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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: I Love Lucid]
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https://thewellnessenterprise.com/emoto/ opinions?


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/ikea-bullied-a-potted-plant-while-encouraging-another-then-showed-schoolkids-the-impact/

For this too


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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It'd be a big leap to assume that the same methods could be used to achieve an alteration in molecular structure, which would be the only way to change the effects of the molecule


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: I Love Lucid]
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But you get what I mean?

Only known method by modern science you meaned?


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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I get what you're suggesting and saying it seems highly unlikely it's true that Owsley or any other chemist channeled energy, through emotion or otherwise, and changed their LSD crystal in any way that could change its effect in the body.


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: I Love Lucid]
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One of the phases of Owsleys procedure was to keep his hands on the equipment while making the synthesis to get good energy end product.


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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Yes, and I'm arguing that that was useless, except for how it changed him personally by making him more focused, mindful, etc. and maybe getting a more pure synthesis


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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LeningradCowboy said:
https://thewellnessenterprise.com/emoto/ opinions?


This has been dismissed as pseuoscientfiic nonsense by the scientific community. Dig a little deeper. I looked into this years ago.

What he's advocating is essentially telekinesis.

This means nothing and doesn't detract from the fact that LSD is LSD.


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: MrCraggles]
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MrCraggles said:
LeningradCowboy said:
https://thewellnessenterprise.com/emoto/ opinions?


This has been dismissed as pseuoscientfiic nonsense by the scientific community. Dig a little deeper. I looked into this years ago.

What he's advocating is essentially telekinesis.

This means nothing and doesn't detract from the fact that LSD is LSD.


I would go so far to say that if that link contained anything you thought was plausible or interesting you need to hone your critical thinking and bullshit radar.


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: bodhisatta]
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+ good vibes =

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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: breeg89]
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Most of the things we consider normal was science fiction of yesterday.
Science is the way we understand this system now and is upgraded constantly.


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
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LeningradCowboy said:
Most of the things we consider normal was science fiction of yesterday.
Science is the way we understand this system now and is upgraded constantly.


Science is upgraded using more sophisticated evidence...not with illogical pseudoscience that doesn't adhere to the rigours of the scientific method, such as that which you posted.


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: MrCraggles]
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Neuroplasticy of brains and atoms for example was considered pseudoscience not so in history.


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Re: All LSD is not exactly the same [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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LeningradCowboy said:
Neuroplasticy of brains and atoms for example was considered pseudoscience not so in history.


It doesn't matter. Those two things stood up to the rigours of science and are high in repeatability and validity. Telekinesis absolutely has not and is not.

Listen it's completely up to you if you want to believe in that nonsense. I can't help you.

The guy behind the water experiments refused to thoroughly publish his methodology. What is known of the methodology shows that the experiments were seriously, seriously flawed. To the point where no credible scientist would take them seriously because they're completely antithetical to the scientific method.

He was also invited to perform his water experiments under tightly controlled experimental conditions by James Randi, who offered a prize of a million dollars if he could seriously demonstrate the effect. The guy refused, obviously. I wonder why. Hmm.

But I'll copy and paste this from a website:

Water itself is a pretty simple molecule, H2O. In liquid form, many simple molecules rattle around bumping into each other all the time. When frozen, H2O forms a regular crystal lattice of molecules locked together, for which we use the term “ice.” But there is absolutely no "vibration" or emotion from humans associated with the formation of crystals.

If, following the book’s directions, you take a very shallow layer of distilled water in a petri dish and freeze it quickly to well below 0 C, you will get irregular crystal formations, the geometry of which is subject almost entirely to the mathematics of  chaos. There is no serious long-range order, just the short-range order of one crystal influencing the growth of the one next to it.

Emoto also ignores the inconvenient fact that some of the water in his experiment (such as lake water) was combined with other substances. If there are chemicals in water (either dissolved or suspended solids), a different, irregular pattern of freezing can occur. Impurities may lead to additional nucleation centers where crystal formation can begin more easily. So there will be more small crystals, starting at many different sites, and therefore less order among the adjacent crystals.

In addition, water can freeze into an amorphous state, where the beautiful order and symmetry of a single snowflake is lost in the jumble.

This would undercut the essential claim that how the water freezes is determined by thoughts and words.

This author freely admits that he picked and chose particular crystals that fit his own definition of "beautiful" and even admits that isn't scientific. He then goes off into a digression about how science really isn't that sure of anything in the first place, erroneously invoking Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

The crystals are simply random. That's all there is to it.  Are they affected by "the personality and thought of the photographer"? Only in one very important way:  Due to personality and thought, the photographer selects certain crystals and ignores others, from an initial collection that is totally random.  As Emoto says, "the whim of the person doing the selecting certainly comes into play” and "I admit that the selection process is not strictly in accordance with the scientific method, but.."

It's always convenient to invoke science to buttress pleasant ideas. In the water case, the bottom line is “be positive and the world will be happy.” It may be true that positive thoughts help make a better planet, but it's not because those thoughts affect water.


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