qman said:

We're talking in relative terms, shall we examine the numbers or just continue your game of semantics?

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Enlil said:

qman said:

Enlil said:

Wanting more diversity isn't racist.

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So immigration from Germany, Poland, Norway, Sweden, Austria, UK and Netherlands would be welcome?  The left would have a meltdown.

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They're already welcome.

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Enlil said:

lowbrow said:

Enlil said:

Wanting more diversity isn't racist.

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When it relates to race, yes it is.

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Lol, no.  Wanting racial diversity is about improving our society. It isn't racist at all.

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christopera said:

XUL created an entire thread dedicated to Christians from Mexico.

qman said:

We're talking in relative terms, shall we examine the numbers or just continue your game of semantics?

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lol. Your comment is blatantly false. There's nothing semantical about my argument. And talking in "relative terms" is, as usual, semantics on your part.

But to be clear, people from those places arrive here all of the time, because they are welcome. It's that simple.

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qman said:

Lophosaurus said:

Cheap labor to rebuild our infrastructure helps everybody in the US including the 1%. If we only let in the richest and smartest people then who is going to do the work that they are too over-educated for?

Not everything is about economic growth. Some of these people are fleeing because their livelihood is in danger and we should let them in because of that, whether it helps fill your greedy pockets or not.

The immigrants that built the US came from all over the world. Literally every continent that has people. Some were invited, some were slaves, and some came illegally. Learn your history.

Sorry, but your ancestors aren't any better than people coming over the Southern border. Why are you bringing up that they are Polish? Because you're racist? Seriously, what does that have to do with anything? That is a stupid racist comment.

What shitfest? The fact that Trump has any amount of power and is causing chaos? Everything else seems to be going fine as usual except for Trumps racist followers whining about people coming in to the US.

I work with illegal people all the time and they are some hard workers and really nice people. If anything we should ship-out some of these privileged lazy citizens and let in more latin people.

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We don't need "cheap" third world illegals to build our infrastructure in the US, that's a real silly argument.

We have tens of millions of low-skilled US citizens that could do the work, you don't think they're married to unemployment and part time work, do you?

Also, even if they're genuine refugees from Central and South American, they're not the responsibility of the US. It's the first country they flee into, not the US. So again, that argument is completely bunk.

And yes, my Polish ancestors are better immigrants because 1. They had jobs waiting upon arrival. 2. They were invited and LEGAL immigrants. 3. They didn't burden the system of social safety nets because it didn't exist. 4. They were Northern Europeans with a similar culture, religion and genetics as the existing US population. 5. They embraced assimilation.

The shitfest is estimated at near 22 million illegals and over $100 billion per year in tax burdens for the US. This scenario isn't "fine", it's a fucking social-economic disaster.

I'm sure many illegals are great people and workers, that's NOT the issue here. It's about the US enforcing the existing immigration laws.

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Enlil said:

lowbrow said:

Enlil said:

Wanting more diversity isn't racist.

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When it relates to race, yes it is.

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Lol, no.  Wanting racial diversity is about improving our society. It isn't racist at all.

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qman said:

christopera said:

XUL created an entire thread dedicated to Christians from Mexico.

qman said:

We're talking in relative terms, shall we examine the numbers or just continue your game of semantics?

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lol. Your comment is blatantly false. There's nothing semantical about my argument. And talking in "relative terms" is, as usual, semantics on your part.

But to be clear, people from those places arrive here all of the time, because they are welcome. It's that simple.

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Immigration from those nations is a very small fraction relative to the overall total. 

If that were to reverse and be the main source of immigration, the left would throw a shit fit.

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koods said:

qman said:

christopera said:

XUL created an entire thread dedicated to Christians from Mexico.

qman said:

We're talking in relative terms, shall we examine the numbers or just continue your game of semantics?

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lol. Your comment is blatantly false. There's nothing semantical about my argument. And talking in "relative terms" is, as usual, semantics on your part.

But to be clear, people from those places arrive here all of the time, because they are welcome. It's that simple.

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Immigration from those nations is a very small fraction relative to the overall total. 

If that were to reverse and be the main source of immigration, the left would throw a shit fit.

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More Europeans immigrate to the US than Africans. Or South Americans.

