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How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama?
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I've been using my landscaper for two years. He was introduced to me by my real estate agent, when I bought the house.

I decided I should move on from him when I started picking up behavior patterns that made me strongly suspect he was a pathological liar.

For example, he would charge me $70 extra for fertilizers and pesticides every month, but I've never seen him apply them, ever, in two years. I also have a nosy, retired neighbor, who's a horticulturalist. All he does is garden all day, and he, too, has never seen the landscaper apply fertilizers/pesticides. If you know anything about this, it's a bitch to do, and it takes a while. I've tried it myself, once, and it took me a solid half hour, and I was soaked in perspiration from covering all the square footage.

Another example, is when he charged me $120 to clean the gutters. A month later, my carpenter comes and goes up on the roof to do some work, and he's like, "You really should get your gutter cleaned." I said, "My landscaper said he cleaned it last month," and the carpenter's like, "I see no evidence of that."

Another time, he charged me for 5 weeks, when there were only 4 weeks during that month. I call him, and he says, "Oh, I also fertilized." But on the receipt, he charged me for five cuts. Yet he changed up the story to suit the final tally.

Also, he doesn't cut the lawn every week. He comes once every three weeks, if that. It's pretty easy to tell when he cuts the lawn, because his equipment leaves track marks throughout the lawn. But he routinely charges me every week.

He also does my snow plowing for the drive way, and sometimes he won't come, and I'll call him, because I'll notice my neighbor's driveway is always looking like it's been plowed, whereas mine is always covered in snow. At first, he used to say, "I came, but there was a car blocking the driveway," until he realized I live alone, and I never have visitors, so there is absolutely zero reason anybody should be parked in my driveway. In my whole time here, nobody has blocked my driveway. This is not Los Angeles. This is Cleveland, Ohio. Nobody's even parked in the streets. So after he realized that excuse didn't make sense, he started switching it up to, "I came really early in the morning, and it kept snowing, so yeah, I'll be coming by again in the afternoon."

This guy can never own up and take accountability. He has a built-in, knee-jerk bullshit reply to everything. And he also acts like he's doing you a solid by going out of his way to fabricate things he didn't do. For example, two weeks ago, when he came to do my Spring clean-up, I spoke with him, and he said, "Oh yeah, yesterday I came by and cleaned out your front gutters, just a couple sticks. But I didn't charge you. I just took care of you. I knocked on your front door, but nobody answered."

I know this story is bullshit, because I was home all day that day, and I would've heard if he knocked or rung my doorbell. Secondly, he's not the type to come to my house on back-to-back days. This has never happened. So for him to swing by just to clean out my gutters for free, makes zero sense. And thirdly, I just got my gutters replaced, because the old ones were so messed up from not being cleaned, and I also purchased gutter guards, so there should be no "sticks" up there. Fourthly, if you know anything about cleaning gutters, it takes forever, because you have to pitch your ladder and get up and down, and pitch your ladder again, repeat, repeat, etc. He would've never done this for free. Hell, he charges $185 an hour. The idea that he examined my entire gutter system, 360 degrees around the perimeter, and he found "sticks" simply on one section, makes no sense. I also have windows upstairs, where I can see my gutters. There are no sticks, anywhere... I told this to my neighbor who has the same gutter guards, and he immediately started shaking his head in disbelief.

Anyway, I have more examples, but to cut to the chase, I finally called him and said I won't be requiring his service anymore. He asked me why, so I said my neighbor referred me to someone else. This was true. My neighbor and this landscaper have had a history of confrontations before, where my neighbor didn't approve of his landscaping methods.

The landscaper got very defensive, and he started criticizing the neighbor. He kept talking about how he services so-and-so, and basically he started name dropping expensive properties that rely on his services. He also kept preaching that he's been doing this for 24 years. And he said that he gets inundated with customers who want to get on his schedule, but he turns them down, because he can't handle the volume. Of course, if this was true, that there was a long line of would-be customers begging for his services, he wouldn't be wasting his time telling me this, and he would move on to the next person on queue.

And I kept having to reiterate that my neighbor would like me to try his way for a while, and I tried to let him off easy by saying, "I may end up calling you in the future if it doesn't work out."

Then the landscaper went off on the neighbor again, and then repeating the same shit he told me just a minute ago, that he's been doing for this 24 years, and he kept saying, "Your neighbor does this for a hobby! I do this for a living! He doesn't know what he's doing!"

Finally after what seemed like an eternity, he says, "I'm gonna swing by one of these days and have a word with your neighbor." I'm hoping he'll reflect on this and forget about it soon after.

Literally 10 minutes later, he's ringing my doorbell. I pretended I wasn't home, but he rang my doorbell for 20 straight minutes. At this point, I'm getting flashbacks of the stalker ex-girlfriend that I've only seen in movies.

Anyway, he finally drives off. A week later, at midnight, I get a text from him, and it says, "I talked to the neighbor next door. Did you find a cheaper price or something? I did the lawn and cleanups and plowing for 2 yrs for u!! This is my 24th yr in business!!"

