I got caught was by no means the first time I did it.

What I always found was whenever i stopped and started up again was my binging would be like 5 times worse than it was before. Like i had missed out on 3 or 4 weeks of drinking and had some catching up to do.

Quite often I'd buy my drink, come home and fire it in to me and when I woke up thered be an extra two empty bottles of wine or something that I didn't originally buy. So at some point I'd decided to go back to the shop and get more but have absolutely no recollection of it. I wouldn't know if I drove or walked (most likely drove though) or what the fuck happened going there or coming back.

After that  to ensure I had enough for the evening I was just getting a 70cl of vodka, that would pretty much last me till I woke up and what ever was left I'd finish off in the morning.


So many members of this community have been advising bloodwhip for so long now that his drinking was getting out of hand.
Sometimes he would say he was joking about it.
Sometimes he would say some fucked up shit.

Still have no idea what to believe including if any of his post is true here.

But if it is, I truly hope that he gets some help. Kid is only like 19 I think.


Yeah at this point he's the boy that cried wolf. Cant really take any of his posts seriously. I remember pretty vividly when he first started posted about drinking and knew it was gonna end this way. Pretty sure he was just getting wasted on college campuses and walking around with water bottles full of vodka


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I'm ugly, Enlil is beautiful.
I'm a loser, Enlil is a winner.
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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
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Tulipslave said:
Heinrik said:
You guys clearly don't understand how addiction works.

When you're an addict, you're not in control



YES, you are in control.  get out of here with that nonsense.  saying someone is not in control is just more enabling babble.



Quote:
your subconscious is in control


the subconscious is always there, it's up to the individual to exercise their mind and be aware of their thoughts and actions.  the brain can be wired and rewired over and again. 

addiction comes down to what someone TRULY wants/desires for themselves.  if they would rather get high/drunk than not, then that is the course of action.  what someone says does not matter, it's their actions that matter.


/end of story



Think about leaving someone you really love, you can never see her again, like your mother for example, you can not see her in 1 year 10 years or 50 years, she's gone forever.

That's how hard it is to quit a drug you're very addicted to. I'm not saying it is impossible it's just extremely difficult, most heavy addicts need external help like psychological therapy and support.

Of course different people have different levels of addiction. The level of how addicted someone is to something depends on how bad  his life is without it.
Even if you have a good life, the more you use it the more your mood and health deteriorates, the more it deteriorates, the more hooked you become.

It has been your friend helping you emotionally through tough times, allowing you to appreciate life more and making things more fun, now you have to leave it and never look back.
This kind of psychological reward creates an intense bond between the user and the drug.


Some people might be able to quit it on their own, but it's necessary intense psychological work or maybe a very traumatic ayahuasca trip.

Edited by Heinrik (05/01/19 11:38 AM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Try heroin.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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Barnaby said:
Try heroin.



Better not, I can't miss what I never had.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Yeah.  I did for a bit.  Now even long benders on hard liquor after last month, no.  Shit to do, it is warming up outside.  I hate anything I feel I have to have.  And that seems the worst and a bathtub full of ice and under my balls to wake me up long ago, I gave it up. 

Not like I have needle marks and shit.  I just thought, I like my alcohol.  Well they say it is a slow death.  People think what they think, most is shit and they can't see what is right in front of them in society and health.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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Does one ever get to the point where one doesn't believe in coincidences anymore.  Esoterics, such a variety!  Any one actually learns things and has fun most times.  I am ok with that.

Love beer though, I do prepare for a deep experience though as I can give it up and do at times.  Get more out of it.  Tried to talk to my brother and his girlfriend on lsd when they were both drunk and it was like trying to break through a concrete barrier for them to have any understanding of my ideas and esoteric state.

Esoteric states aren't bad on alcohol, a different animal though.  Have learned even when shaking and seeing horrid hallucinations on fear that it is just the body projecting it's fears in ones mind and one sees it but is so distorted to reality.  If that makes any sense. 

I have always been fit.  I walk everywhere.  I just find it is easier to process emotions and see what is real and what is fear, false evidence appearing real as the saying goes, more.

Yeah, Time for Summer.:wonka:  Observe without judgement and I am heavily judged but not by people that matter in life.  Took me a long time to realize that.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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I'm on tramadol right now and it feels good

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I am on Klonopin and my beer is running out.  Have to make a beer run.  I hate where I live and the laws.  I feel fucking lazy as hell. 

The people that take pills to not drink have some will power.  I train before thru hikes on 15 miles a day and prepare for it.

I hate the judgement and condemnation of people that do that to me when I am fit, eat well, and my blood pressure is top notch.  Fuck off.  Let people be.  I have seen alcoholics, when I get called called one it just makes me laugh at the ignorance.

