qman said:

Kryptos said:

If it walks like a duck goose and it quacks "Heil Hitler", it's probably a Nazi.

Even if it won't admit it.

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People call Ben Shapiro a Nazi, the term is overused and doesn't have any meaning today.

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Psilynut2 said:

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If bubbles is wrong on anything or everything he says, simply point out the errors and use facts backed up with links and so on. But no, the far left hates that kind of debate, it must all revolve around ideology and beliefs. T

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He seems to be incapable  of understanding how wars are started I’ll say that much ...

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Name calling does not do it.

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  Sometimes the shoe just fits .

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Stonehenge said:

If bubbles is wrong on anything or everything he says, simply point out the errors and use facts backed up with links and so on. But no, the far left hates that kind of debate, it must all revolve around ideology and beliefs. They were taught since birth certain things and told they must never question them so they don't. They do not like logic based discussions but that is the only way to do the job.

If it was easy to defeat our bubbles, he would have left hanging his head long ago. But no one can seem to do it. Name calling does not do it.

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koods said:

qman said:

Kryptos said:

If it walks like a duck goose and it quacks "Heil Hitler", it's probably a Nazi.

Even if it won't admit it.

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People call Ben Shapiro a Nazi, the term is overused and doesn't have any meaning today.

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I dint know anything about Ben Shapiro. I tried watching one of his videos but he sounds like a muppet character on helium.  Some people have a face for radio. He has a voice for the editorial pages.

Most racists aren’t nazis, but the guys who exercise their racism through nazi symbols and /or ideology are fucking nazis. Too many people inaccurately use the word Nazi to describe people who would accurately be called racists.

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The main reason for the German initiative regrading both countries was to free ethnic Germans from genocide and persecution. After WW1 the newly formed National boundaries (drawn up by the allies) saw German territory handed over to both Poland and Czechoslovakia, leaving large amounts of ethnic German minority's behind.

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inority's behind.

Your argument surrounding Poland in September 1939, also completely ignores the fact that Russia also invaded Poland at the same time and the two states divided up the newly annexed country between them. Yet only war were declared on Germany by France and Britain, initiating WW2.

The whole thing stinks

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I may even stop growing just to avoid becoming like some of you. Why


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Hoodafucisdat said:

Snitches report shit like little babies.i think this fourm is a snitch site! I'm glad I ain't posted any active. For real isn't there a site anywhere that snitches don't use? To make a real discussion about Nazis WTF and it ain't cool to rip on? Shroomery your Facebook page blows and so does this one. Alan Rockefeller has a fed I D. I may even stop growing just to avoid becoming like some of you. Why do you wait so long to report? Asshole question. Narc asses in charge. Stupid!and this passive agressive post baby shit. Please ban me for life your fourm blows goats

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qman said:

Political beliefs are not against the rules, just because you disagree with those beliefs doesn't mean those people should be banned.

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You're allowed to state things I might think are "racist" in nature, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to post it.

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I might identify with many "liberal" viewpoints, does that mean I'm a "liberal?  A person might identify with a few "nazi" viewpoints?  Does that mean they're a "nazi"?  No.

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This isn't a black or white issue like you're trying to make it, it's essentially your way or the highway and it doesn't work that way. Most people value the free exchange of ideas and speech, maybe one day you'll feel the same way.

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Enlil said:

Tipote said:

is it a flame to call someone a Nazi - when they have identified with Nazism?

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If someone self-identifies as a Nazi, calling him/her a Nazi is acceptable just like calling a self-proclaimed democrat a democrat is acceptable.

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thats what I did

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For the record, I don't know if Bubbles has identified himself as a Nazi or not.

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Whether or not he has, it's irrelevant to why your thread was moved.  As I explained to you, this is not the place to make threads to confront members personally. 

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I already got that point, thats why I made a new thread showing that understanding. That should be clear to you by this thread.

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This forum is and will continue to be a place where political ideologies are discussed.  Whether you like it or not, facism and national socialism are political ideologies.  You find these ideologies offensive, and you're free to feel this way, but that doesn't make them off limits to discuss.  You need to learn to accept that.

