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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman]
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qman said:
http://money.com/money/5638873/beto-orourke-2020-fundraising-bernie-sanders/

https://www.salon.com/2019/03/18/democrat-beto-orourke-raises-6-1-million-during-first-24-hours-as-a-2020-presidential-candidate/


Oh boy I bet qman would like me as the almighty emperor of planet Earth. 

:fuckyeah:

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: christopera] * 3
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Nuance is for effeminate nerds.  Why do you think we've been saddled with trumplestiltskin?

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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Beto is an effeminate nerd



Go SANDERS


Jk I hardly know who he is, but it sounds like he had a proper savage childhood :lol:

If he was really in the Cult of the Dead Cow under the moniker "Psychedelic Warlord" that's pretty badass :rofl:

The US could very seriously use a technologically adept administration.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
http://money.com/money/5638873/beto-orourke-2020-fundraising-bernie-sanders/

https://www.salon.com/2019/03/18/democrat-beto-orourke-raises-6-1-million-during-first-24-hours-as-a-2020-presidential-candidate/


Saw this. I’m yawning. On Friday his campaign declined to disclose first day totals, then all of a sudden on Monday he’s got juuuusssttt barely enough money to break Bernie’s record?

He very well may have raised $6.1M on his first day (I’ve seen some reports that he simply rolled his $4.5M leftover from his Senate campaign into his presidential fund), but the important thing to note here is that he is the only candidate to decline to release number of individual contributors and other info that others have disclosed when first day numbers are shared. Also important to note that Beto’s rich as hell, his wife is a billionaire, and he’s got the Obama DNC bundlers on his team.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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To me, this huge Beto first day haul means bad news for Kamala. Aside from some early endorsements in her home state, her path to victory isn’t looking so great. It could also signal a push from big donors to line up behind someone as Biden tip toes around announcing a run.

But as far as Bernie is concerned, I’m not too worried about Beto as a threat.  For all his apparent charm and charisma, he’s got just as many stains on his record as Biden does, and things like abandoning the fossil fuel pledge and effectively getting his GOP friend elected over a Democrat in a tight race in Texas isn’t going to play well with democratic voters.

I have to think the establishment knows this, maybe they’re just hoping Biden/Kamala/Beto can all peel off enough delegates in the South/CA/TX (respectively) that it denies Bernie 50.1% of delegates, and we are stuck with a contested convention in Milwaukee.

I guess we’ll see.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I think it'd be cool to get someone like Beto on a high ranking Cyber-khan administrative position - he's one of the very few highly technologically proficient politicians I know of - but he's definitely not my first, second, or maybe even third choice for the Pres.

As far as how incredibly important it is to have someone of expertise neat the top, helping shift policy realistically adapted to the technology of the last 30~ years... I don't think that can be overstated considering the only 'real' war we're in right now, or have been for the last 10~+ years is 'cybernetic'/covert in nature.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: twighead]
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So, can I jump into this conversation and get a reply?

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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Maybe I'm not American enough. :strokebeard:

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
Nuance is for effeminate nerds.  Why do you think we've been saddled with trumplestiltskin?


I’ll take that as a compliment.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: christopera] * 2
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christopera said:
qman said:
christopera said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Bernie doesn't support zero immigration, obviously, but he understands that unfettered immigration is something that the powerful elite want, and benefit from, more than the middle class.


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25879538#25879538

In the video you posted "open borders" was said, to which Bernie countered.

Neither you, nor me, nor any of the other Bernie supporters, nor Bernie want open borders. We all agree that border protections are necessary. We all also agree that increased border protections will present little net positive gain for our citizens and economy and might actually create a net loss.

So to be clear, qman's staunch anti-immigration (a zero immigration policy) is not the same as what qman has presented, this despite the fact that qman as well as most of us agree that immigration should be controlled.


The discussion is about the economic IMPACT of illegal immigration, Bernie agrees exactly with me on the issue.


Nah, you’ve moved the goal posts. Bernie might agree on the economic impact of immigration on a very fundamental level, but that doesn’t mean he believes zero immigration is what we should be striving for. There is nuance to his position that you’ve chosen to ignore. Let’s not pretend that some immigration versus no immigration is magically not an economic debate, because if we ignore that then we are living in the land of make believe.


I agree that Bernie has never suggested that zero immigration should be US policy, but that's not really the point here at all.

He clearly stated the same exact concerns on immigration that I do. Those concerns exist regardless of the level of immigration, there's no rationalizing his immigration philosophy away in my opinion. 

I think people on the left would throw a shit fit if they heard Bernie on the immigration issue.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
http://money.com/money/5638873/beto-orourke-2020-fundraising-bernie-sanders/

https://www.salon.com/2019/03/18/democrat-beto-orourke-raises-6-1-million-during-first-24-hours-as-a-2020-presidential-candidate/


Saw this. I’m yawning. On Friday his campaign declined to disclose first day totals, then all of a sudden on Monday he’s got juuuusssttt barely enough money to break Bernie’s record?

