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Question About Mushroom Tea
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I am thinking about making some mushroom tea. My question is, would it be better to use dried or fresh mushrooms. Not researched it much, so thought i would make a post. Any answer helps, thanks

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Darth Siidwa]
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If, you have fresh it will extract almost all the magic. You can use as little water as possible and still have optimal extraction from fresh. Add some lemon juice and honey for better extraction and flavor. Just enough water to equal the water in the mushrooms.

If, you have dried a lot of the magic will already have degraded or been converted.

So, for full effect just use fresh.

Either way, it will reduce the stomach discomfort.

But, tends to hit you fast and all at once. So, be ready for a somewhat unpredictable blastoff. Know how much you put into it and what level you intend to reach or drink sloooow. Otherwise, it will put you on your ass.

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: apsinthos]
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I actually read that it works better with dry mushrooms and when I read that it even suggested you can dry the mushrooms first.

Curious what your reasoning is for the claim that fresh mushrooms are easier to extract from...?

Idk which is true, just know the person who's tek i read seemed to have made tea a boat load of times...


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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Also i recently made tea for the first time and it was by far the best method I have ever tried..

Definitely suggest trying it out...


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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Did you use dried mushrooms? And i am currently growing my own, first time grow, almost time to pick them. Heard about the tea method, thought i would try it. Just got curious, because i heard fresh ones are stronger, and I am able to have both dried and fresh. Thanks for the help guys/gals

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Darth Siidwa]
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fresh is always best


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: jimgerryrig]
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Any reasoning why?

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Darth Siidwa]
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Fresh is best IME.  Taste's better, full potency. Tea tek.


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Fresh are supposedly stronger when you eat them,

When I did tea I used dried cubes.

I also grow my own.

I'll probably try some fresh now and try more dried and then more fresh then a few more dried and see if I notice a difference :shrug:


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Darth Siidwa]
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Darth Siidwa said:
Any reasoning why?


common sense, do you want fresh mushrooms, fresh dmt, fresh acid, or you want dried rankity old shit


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: jimgerryrig]
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Bro that is not exactly common sense to understand the chemical degradation and potency or effect associated with wet mushrooms vs dried...

I was under the impression dried mushrooms experience no potency loss.

I can't really say I have ever noticed that a wet dose blew my socks off compared to a dry dose of the same relative strength.

How much degradation and potency loss do you really experience in a 12-24 hour period it takes to completely dry...?

That would require a scientific measurement, not common sense...

Plus the question was directly related to making tea, and the differences in wet vs dry mushroooms in the process of making tea.

I'll take primal soup's word for it though since he seems to have done it far more than I have.


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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The second I harvest mine I'll be making some tea, to impatient to wait lol. Although I will dry the rest for storage.


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Madcapper144]
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I just make tea from the harvests and store that.  It's not like the tea ever really tastes that good (I make it the same weight as the fresh weight - i.e. if I had 30 gms fresh I want 30 gms of tea with the same effect) but when I've made tea from dry it's always a bit of a yecch taste.  Dry can be plenty potent depending on species, but fresh just tastes better to me.  :shrug:


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said:
I just make tea from the harvests and store that.  It's not like the tea ever really tastes that good (I make it the same weight as the fresh weight - i.e. if I had 30 gms fresh I want 30 gms of tea with the same effect) but when I've made tea from dry it's always a bit of a yecch taste.  Dry can be plenty potent depending on species, but fresh just tastes better to me.  :shrug:


Really?

I had absolutely no taste when I made mine, tasted just like some good tea with honey.

I like the Yogi, Honey Lavender stress relief tea with some good quality honey :super:


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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I make it extremely strong with citric acid to aid in extraction, boil it for a minute, and then steep it for about 10 and then strain it.  The taste isn't bad but it's not something you can acquire IME.  Best to take a chug and a juice chaser, fortunately there's never a lot of it even at the 200g fresh weigh dosages I get to during extensive daily tripping times. The taste is mostly irrelevant to the purpose.