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discussing is one thing, advocating for/promoting and posting Nazi ideas and propaganda is another.

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I have made it clear to Bubbles that racist rhetoric will only have limited acceptance in this forum.  He's been warned.  He's been banned.  He will either get with the program or find himself permanently banned.  That does NOT make it okay for you to turn this forum into a venue for your private war against him.  Attack his ideas (which is easy because his ideas are stupid as fuck) and not him.

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lol when was he banned? and for what - 5 minutes?

I am attacking his ideas. He filled every other thread with it, I was just making a thread where we could challenge those arguments without derailing every other thread.

why is there only "limited acceptance" in this forum for racism? Perhaps I am mistaken but it didn't used to be like this on this site.

Is racism now just a political belief? Nazism involves a few different manifestations of racism, but they are all allowed.
Where do you draw the line then? Is pedophilia just a political belief too? Should we be allowed to advocate for it?

I feel like because racism is so normalised, and increasingly so, the boundaries are being shifted. What is the appropriate level of racism you are allowing here?

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Here's my rant, while we're ranting:

Why the fuck do you guys let shit go on for so long before reporting something?  I got a report about Bubbles' racist memes like a week ago for the first time.  They were in the cartoons thread, which I tend to let be (because the thread is a shithole).

By the time I got to these other threads, there were tons of racist memes posted and quoted, and requoted, and re-requoted.  I understand why Tipote is frustrated.  A couple of pages of that far right thread looks like Stormfront.  I can't undo that at this point, though, and I've made my position clear to Bubbles.

Hit the fucking notify button guys.  If you're being petty, that's fine...I'll ignore it.  But if I don't see an issue until after multiple pages of shit have already made it a garbage thread, what am I supposed to do?

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Stonehenge said:

That sounds like fuck off if you don't agree with me. Yes your point of view is extremely narrow. None of the people you call nazis are nazis, you just don't like them.

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qman said:

Kryptos said:

If it walks like a duck goose and it quacks "Heil Hitler", it's probably a Nazi.

Even if it won't admit it.

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People call Ben Shapiro a Nazi, the term is overused and doesn't have any meaning today.

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Bubbles85 said:

Tipote, I have some books I recommend you read.

1. The Ruling Elite. Death, Destruction and Domination - By Deanna Spingola.
2. The Holocaust Hoax Exposed. Debunking The 20th Century's Biggest Lie - By Victor Thorn.
3. The Forced War - By David L Hoggan.
4. Cruel Britannia. A secret History Of Torture - By Ian Cobain.
5. The Bad War. The Truth Never Taught About WW2 - By M.S King.

They should get you started, there's also plenty more.

And I can not stress this enough. Watch a 25 part documentary available on Youtube (so you don't have to buy the DVD set) called - Adolf Hitler, The Greatest Story NEVER Told. Obviously start with part 1.

If you are not prepared to go beyond the realms of the allied versions of events, you will forever live in ignorance.

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qman said:

"Why is there even partial tolerance for racism?"

Because almost every issue can turn into an accusation of "racism" even when there's isn't any at all. Basically we wouldn't even have a forum if it were up to people like yourself who see "racism" in every facet of human existence.

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qman said:

"why is here any tolerance for Nazism"
The answer is very similar to the above, when people like yourself disagree with other members on certain issues, one of the first things that come out of your keyboards is accusing people of being a "nazi". Most people here are discussing the history of Nazism, which is completely acceptable. 

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qman said:

"What Nazi viewpoints do you agree with?"
Nice try, I never stated that I agree with any Nazi viewpoints. I was speaking in generalities and not about myself, but you already knew that fact.

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qman said:

"I don't see how its controversial to have the line drawn"

There is already a line and those are the forum rules that are enforced by a mod. We are fortunate that he values free speech and the free exchange of ideas that he personally disagrees with, you should try the same.

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The Ecstatic said:

Racism becomes bad when white people have to undergo 'stop being so racist' classes at work to protect their employer from lawsuits.

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