Don't want to leave the music at dusk.  Apartments suck for blasting music.  Enjoy life people.  Industrialized country problems.  Where people talk about walking miles each day for water in third world countries.  Yes it is cheap to travel to such places, and some feel proud they did, not my thing fuck off.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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What are you rambling on about? don't drink and drive to the beer store, if your so fit you can walk.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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I didn't know I could.  Thank you for your wonderful insight and wisdom!  I was going to take a bottle of wild turkey and just drive to Vegas on the way but you have brought me to my senses!

Thank you for common sense.  Caption obvious.:wonka:  Driving on LSD is much harder, believe me I know.:shrug::chesire:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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I wouldn't use klonopin if I were you, benzos have the most devasting withdrawals you could ever imagine, it can last months or even years.

You're gonna get the most gory disturbing nightmares, human centipede will look cute compared to it, you won't be able to think straight or talk to people, you will have delusions, you will see demons and shadow people, it's like a 24/7 hell.

The most sneaky thing about klonopin is that you won't know you're phisically dependent and how serious it is until you go 4 days without using it, it has a very long half life.

Edited by Heinrik (05/02/19 07:38 PM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Wow such wisdom to share from a M.  Lol.  Man, older generations have some wisdom believe it or not.  There are some out there in this world of ours.  And I disagree with your opinion.:shrug:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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I can concur benzos were the hardest thing I've ever had to quit. Took me months to figure out that I could live a normal life without Xanax.

Weren't you going to walk to the beer store Barnaby? Well pitter patter lets get atter.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: staytrippy420]
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You said I was going to drive, lol.  Yes I am going to walk when I finish this pint and I took my benzo an hour ago.  I am fit and blood pressure is great.  Blasting this before the noise curfew at 9 my time.  Kind of revs me up.  Damn blue collar tweekers.  Have been known to ride the rails, ever tried that? 

Fuck, the larger picture.  Benzos are so bad and alcohol or whatever you don't like in life.  I have a lot of hard won wisdom.  Doesn't make me better than you, I just don't get caught up in petty shit.

HY Yah, HY Yah, HY Yah, nothing like a good Cleveland Indian drumbeat about savages going to scalp the people.  History is amusing.  Some guy would blast Indian shit selling meth like don't fuck with me and it worked out quite well for him.  Stick to pot.

 

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby] * 1
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He's already having all the symptoms I described about benzo withdrawals, poor man.

Edited by Heinrik (05/03/19 03:10 AM)

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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I like projections of me from strangers and some that have a tangled mind with judgements and assumptions.  You are a fool.:shrug:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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Heinrik said:
Think about leaving someone you really love, you can never see her again, like your mother for example, you can not see her in 1 year 10 years or 50 years, she's gone forever.

That's how hard it is to quit a drug you're very addicted to. I'm not saying it is impossible it's just extremely difficult, most heavy addicts need external help like psychological therapy and support.



I've been heavily addicted to things in my life before, for years on end, more than once. I understand how difficult it is.
The fact is that when you are ready to give up you just do it, there is no internal fight. An ongoing internal fight on whether or not to do it is just a lack of conviction which no amount of counseling will replace.
If you love it like your mother you aren't really ready. This is why AA and NA have such high recidivism rates. Loads of hoo-ha, moping about, telling stories about how they loved it, mulling about their issues rather than just moving on with life. Their end goal being living life as dry drunks or clean addicts, permanent suffering... fuck that.

Most heavy addicts get to the drug free place by themselves eventually, after all the therapy and support groups turn out to be useless and they realise all they have to do is stop doing drugs mentally as well as physically.

If you don't want it, stop wanting it. A fight against yourself is one you cannot win. If you think of it, think how it actually makes you feel. Drinking alcohol tastes good, then what... alone, insecure, angry, frustrated, ashamed, insert your reality. No need or way to fight that. Just move on.


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Heinrik]
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God, Fakesunra is at it again.  Must be the booze lol.




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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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im an alcoholic and my heart is broken because of it


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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Oceanshoree] * 1
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Be a champ and use some discipline and will power.  Don't cower under the idiotic addiction is a disease and I am powerless over it.  I get that with heroin and oxy's but alcohol?  Really is not that hard to quit for awhile but maybe it is for you.  Whatever, doesn't make you less of a human being.  I almost drowned in a gushing river that was gushing late at night that I stumbled into late at night. 

Just go easy on the hard liquor, switch to beer, hydrate and eat everyday healthy food with salt, lots of sea salt and water, is better than Gatorade to rehydrate.  Unasked for advice but one can do it.  It is not like you are shooting up everyday or smoking packs of ciggies.  Addictions suck, take control of it if you choose but don't go into the pity party and poor me type of heavy drinker.

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Bumholio]
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Wow, I got referred to as a retard.  Such maturity.  Goodbye Bumholio.  Stay hungry and keep trolling.  There is so much I could of learned from you.:rolleyes:

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Re: Why most people don't get hooked on alcohol? [Re: Barnaby]
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Whatever


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