He very well may have raised $6.1M on his first day (I’ve seen some reports that he simply rolled his $4.5M leftover from his Senate campaign into his presidential fund), but the important thing to note here is that he is the only candidate to decline to release number of individual contributors and other info that others have disclosed when first day numbers are shared. Also important to note that Beto’s rich as hell, his wife is a billionaire, and he’s got the Obama DNC bundlers on his team.


The Elite want this guy, that much is clear. I really don't know very much about him.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman]
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Why don't we make a shroomery political party?

Oh that's right, most of you're passified zombies, drooling after Sanders or Trump.

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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
qman said:
http://money.com/money/5638873/beto-orourke-2020-fundraising-bernie-sanders/

https://www.salon.com/2019/03/18/democrat-beto-orourke-raises-6-1-million-during-first-24-hours-as-a-2020-presidential-candidate/


Saw this. I’m yawning. On Friday his campaign declined to disclose first day totals, then all of a sudden on Monday he’s got juuuusssttt barely enough money to break Bernie’s record?

He very well may have raised $6.1M on his first day (I’ve seen some reports that he simply rolled his $4.5M leftover from his Senate campaign into his presidential fund), but the important thing to note here is that he is the only candidate to decline to release number of individual contributors and other info that others have disclosed when first day numbers are shared. Also important to note that Beto’s rich as hell, his wife is a billionaire, and he’s got the Obama DNC bundlers on his team.


The Elite want this guy, that much is clear. I really don't know very much about him.


He’s a legacy politician (his dad), a centrist Dem who votes way too often with the GOP in Congress despite being a deep blue district, got a billionaire wife, umm that’s about it. He has no real vision or policy agenda, but he’s seen as a cool dude who low info voter liberals can project their own values on to, hence the “white Obama” label. But unlike Obama, he’s not a great campaigner. Sure he managed to develop a formidable grassroots network for his failed Senate run, but at the end of the day he lost to Ted fucking Cruz. He’s got a terrible record (especially in relation to banks and oil), and he hasn’t even mustered a new agenda to distract from that like Harris, Gillibrand, and Booker have.

He’s coasting on vague charisma and the backing of the Democratic establishment. I don’t see a path to victory for him unless the rest of the field drops out before Super Tuesday, allowing the centrist vote to coalesce around him. Hopefully he just siphons off some of Biden’s support. If Bernie can hang on through Super Tuesday, he’s got the later states in the bag.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Pinkerton]
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Pinkerton said:
Why don't we make a shroomery political party?

Oh that's right, most of you're passified zombies, drooling after Sanders or Trump.


I resent the implication.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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A few states have yet to announce dates for this cycle, but pending any changes, here’s the current schedule for Democratic primaries and caucuses:

February 3rd - Iowa caucus
February 11th - New Hampshire primary
February 22nd - Nevada caucus
February 27th - South Carolina primary
March 3rd - Alabama, California, Colorado, Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Texas, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Vermont, Virginia
March 5th - Kansas, Nebraska
March 6th - Maine
March 7th - Louisiana
March 10th - Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio
March 14 - DC
March 17th - Arizona, Florida, Illinois
March 22nd - Idaho, Utah
March 26th - Alaska, Hawaii, Washington
April 7th - Wisconsin
April 9th - Wyoming
April 19th - New York
April 28th - Connecticut, Delaware, Rhode Island, Maryland, Pennsylvania
May 5th - Indiana
May 12th - West Virginia
May 19th - Arkansas, Kentucky, Oregon
June 2nd - Montana, New Jersey, South Dakota
June 7th - North Dakota, Puerto Rico


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Oh? That's quite a switch up for cali - if I remember last cycles correctly, Cali was in June. - but good to have an actual major blue state out ahead.

I hate the primary process :lol: so convoluted - probably purposely so that manipulation seems more opaque - why not just dictate a single fucking method, and a single day it takes place on :kingcrankey:
How other states vote should not be an influencing factor, especially when leveraged over months.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: twighead]
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Yeah, I first got super involved in the primary process in 2015 working with the Sanders campaign and my god is it a convoluted shitshow. And it yeah it definitely makes manipulation more opaque: for example Nevada was stolen from Bernie on some bullshit.

I think CA moving up was a big reason why the establishment was lining up behind Kamala (CA Senator) but her poll numbers have dropped and remain stagnant, so the idea of her winning California springboarding her into frontrunner status is tenuous.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
As far as Bernie is concerned, I’m not too worried about Beto as a threat.  For all his apparent charm and charisma, he’s got just as many stains on his record as Biden does, and things like abandoning the fossil fuel pledge and effectively getting his GOP friend elected over a Democrat in a tight race in Texas isn’t going to play well with democratic voters.


I've never seen Beto until Jimmy Dore posted a video of him:



Just watch the first two minutes.  My opinion of Beto just went way down; I'm not feeling the charm or charisma.


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Jimmy also posted this gem on Amy Klobuchar:



Just watch the first 30 seconds.  :lol:


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Re: Sanders 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Is he really that naive? :lol: or bad at following the Mueller investigation?


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