OTOH when I've had liberty cap tea it can actually be savored.  Wood lovers produce a nice nutty sort of teat that isn't unpleasant.  Cubes not so good. :shrug:


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: PrimalSoup]
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tea can be ridiculously fast acting, so be aware of that. i was at a house where some kids drank shroom tea with only 8-9 grams try between like 5 people, and they drank the tea and were all tripping balls in i swear 10 minutes it was crazy haha(me being used to the long slow come up when you just eat them)

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Cloudwalk]
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Tea was prepared yesturday morning with 1.5 dry b+ and 1.0 gram  fresh gt stem butts. We ground the dry to powder and sliced up the freahies. Added hot water, juiced one "fresh" lemon. Soaked for a hour, strained and soaked again in hot water with lemon zest/ peels. Added a tropical green tea bag with one spoon of organic sugar and four drops green food color. This potion absolutely blew us away! It starts kicking in maybe 10-15 minutes, so be warned...

This was my first time adding fresh to tea and it seemed MUCH stronger then tea made with 3.5 dry. Maybe the green food color boosted it up.

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Sofaking420]
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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: PrimalSoup]
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I'll have to try this out with some fresh for myself....

I'm skeptical lol.

Have fun guys :super:


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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I make my tea with mushrooms and water. Tastes like hot water.

No big deal.

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: SpiralsAhead]
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Sorry for bumping this.

When you guys do fresh boomers in tea, do you still grind them up in say a coffee grinder?

Gonna try some tea tonight using some fresh boomers


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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Personally I don't grind them up to powder unless I'm doing a lemon tek, which I don't participate in anymore.
Fresh or dried shrooms work great I've done both with cubes,  Cincts and cyans and haven't really noticed any potency loss.

When I make tea,  I will either wing it,  or go read the tea tek at the bottom of primals signature.

Last batch I took 7 grams dried Cincts basically whole. Approximately 12 ounces of water.  2 jamming lemon ginger tea bags and got it all to a boil.  Then simmered for 10 or 12 minutes.  Then strain out the mushrooms and tea bags,  really wring them out.
Split into two cups,  mine bigger than hers. Nothing scientific about it. I figure I took 4.5 she took 2.5 and we both tripped balls.

Now here's the uninteresting part.
From drink to blast off for me was about 10 minutes.  For her it was nearly 45 minutes.  Don't go making another batch thinking they're bunk or whatever.  I almost made more tea for her,  but I remembered the basics, don't fall for that shit anymore. 45 minutes in,  she took the rocket ship ride to nowhere and was thanking her lucky stars she didn't do any more. 

I used to add lemon juice to the tea and do a lemon tea tek,  but I didn't like the faster pace of my trips I seem to get with lemon juice. Anyways... good luck find what works for you by doing it over and over and over and over again.


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: PrimalSoup]
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PrimalSoup said:
Fresh is best IME.  Taste's better, full potency. Tea tek.


  Hey Primal how's it going :-)? Do you think the citric acid is the key to making it happen? We tried t a few times about a year-and-a-half ago and it definitely seem to not be as kick ass as just grinding them into powder and eating them. I know you're a big believer in tea and we didn't use citric acid we threw a little lemon in there but I don't know if it was enough or what happened. The one time we made it and let it sit overnight and drink it the next afternoon it was almost completely bunk... we just powdered them and ate them from there on out because after we went back to powdered it was a huge noticeable difference...:shrug:


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Sorry for bumping this.

When you guys do fresh boomers in tea, do you still grind them up in say a coffee grinder?