Edited by cinderblock (04/19/19 03:33 AM)

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: cinderblock] * 1
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:kittylaugh:lmao I'd feel a bit sorry for the dude but sounds like hes a shit landscaper. You've tried to let him go the nice way, if he doesn't get it then be straight with him.


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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: Bumholio]
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Sounds more like a regular crook liar than a pathological liar to me.  Just fire the dude, I don't see the problem.  He's inundated with his other clients' large estates, he won't starve.

Oh.  I see the problem now.  :dumblol:


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Edited by stubb (04/19/19 09:58 PM)

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: cinderblock] * 1
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"gotta let you go, times are tough for me, the wife (kid, parent, grandparent) needs an expensive operation and we can't afford you anymore. Thanks for your many years of service"


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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: cinderblock]
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You're over-thinking this OP. He sucks, its business, just fire him.

And $185/hr for landscaping?  that's incredibly expensive.


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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: cinderblock] * 1
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Good job firing him, now just ghost him.  You might want to give your neighbor a heads up that you kinda threw him under the bus, in case landscaper does go confronting him.  That landscaper sounds like a con man though, and he might be desperate.  Can’t imagine he’s keeping a lot of business with those practices.  Just ignore him, he’ll probably give up soon.

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: Burke Dennings]
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yikes... I think you have handled it well so far. People like this guy you have to be careful with because they will retaliate against you if you criticize them. They absolutely can't take it. Like Burke said above, just ignore him.

I also like Ahab's suggestion .


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Edited by lillFish (04/19/19 09:37 AM)

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: cinderblock]
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Some people can't just do their fucking jobs.


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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: cinderblock]
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cinderblock said:
I've been using my landscaper for two years. He was introduced to me by my real estate agent, when I bought the house.

I decided I should move on from him when I started picking up behavior patterns that made me strongly suspect he was a pathological liar.

For example, he would charge me $70 extra for fertilizers and pesticides every month, but I've never seen him apply them, ever, in two years. I also have a nosy, retired neighbor, who's a horticulturalist. All he does is garden all day, and he, too, has never seen the landscaper apply fertilizers/pesticides. If you know anything about this, it's a bitch to do, and it takes a while. I've tried it myself, once, and it took me a solid half hour, and I was soaked in perspiration from covering all the square footage.

Another example, is when he charged me $120 to clean the gutters. A month later, my carpenter comes and goes up on the roof to do some work, and he's like, "You really should get your gutter cleaned." I said, "My landscaper said he cleaned it last month," and the carpenter's like, "I see no evidence of that."

Another time, he charged me for 5 weeks, when there were only 4 weeks during that month. I call him, and he says, "Oh, I also fertilized." But on the receipt, he charged me for five cuts. Yet he changed up the story to suit the final tally.

Also, he doesn't cut the lawn every week. He comes once every three weeks, if that. It's pretty easy to tell when he cuts the lawn, because his equipment leaves track marks throughout the lawn. But he routinely charges me every week.

He also does my snow plowing for the drive way, and sometimes he won't come, and I'll call him, because I'll notice my neighbor's driveway is always looking like it's been plowed, whereas mine is always covered in snow. At first, he used to say, "I came, but there was a car blocking the driveway," until he realized I live alone, and I never have visitors, so there is absolutely zero reason anybody should be parked in my driveway. In my whole time here, nobody has blocked my driveway. This is not Los Angeles. This is Cleveland, Ohio. Nobody's even parked in the streets. So after he realized that excuse didn't make sense, he started switching it up to, "I came really early in the morning, and it kept snowing, so yeah, I'll be coming by again in the afternoon."

This guy can never own up and take accountability. He has a built-in, knee-jerk bullshit reply to everything. And he also acts like he's doing you a solid by going out of his way to fabricate things he didn't do. For example, two weeks ago, when he came to do my Spring clean-up, I spoke with him, and he said, "Oh yeah, yesterday I came by and cleaned out your front gutters, just a couple sticks. But I didn't charge you. I just took care of you. I knocked on your front door, but nobody answered."

I know this story is bullshit, because I was home all day that day, and I would've heard if he knocked or rung my doorbell. Secondly, he's not the type to come to my house on back-to-back days. This has never happened. So for him to swing by just to clean out my gutters for free, makes zero sense. And thirdly, I just got my gutters replaced, because the old ones were so messed up from not being cleaned, and I also purchased gutter guards, so there should be no "sticks" up there. Fourthly, if you know anything about cleaning gutters, it takes forever, because you have to pitch your ladder and get up and down, and pitch your ladder again, repeat, repeat, etc. He would've never done this for free. Hell, he charges $185 an hour. The idea that he examined my entire gutter system, 360 degrees around the perimeter, and he found "sticks" simply on one section, makes no sense. I also have windows upstairs, where I can see my gutters. There are no sticks, anywhere... I told this to my neighbor who has the same gutter guards, and he immediately started shaking his head in disbelief.

Anyway, I have more examples, but to cut to the chase, I finally called him and said I won't be requiring his service anymore. He asked me why, so I said my neighbor referred me to someone else. This was true. My neighbor and this landscaper have had a history of confrontations before, where my neighbor didn't approve of his landscaping methods.