Europeans are over represented as an immigrant population compared to their actual population.

15% of legal immigrants to the US come from Europe and Canada despite those countries only
Making up 10% of the world population.

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2017/table2

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koods said:

We don’t border Europe and 120k Europeans immigrated to the US in 2016. (Compare to 100k Africans the same year)

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qman said:

Enlil said:

qman said:

So immigration from Germany, Poland, Norway, Sweden, Austria, UK and Netherlands would be welcome?  The left would have a meltdown.

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They're already welcome.

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In large numbers at the expense of our current immigrants?  I don't think so.

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Lophosaurus said:

qman said:

Lophosaurus said:

Cheap labor to rebuild our infrastructure helps everybody in the US including the 1%. If we only let in the richest and smartest people then who is going to do the work that they are too over-educated for?

Not everything is about economic growth. Some of these people are fleeing because their livelihood is in danger and we should let them in because of that, whether it helps fill your greedy pockets or not.

The immigrants that built the US came from all over the world. Literally every continent that has people. Some were invited, some were slaves, and some came illegally. Learn your history.

Sorry, but your ancestors aren't any better than people coming over the Southern border. Why are you bringing up that they are Polish? Because you're racist? Seriously, what does that have to do with anything? That is a stupid racist comment.

What shitfest? The fact that Trump has any amount of power and is causing chaos? Everything else seems to be going fine as usual except for Trumps racist followers whining about people coming in to the US.

I work with illegal people all the time and they are some hard workers and really nice people. If anything we should ship-out some of these privileged lazy citizens and let in more latin people.

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We don't need "cheap" third world illegals to build our infrastructure in the US, that's a real silly argument.

We have tens of millions of low-skilled US citizens that could do the work, you don't think they're married to unemployment and part time work, do you?

Also, even if they're genuine refugees from Central and South American, they're not the responsibility of the US. It's the first country they flee into, not the US. So again, that argument is completely bunk.

And yes, my Polish ancestors are better immigrants because 1. They had jobs waiting upon arrival. 2. They were invited and LEGAL immigrants. 3. They didn't burden the system of social safety nets because it didn't exist. 4. They were Northern Europeans with a similar culture, religion and genetics as the existing US population. 5. They embraced assimilation.

The shitfest is estimated at near 22 million illegals and over $100 billion per year in tax burdens for the US. This scenario isn't "fine", it's a fucking social-economic disaster.

I'm sure many illegals are great people and workers, that's NOT the issue here. It's about the US enforcing the existing immigration laws.

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Why is it a silly arguement? That is what we have used in the past and it worked. If the Americans leave their part-time jobs to do the work then we will need someone to fill their previous positions. If Americans are unemployed now then it is basically their own fault and they will remain unemployed whether we have more or less immigrants.

It doesn't matter if it is our responsibility or not. As a wealthy powerful country I think it is partially our responsibility to set a good example and help people in need. They are coming to America with or without the wall so we should document them and let them in.

Your ancestors are not better than them and I'm sure they immigrated for different reasons then these people. All immigrants that I know have a job and a lot have multiple jobs. How were your ancestors invited? By the native Americans? They just received an invitation out of the blue that invited them here? Did they apply or were they refugees?

If we let these people in legally and easily then they will be legal and they won't be a burden on the system because they could pay their share of taxes.

America is a big place and Northern Europeans were a minority in the beginning. Especially if you went to the Western US. Most of the land above the border was originally inhabited by Mexicans and Native Americans, not the Polish. And who cares if they aren't the same culture as you. What everybody in the US has to be like you and your race? Racist.

These people are coming anyways and your stupid wall won't help. What is slowing someone down by 12 seconds going to accomplish? Are there a lot of border arrests that are missed because border patrol was 12 seconds late? The wall is not the answer.

You want the wall because you are a racist.

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ballsalsa said:

did you blow the whistle, or are you just expecting the Enlil reads every post of every thread?

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qman said:

ballsalsa said:

did you blow the whistle, or are you just expecting the Enlil reads every post of every thread?

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He knows about it.  I guess double standards are acceptable around here.

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qman said:

ballsalsa said:

did you blow the whistle, or are you just expecting the Enlil reads every post of every thread?

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He knows about it.  I guess double standards are acceptable around here.

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