Gonna try some tea tonight using some fresh boomers


I slice mine up into thin slices. Sometimes I forget and throw them in whole. I don't notice any difference either way. I also boil them for about two minutes then steep for a while.
Good times

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: SpiralsAhead]
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For me..tea was decent. The come up was rougher but didn't last as long and the peak came on faster and wasn't any more intense that regular consumption wouldn't provide

So in the end I decided tea wasn't worth it. I've tried it all man and I really decided that powderized mushrooms into capsules are the best of the best when it comes to methods of consumption


That's just my opinion. I seen to digest powderized mushrooms much better than of they were not powder.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
For me..tea was decent. The come up was rougher but didn't last as long and the peak came on faster and wasn't any more intense that regular consumption wouldn't provide

So in the end I decided tea wasn't worth it. I've tried it all man and I really decided that powderized mushrooms into capsules are the best of the best when it comes to methods of consumption


That's just my opinion. I seen to digest powderized mushrooms much better than of they were not powder.


I've heard the back and forth on capsules,  do you make a bunch up and store them or process and pack as needed?

If you store them have you seen any potency loss issues?


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Steveinshell]
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I'm going to have to try the capsule thing. I don't have a coffee grinder. I only do tea for my stomach but sometimes the come up is ruff. Eating them definitely gives a more evened out experience. Even if I fast it can still bother my stomach. Thanks for the idea

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Sorry for bumping this.

When you guys do fresh boomers in tea, do you still grind them up in say a coffee grinder?

Gonna try some tea tonight using some fresh boomers


I chop them up.




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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: voodoochild1000]
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voodoochild1000 said:
PrimalSoup said:
Fresh is best IME.  Taste's better, full potency. Tea tek.


  Hey Primal how's it going :-)? Do you think the citric acid is the key to making it happen? We tried t a few times about a year-and-a-half ago and it definitely seem to not be as kick ass as just grinding them into powder and eating them. I know you're a big believer in tea and we didn't use citric acid we threw a little lemon in there but I don't know if it was enough or what happened. The one time we made it and let it sit overnight and drink it the next afternoon it was almost completely bunk... we just powdered them and ate them from there on out because after we went back to powdered it was a huge noticeable difference...:shrug:


Hi Voodoo - IME citric acid just took it to the next level.  I'd always made tea since like day one when we brewed a batch of liberty caps we'd picked and proceeded to enter a brand new world.  :aliceshocker:

Acidifying it just works 'cause it stops the oxidation of the psilocin and gets it all into the brew and then into the body, fast and easy. Lemon juice works, any acid works, it tastes a little rank when you put enough in to stop the brew from turning blue at all.  Too much is not better than just the right amount.  Sits for about 10 minutes and gets frozen (or used).


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Steveinshell]
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Steveinshell said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
For me..tea was decent. The come up was rougher but didn't last as long and the peak came on faster and wasn't any more intense that regular consumption wouldn't provide

So in the end I decided tea wasn't worth it. I've tried it all man and I really decided that powderized mushrooms into capsules are the best of the best when it comes to methods of consumption


That's just my opinion. I seen to digest powderized mushrooms much better than of they were not powder.


I've heard the back and forth on capsules,  do you make a bunch up and store them or process and pack as needed?

If you store them have you seen any potency loss issues?



I never stored shroom capsules. I fill the capsules the same day I would eat them.

But I had some DMT goo left in a capsule in the refrigerator for a year+ and it was fine


Shroom capsules should last long if stored in an airtight container in the fridge.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

Edited by Bill_Oreilly (03/22/18 02:35 PM)

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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Thanks guys.

I might try the capsules out one day. Main reason I like tea is for taste and how easy it is to just drink. Capsule seems that way too..

You can fit large doses in a swallowable capsule?


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: SpiralsAhead]
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SpiralsAhead said:
I'm going to have to try the capsule thing. I don't have a coffee grinder. I only do tea for my stomach but sometimes the come up is ruff. Eating them definitely gives a more evened out experience. Even if I fast it can still bother my stomach. Thanks for the idea


If you slowly sip/drink on your tea (spread it out over say 10 minutes or so) then the come up will be smoother, i learned that from my DMT-containing teas, instead of slamming it back and it hitting all at once, sip on it and stretch it out over 10 to 20 minutes and things should be good to go.


