krypto2000 said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

Then intent was to get people to not vote for Hilary. That’s why there were pro stein ads and pro Bernie ads. The most effective part of the campaign was stoking resentment in Bernie voters. It worked very well.

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There were also pro-Hillary ads:



Did you seriously not know that?

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That is NOT a pro Hillary ad...

qman said:

Can you quantify the impact of ads on potential consumers?  No, it's complete guess work and nothing more.

Can you quantify the impact of posts on FB that are political in nature on potential voters?  No.

I'm not in denial that CNN, the MSM and social media ATTEMPT to influence the political opinions of potential voters, but we can't quantify it because no one lives in a vacuum, correct?

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I cannot quantify it, no, that's above my pay grade. Can it be quantified? I'd imagine to some degree with statistical analysis it could be, yes, but why does it matter? That is not what we're arguing about. Are you making the specious argument that because it hasn't been quantified that it's reasonably likely to be zero?

You're just resorting to logical fallacies to prevent from admitting you're wrong, and further hurting your credibility in the process; you're not helping your position here.

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krypto2000 said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

are you really that naive?

I don’t know if my favorite part of that is “the obama White House,” the scary Isis looking typeface or the primacy of a foreign flag (Iraqi I believe)

That is my favorite example of political disinformation I’ve seen so far and you fell for  it. Look at the date. 3 weeks after Orlando, so that post was probably made right after the attack.

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I don't get your point at all.  Sure, if I'm a bigot, that that post might make me anti-Hillary, but if I'm a bigot I'm already anti-Hillary.

If you're saying that the ad is more click-bait than it is pro-Hillary, then I say EXACTLY. 

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He's saying that it sways people who haven't decided if they're bigots yet. People are not born racist or not racist, it's a learned behavior and there is no fine line one crosses over, it's a spectrum. Do you not think these ads and posts influenced anyone?

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qman said:

"People are not born racist"

Evidence?

"it's a learned behavior"

Evidence?

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krypto2000 said:

That is NOT a pro Hillary ad...

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

"People are not born racist"

Evidence?

"it's a learned behavior"

Evidence?

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Have you ever been to a kindergarten classroom?

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qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

"People are not born racist"

Evidence?

"it's a learned behavior"

Evidence?

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Have you ever been to a kindergarten classroom?

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And what happens by 5th grade?  Almost complete voluntary segregation based on racial demographics. It's as if it came naturally to ALL children REGARDLESS of race.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

krypto2000 said:

That is NOT a pro Hillary ad...

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It is if you're Muslim or pro-Muslim.

There's a lot of evidence out there saying the Russian Facebook ads also helped Hillary.

Facebook FAIL:  "Russian Ads" were actually posts helping Hillary Clinton

The link above consolidates several different sources showing this.  You can believe what you like.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

krypto2000 said:

That is NOT a pro Hillary ad...

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It is if you're Muslim or pro-Muslim.

There's a lot of evidence out there saying the Russian Facebook ads also helped Hillary.

Facebook FAIL:  "Russian Ads" were actually posts helping Hillary Clinton

The link above consolidates several different sources showing this.  You can believe what you like.

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koods said:

Qman said he voted for Obama. He is also pretty damn anti-Muslim immigrant. I think that “pro hillary” ad was targeted exactly at people like him: the democrats want to save the world’s Muslims. There are plenty of economic democrats who are fearful of cultural issues like that. Fal thinks that ad will appeal to Muslims. Sure great it nailed down that 1% of the demographic, while inflaming the repitilan tribal fears using visual imagery like a font that looks like the ISIS flag and a woman in a hijab commanding you to “support hillary.”

I would have loved to see the comment section of that post.

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krypto2000 said:

There may be a more fitting logical fallacy, but an obvious one is moving the goal posts. No one ever argued the effects were quantifiable, we argued they were real. You have done nothing to dispute that.

Are you actually contending that ads and posts that not only reached but was acknowledged by 10's of millions of people had no impact? It's a yes or no question, stop deflecting and answer it like a grown adult.

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qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

"People are not born racist"

Evidence?

"it's a learned behavior"

Evidence?

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Have you ever been to a kindergarten classroom?

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And what happens by 5th grade?  Almost complete voluntary segregation based on racial demographics. It's as if it came naturally to ALL children REGARDLESS of race.

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koods said:

Qman doesn’t remember a time in his life when he didn’t hate brown people

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qman said:

koods said:

Qman doesn’t remember a time in his life when he didn’t hate brown people

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I'm sorry if the innate aspect of tribalism upsets you, but as a Jew you have a better understanding of it than most people would be my guess.

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Oy vey so much mishegas

krypto2000 said:

No, qman is right there. When I was in the third grade my best friend was indian, most of my friends were black, and a couple of them were white. In the fourth grade my parents wanted to move to a "better" neighborhood (see: white). By the fifth grade all of my friends were white except my best friend who was a light shade of hispanic. That's how I learned my parents were racist.

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krypto2000 said:

No, qman is right there. When I was in the third grade my best friend was indian, most of my friends were black, and a couple of them were white. In the fourth grade my parents wanted to move to a "better" neighborhood (see: white). By the fifth grade all of my friends were white except my best friend who was a light shade of hispanic. That's how I learned my parents were racist.

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