Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

XUL said:

Diversity does not equal strength.

It may equal weakness.

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Mixing different cultures that constantly come into conflict with each others foundations is definitely a major weakness.

Multiculturalism is a proven failure.

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Have either of you proven it?  Can you explain why the most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Of course they can’t.  Its just more racist propaganda, typical of unsuccessful losers crying about their lot in life and trying to find someone to blame besides themselves.

vault123 said:

I am not explaining this anymore. You don't have to believe it, you can believe whatever you want. Holding all things the same, supply goes up, demand goes down, and with it wages. Granted there are other variables to consider, if supply and demand both go up then wages may stay the same or even increase depending on the increase in demand.

Microsoft for example keeps trying to get the number of work visas raised because they "claim" there aren't enough high skilled workers to fill the position, that's debatable.

Still, the law of supply and demand has been around for a long time and isn't going anywhere. It provides sufficient nuance to empathize with the concerns of those who may feel that a sudden and dramatic increase in the supply of labor may not be in their best interest.

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unsuccessful losers crying about their lot in life and trying to find someone to blame besides themselves

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most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Have either of you proven it?

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There's a lot of variables to consider. We touched on this a little bit discussing white privilege. As before I would start with defining it. For example, I would start with something like "what would a strength of diversity look like?"

There are a number of areas most of us would agree upon as a benefit. For this example we could start with something like "social cohesion". I assume most people would want to live in a more welcoming, inclusive, and friendly environment where they feel safe and trusting.

That could bring us to a more specific question like "how would diversity affect social cohesion?" It turns out there is already some data on that particular aspect of diversity. You can take a look at it yourself.



https://politicalscience.ku.dk/staff/Academic_staff/?pure=en%2Fpublications%2Fethnic-diversity-and-social-trust(38776931-9a45-4aff-a91a-c188f97e3155).html

https://politicalscience.ku.dk/staff/academic_staff/?pure=en/persons/309060

Now as I said in the white privilege discussion, no single study is definitive, but each piece of evidence we get provides some amount of insight.

Mycolorado said:

If people would get an education or learn a valuable trade they wouldn’t have to worry about uneducated and unskilled immigrants competing for their shitty assembly line job.

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Mycolorado said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

XUL said:

Diversity does not equal strength.

It may equal weakness.

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Mixing different cultures that constantly come into conflict with each others foundations is definitely a major weakness.

Multiculturalism is a proven failure.

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Have either of you proven it?  Can you explain why the most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Of course they can’t.  Its just more racist propaganda, typical of unsuccessful losers crying about their lot in life and trying to find someone to blame besides themselves.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

XUL said:

Diversity does not equal strength.

It may equal weakness.

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Mixing different cultures that constantly come into conflict with each others foundations is definitely a major weakness.

Multiculturalism is a proven failure.

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Have either of you proven it?  Can you explain why the most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Correlation isn't causation, just because certain industries decide to reside in certain cites and that attracts all types of people because those industries foster economic prosperity for many people that live in the area, it does NOT mean the diversity is the reason for the prosperity.

Yes, affluent areas attract all sorts of people, those areas do well despite the diversity in most cases.

The major leaders of the EU acknowledge many years ago that multiculturalism is a proven failure, most there don't disagree with that assessment.

Mycolorado said:

If people would get an education or learn a valuable trade they wouldn’t have to worry about uneducated and unskilled immigrants competing for their shitty assembly line job.

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Mycolorado said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

XUL said:

Diversity does not equal strength.

It may equal weakness.

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Mixing different cultures that constantly come into conflict with each others foundations is definitely a major weakness.

Multiculturalism is a proven failure.

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Have either of you proven it?  Can you explain why the most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Of course they can’t.  Its just more racist propaganda, typical of unsuccessful losers crying about their lot in life and trying to find someone to blame besides themselves.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

XUL said:

Diversity does not equal strength.

It may equal weakness.

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Mixing different cultures that constantly come into conflict with each others foundations is definitely a major weakness.

Multiculturalism is a proven failure.

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Have either of you proven it?  Can you explain why the most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Of course they can’t.  Its just more racist propaganda, typical of unsuccessful losers crying about their lot in life and trying to find someone to blame besides themselves.

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Well Europe has had a dramatic uptick in violence and terrorism sinse the "mixing of European and African/middle eastern cultures". The migrant crisis is a good example of the conflicts that can arise. Maybe in a few decades they will assimilate but atm its been a rough ride

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He's blind to the world around him, screaming "racism" is about all he has to offer in these discussions.

Anyone who even follows world events and history, knows about these conflicts.

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

XUL said:

Diversity does not equal strength.

It may equal weakness.

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Mixing different cultures that constantly come into conflict with each others foundations is definitely a major weakness.

Multiculturalism is a proven failure.

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Have either of you proven it?  Can you explain why the most successful cities in America are usually the most diverse?

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Of course they can’t.  Its just more racist propaganda, typical of unsuccessful losers crying about their lot in life and trying to find someone to blame besides themselves.

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Well Europe has had a dramatic uptick in violence and terrorism sinse the "mixing of European and African/middle eastern cultures". The migrant crisis is a good example of the conflicts that can arise. Maybe in a few decades they will assimilate but atm its been a rough ride

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He's blind to the world around him, screaming "racism" is about all he has to offer in these discussions.

Anyone who even follows world events and history, knows about these conflicts.

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So you have a lot of friends that aren’t white?  I’m betting not.  The fact that you think people of different ethnicity, cultural background or religion can’t get along speaks to your personal outlook of the world.  All you have to offer in these discussions is placing blame on immigrants.

Mycolorado said:

So now it’s legal immigration? Your whole argument up til now has been about illegal immigrants.  What do you do for a living, qman?  Seems you’re very concerned that your job might be taken by someone else.  If that’s the case, it really doesn’t matter that individual is an immigrant, legal or not, or just another born and bred US citizen.  Maybe you need to learn new skills that are more valuable than your current set or get a better education in a field that is lucrative or at the very least able to set you apart from the rest.

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qman said:

Well, I'm not willing to experience even the slightest drop in my standard of living by having some open borders policy. I don't want to dilute it by bringing in poor people.

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Makes it hard to take anything you’re saying seriously.

Mycolorado said:

You said you voted for Trump and I’m not buying that your position is based on altruism for future generations, especially considering this statement:

qman said:

Well, I'm not willing to experience even the slightest drop in my standard of living by having some open borders policy. I don't want to dilute it by bringing in poor people.

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Makes it hard to take anything you’re saying seriously.

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