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Sabnock]
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Sabnock said:
SpiralsAhead said:
I'm going to have to try the capsule thing. I don't have a coffee grinder. I only do tea for my stomach but sometimes the come up is ruff. Eating them definitely gives a more evened out experience. Even if I fast it can still bother my stomach. Thanks for the idea


If you slowly sip/drink on your tea (spread it out over say 10 minutes or so) then the come up will be smoother, i learned that from my DMT-containing teas, instead of slamming it back and it hitting all at once, sip on it and stretch it out over 10 to 20 minutes and things should be good to go.



So simple... Can't believe I didn't think of it...

How do you make dmt tea...?


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said: How do you make dmt tea...?


I basically just brew up Mimosa or Acacia root, but for pure DMT you just dissolve your pure DMT in some slightly acidic water/liquid and drink (after inhibiting gut MAO-A, of course).


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Sabnock]
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I'm about to do my first dmt extraction in the next couple days. I think Saturday. Have all the supplies and my bark has been freezing and thawing.

I have some more mhbr as well, I think 175g or so. Im using 75g for my first attempt.

I didn't realize you could go straight to tea... Or I may have just did that instead. You have to add an maoi?

Thanks for your reply


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
I'm about to do my first dmt extraction in the next couple days. I think Saturday. Have all the supplies and my bark has been freezing and thawing.

I have some more mhbr as well, I think 175g or so. Im using 75g for my first attempt.

I didn't realize you could go straight to tea... Or I may have just did that instead. You have to add an maoi?

Thanks for your reply


If you're looking to extract, 75 to 100 grams or so is good, if you're looking to use it orally for tea, it's up to 8 grams or so.

Good quality Mimosa root (i use powder, if shredded i grind it up in a coffee grinder and sift out any fibers and use the resulting powder) is usually dosed from 2.5 grams to about 8 grams, 2.5 to 3 grams or so being light but with a good dose of MAO-A inhibition can still be pretty strong, 5 grams is more moderate but could be considered strong enough, and 8 grams seems to be strong/heavy territory ime.

And yeah with Mimosa Hostilis or Acacia Confusa (or Chacruna or Chaliponga) you need MAO-A inhibition to make the DMT orally active because DMT isn't orally active unless MAO-A is inhibited because otherwise MAO-A would break down and metabolize out the DMT, so MAO-A needs to be inhibited for DMT to be orally active. It's been said on the net that Mimosa and even Acacia can be consumed without MAO-A inhibition, but most people haven't had any success with it, and it requires at least 30 grams or more of Mimosa or Acacia, the theory is that there's something within the Mimosa or Acacia that is a weak inhibitor of MAO-A allowing for possible oral activation, or that you're consuming more DMT than MAO-A can break down so while it's tied up/busy with the flood of DMT trying to break it down, some could pass through and become orally active, but as i said most people who've tried it haven't reported much success and it's far better to just take a few grams with adequate MAO-A inhibition for a strong experience and not waste it.

You can inhibit MAO-A with Harmalas (Harmaline/Harmine, active compounds in the plants Syrian Rue and B. Caapi), or you can inhibit it with something like Moclobemide, a pharmaceutical reversible MAO-A inhibitor, a few people have been interested in trying out Methylene Blue for it's possible MAO-A inhibition as well though i've only ever stuck with Harmalas/Rue and Moclobemide. There are some other reversible MAO-A inhibitors out there, both natural (i'd imagine) and pharmaceutical, but Harmalas and Moclobemide seem to work pretty well already. Though Harmalas (with a good strong dosage) cause nausea, vomiting, possible diarrhea, body load, motor function impairment and some other side effects, sometimes a headache can occur, whereas with Moclobemide there aren't really any side-effects that i've noticed, no nausea or vomiting or anything like that, pretty clean/transparent feeling on the body, seems to orally activate DMT pretty well, the main difference being that with Moclobemide it's an oral DMT (or Mimosa, Acacia, Chacruna, Chaliponga) experience, which is interesting and awesome too, but with the Harmalas it's more Ayahuasca-like as Harmalas have other properties aside from MAO-A inhibition that add to and alter the nature of the experience, which i prefer Harmalas but Moclobemide is cool too.