The landscaper got very defensive, and he started criticizing the neighbor. He kept talking about how he services so-and-so, and basically he started name dropping expensive properties that rely on his services. He also kept preaching that he's been doing this for 24 years. And he said that he gets inundated with customers who want to get on his schedule, but he turns them down, because he can't handle the volume. Of course, if this was true, that there was a long line of would-be customers begging for his services, he wouldn't be wasting his time telling me this, and he would move on to the next person on queue.

And I kept having to reiterate that my neighbor would like me to try his way for a while, and I tried to let him off easy by saying, "I may end up calling you in the future if it doesn't work out."

Then the landscaper went off on the neighbor again, and then repeating the same shit he told me just a minute ago, that he's been doing for this 24 years, and he kept saying, "Your neighbor does this for a hobby! I do this for a living! He doesn't know what he's doing!"

Finally after what seemed like an eternity, he says, "I'm gonna swing by one of these days and have a word with your neighbor." I'm hoping he'll reflect on this and forget about it soon after.

Literally 10 minutes later, he's ringing my doorbell. I pretended I wasn't home, but he rang my doorbell for 20 straight minutes. At this point, I'm getting flashbacks of the stalker ex-girlfriend that I've only seen in movies.

Anyway, he finally drives off. A week later, at midnight, I get a text from him, and it says, "I talked to the neighbor next door. Did you find a cheaper price or something? I did the lawn and cleanups and plowing for 2 yrs for u!! This is my 24th yr in business!!"



Wow lmfao

I'm fuckin dead :rofl:


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ACADEMY AWARD WINNING ACTOR
WG32 KILLED HOFFA
PROFESSIONAL BALL BUFFERER
WORST NEIGHBORHOOD YARD OF 2026 WINNER
OTD’S FORMER PRODIGAL SON
TODAY IS BEER DAY

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This is like the Jim Carrey movie The Cable Guy, except it's The Landscaping Guy



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ACADEMY AWARD WINNING ACTOR
WG32 KILLED HOFFA
PROFESSIONAL BALL BUFFERER
WORST NEIGHBORHOOD YARD OF 2026 WINNER
OTD’S FORMER PRODIGAL SON
TODAY IS BEER DAY

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: Nifflerz] * 2
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OP's landscaping guy right now hiding a few houses down watching OP

:creepylurker:



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WG32 KILLED HOFFA
PROFESSIONAL BALL BUFFERER
WORST NEIGHBORHOOD YARD OF 2026 WINNER
OTD’S FORMER PRODIGAL SON
TODAY IS BEER DAY

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: Nifflerz]
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Ever see Lawnmower Man?

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Burke Dennings said:
Ever see Lawnmower Man?



Yeah when I was little I saw it -- been a loooonnnggg time though.


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ACADEMY AWARD WINNING ACTOR
WG32 KILLED HOFFA
PROFESSIONAL BALL BUFFERER
WORST NEIGHBORHOOD YARD OF 2026 WINNER
OTD’S FORMER PRODIGAL SON
TODAY IS BEER DAY

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: Nifflerz] * 1
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$70 extra for fertilizer every month? $120 charges here and there for gutters. What was your average bill with this guy if it's a monthly payment? Sounds like you were paying a good portion of a livable wage for him. I'd just hire people to do one off jobs once in a while, no need for a full time guy.

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
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Once upon a time in a land far away I was busy so my uncle decided to do me a favor and get my car inspected and he’s such a hell of a guy he threw in an oil change for me.  Cut to 2 or so months later I go to change my oil and it’s still the oil filter I put on.  My uncle didn’t check I guess to see if they swapped filters but he shouldn’t have to.  That combined with getting hair in my hash browns at a denny’s confirmed it, I don’t trust anyone to do anything that I can do on my own.


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Niffla said:
This is like the Jim Carrey movie The Cable Guy, except it's The Landscaping Guy






I was actually thinking about that too :lol:


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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: Nifflerz]
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Niffla said:
Burke Dennings said:
Ever see Lawnmower Man?



Yeah when I was little I saw it -- been a loooonnnggg time though.



Haha same here. I went to the cinema. I think it was my birthday


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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: cinderblock] * 1
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That man is a con artist and a thief! Get a restraining order against him, dial 911 if he knocks on your door again. That man does not deserve a single more penny! He took way too much from you already.

Edited by ShiVersblood (04/19/19 12:19 PM)

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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: Bumholio] * 1
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OP the guy is a ballsy dickhead.  I would fire his ass and tell him exactly why.  No One likes a thief.

He needs you not the other way around.  I am a business guy that has to bust ass for deals.  I hate hearing about businesses that bend over the  long term loyal customer...to lie about service charges then to be badgered...nah. I will spare my thought on how I would fix him up real good.


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Re: How do I get rid of my clingy landscaper without drama? [Re: cinderblock] * 1
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God man, that is a lot of drama reading that.  Be a man and just fire the asshole or be nice and say your services are no longer needed.  You don't need people like that in any shape or form in your life.

Just my opinion.  I avoid people like that like the plague.  Just reading it makes me feel shitty thinking of dealing with someone like that.

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