qman said:

XUL said:

Diversity does not equal strength.

It may equal weakness.

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Mixing different cultures that constantly come into conflict with each others foundations is definitely a major weakness.

Multiculturalism is a proven failure.

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Have either of you proven it?  Can you explain why the most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Of course they can’t.  Its just more racist propaganda, typical of unsuccessful losers crying about their lot in life and trying to find someone to blame besides themselves.

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Well Europe has had a dramatic uptick in violence and terrorism sinse the "mixing of European and African/middle eastern cultures". The migrant crisis is a good example of the conflicts that can arise. Maybe in a few decades they will assimilate but atm its been a rough ride

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He's blind to the world around him, screaming "racism" is about all he has to offer in these discussions.

Anyone who even follows world events and history, knows about these conflicts.

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So you have a lot of friends that aren’t white?  I’m betting not.  The fact that you think people of different ethnicity, cultural background or religion can’t get along speaks to your personal outlook of the world.  All you have to offer in these discussions is placing blame on immigrants.

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I associated with people from many different races and ethnicity's. I have never had a serious issue with them.

Do I have issues with cultures that don't embrace Western liberal values? Absolutely, and I'll even say that certain values systems are harmful and primitive in nature.

Some cultures and religions suck in my opinion, and are NOT equal with Western liberal values.

Mycolorado said:

Sure, Mother Theresa.

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Many say she was a self centered bitch, so I'll take that comment as an insult. 

vault123 said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

the most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Correlation does not equal causation

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Yes, but correlation helps prove causation.

vault123 said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Have either of you proven it?

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There are a number of areas most of us would agree upon as a benefit. For this example we could start with something like "social cohesion". I assume most people would want to live in a more welcoming, inclusive, and friendly environment where they feel safe and trusting.

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I was thinking people would prefer a better median income. 

ballsalsa said:

That's cute that you thought I was asking you to explain the concept to me.

No example then?

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Vault, we all know what supply and demand is.  But wages aren't currently correlated to labor demand.



The most likely explanations are lower union membership (union membership and wages are very highly correlated), and game theory (companies know they won't benefit by paying more, because then other companies will just follow suit and then there will still be a shortage of labor).

qman said:

MagicMush123 said:

Mycolorado said:

If people would get an education or learn a valuable trade they wouldn’t have to worry about uneducated and unskilled immigrants competing for their shitty assembly line job.

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I guess you missed the points about skilled and educated immigrants coming to America to work IT jobs

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Most legal immigrants have education and skills, those immigrants do hurt the native workers without a doubt.

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qman said:

Cultural diversity has always been a problem for white supremecists in the US...

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Fixed that for you. 

vault123 said:

Do you honestly believe that an increase in the supply of labor will have no measurable affect on on its price?

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vault123 said:

“The regression equations indicate that even after controlling for a variety of factors, immigrants exert a downward pressure on both the weekly and hourly wages of natives.”

https://cis.org/Report/Wages-Immigration

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Quote:

When all natives are considered together, the wage effects of immigration appear to be relatively modest. However, when the results are disaggregated and lowskilled occupations are examined separately, the results indicate that immigrants have a significant negative effect on the wages of natives in these occupations, while having no such effect on natives employed in higher-skilled occupations.
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The findings indicate that immigration is likely to have contributed significantly to the decline in wages for workers with only a high school degree or less in the last two decades.

The presence of immigrants does not appear to have a discernible negative effect on the wages of natives employed in high-skilled occupations and may even increase wages in these occupations.

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So it's possible that if you have a high school degree or less, immigrants could hurt your wages a little.


Edit:  Mycolorado caught that too. 


This was discussed at length here.

The Ecstatic said:

Like I said, importing illegals is only one way the rich exploit the value of our labor. And there will never be a tight labor market again. Automation will make sure of that. So where do you want to be when there arent enough jobs left to sustain the economy? One where we're at the whims of corporations, hoping theyll pay enough taxes to prop up the exponentially increasing welfare costs? Or one where the economy is democratized and workers have a voice, a fair wage, and their dignity?

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vault123 said:

Your corollary chart doesn’t prove anything, you need a causal link to “prove” something.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

MagicMush123 said:

Mycolorado said:

If people would get an education or learn a valuable trade they wouldn’t have to worry about uneducated and unskilled immigrants competing for their shitty assembly line job.

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I guess you missed the points about skilled and educated immigrants coming to America to work IT jobs

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Most legal immigrants have education and skills, those immigrants do hurt the native workers without a doubt.

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Actually, there is a lot of doubt.  I work in a company that hires legal immigrants, because there IS a serious shortage of labor.  If any of you have a masters in chemical engineering, materials science, physics, electrical engineering, or mechanical engineering, and you want a job, just let me know.

Legal immigrants by law must get paid the same or better than US citizens, so I don't know how that hurts wages.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Cultural diversity has always been a problem for white supremecists in the US...

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Fixed that for you. 

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Mycolorado said:

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