Also one can get around the Harmala-related side-effects by taking them regularly for a couple weeks or so (like a few times a week), and a reverse tolerance will build up which means the effects get stronger the more regularly it's consumed, and as it gets too strong you can back the dosage down bit by bit as you go along for a relatively consistent Harmala dosage. But building up the reverse tolerance will do away with the nausea and vomiting and clean up the body load, and in the long run requires less plant material for the same Harmala dosage. But if building up the reverse tolerance, it's probably best to take the Harmalas/Rue/Caapi by themselves without DMT as the side-effects aren't as apparent and it doesn't require you to take a Psychedelic regularly (unless you want to). And the more MAO-A inhibition you have/Harmalas or Moclobemide you take, the less DMT you'll need for a full dose as it becomes potentiated and even the smallest amount of DMT can be pretty powerful, and the less MAO-A inhibition you have/Harmalas or Moclobemide you take, the more DMT you'd need, so i try to stick with a moderate to high dose of Harmalas or Moclobemide to ensure full MAO-A inhibition.

Also, contrary to what some people still think, one does not need to avoid Tyramine-containing foods when taking a reversible inhibitor of MAO-A, there are no Tyramine reactions, the only reactions you have to watch out for and be careful about are drug to drug interactions, so do not take MAO-A inhibition with things like SSRI's, Amphetamines, and some other drugs, but dietary-wise all is fine and there are no dietary interactions/reactions with Harmalas or Moclobemide. Some people claim they get a headache sometimes, but the headaches are not caused by Tyramine as the gut's MAO-A inhibition is short in duration/temporary lasting anywhere from say 30 minutes to 2 hours max, plus MAO-B can metabolize Tyramine as well if need be, and what i think is causing the headaches is the same thing that causes the nausea and vomiting, Acetylcholinesterase inhibition, it could be bit more than just that but the side-effects of Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors fit the bill for the side-effects being experienced. Also some say the headache they get comes a few days after their experience, which the MAO-A inhibition doesn't last nearly that long and MAO-A would be up again and working like usual and would break down any Tyramine like usual so any headaches experienced in the days after is not from Tyramine.

All in all, reversible MAO-A inhibition is safe, and nothing to worry about, so long as you're not taking certain medications or drugs along with it.

The only other ways to experience DMT is through extracting and smoking/vaping it (with or without MAO-A inhibition through Harmalas or Moclobemide), or by injection, or by insufflation (snorting, though freebased DMT is said to burn like crazy, so you probably would want it in it's salt form like DMT Fumarate). Some say you can also use it sublingually or rectally but others say MAO-A needs to be inhibited for that because there's possibly MAO-A in the mouth and anus, but i'm not sure. I stick to the oral route, i've smoked it but only in the form of Changa, though a few times with enhanced leaf, but usually always have had Harmalas included when smoked/vaped.


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Sabnock] * 1
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Thanks for all the info bro.. damn.. clearly you take the dmt game seriously. Seem to know a bit about it...

I'll try and look up some teks that explain the tea procedure and how to prepare and ingest the Mao, appreciate it bro...

I may try what you mention about the reverse tolerance buildup to get around the side effects as well, appreciate you mentioning that


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
Thanks for all the info bro.. damn.. clearly you take the dmt game seriously. Seem to know a bit about it...

I'll try and look up some teks that explain the tea procedure and how to prepare and ingest the Mao, appreciate it bro...

I may try what you mention about the reverse tolerance buildup to get around the side effects as well, appreciate you mentioning that


No problem, i've had a lot of time to experiment and research lol. Yeah the DMT-Nexus forums is a good place to start with regards to DMT-related info.


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Re: Question About Mushroom Tea [Re: Sabnock]
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Gotcha gotcha, thanks again man..


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