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Though all of this is great, I have never seen gods/entities/fairys/etc and now is the time I feel.

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It seems from others, that as long as you are in a safe place, it wont matter as you are so far from reality.

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True, although it helps if you avoid sudden changes to your plan. If you planned to stay indoors, do that, don't suddenly wander off randomly outside at the peak of your trip because it seems like a good idea at the time. I find the trip tends to become something very internalized, like an internal voyage, so I don't usually have any particular desire to leave the room.

Good vibes!

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I always tell people have good mellow tripping music queued up ready to roll with ease.

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I disagree with this. I noticed that when you are in the "entity realm" that you are disconnected from external sounds anyway. This means that music can ONLY BE a distraction if you are trying to go as far as you can.

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With shrooms at least, I think if you choose the music carefully it helps to put you in the right mood; some tracks feel like an invocation, others seem to fit the trip so well that you wonder whether they were deliberately designed for that purpose. Random rock or pop music.....no thanks. This is the kind of thing I like - Re: Music and visuals. But the whole silent darkness thing is of course a perfectly good option if you fancy it...

Also I'm not really sure if talking about an 'entity realm' or expecting to "see" or "meet" entities is particularly realistic on shrooms (DMT or pharmahuasca would be a different story as you know but I've not personally tried them). Beyond a certain dose point on shrooms I just end up believing I'm God and having repetitive trips where the main lesson is "maybe take a bit less next time". Or I just end up cycling in and out of consciousness like some kind of very weird feverish nightmare where nothing will leave me alone, like being endlessly devoured by the trip. Not saying 5g is going to be like that by any means, but dosing higher and higher for the sake of "going as far as you can" on shrooms has its limits IME.

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To the OP - I find with shrooms that there is a kind of creeping insanity at higher doses, and at some point you cross a line where you become delusional and the existence of aliens (or God), other dimensions and so on suddenly becomes something which feels absolutely real. You go from thinking "wouldn't it be cool to see some aliens!" to thinking "I can feel some kind of hostile presence inside this trip, this was a really fucking bad idea" and the CEV start to churn and writhe like some kind of portal which is trying to drag you inside. The peak may involve some kind of oblivion or be very confused, but for the most part even when the trip goes quite deep you can be surprisingly lucid (although it can be difficult to stop and think clearly if your mind is running at 1000mph).

The weirdness factor is way up there but it seems a bit unfair to let people expect to calmly "meet and greet" entities like they are going to a zoo or something Within the CEV is different, you can see pretty much anything in there (or at least try to work out what the fuck it is).

If you trip heavily it can be more like "well, you wanted to see some aliens, but what's actually going to happen is that you're going to go completely insane, we're going to feed you to the aliens via your CEV, you're going to die inside the alien apocalypse and then come back to discover there's a completely different reality behind this one that you never knew about."

I guess what I mean is that shroom trips can be more visionary and internal than they are visual experiences of external things around you. A lot weirder and more powerful than you might ever expect, but not like wearing VR goggles that completely replace your reality.....more like being in several places at once, inside the room, inside the trip, inside your mind. If you want to see another reality on shrooms, your best bet is to close your eyes and watch it, the OEV can be fantastic in their own psychedelic way but they seem like more of a sideshow to me.

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No matter how many times I tell myself otherwise before or after a trip, I always think I died or am in the process of dying during an intense trip.

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howl said:

Lying down in silent darkness. Make sure you are in a safe place with no distractions around. Have a bucket close by in case you need to puke or piss. I'd stay off the bed since you might piss yourself on a large dose.

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Well I am going to do them in about 12 hours so I shall report back.

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I'm curious to know how it went

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I questioned whether I would see more than a severe warping of reality with OEV at the higher doses.

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I guess it's one of those "never say never" scenarios. Sometimes the OEV surprise you.... you can get used to the general kind of "word-soup" effects on surfaces but then something really crazy happens, like the top of the wall seems to extend out like an infinite horizon, or you flinch because a phantom jeep drives at you out of the page of a notebook (random memory from a computer game), or there's a girl sat in the shelving at the edge of your vision, or there is vegetation growing in front of you and dancing girls at the edges of your field of view, or the curtains suddenly look like computer circuitry in the matrix, or the size of the room is changing, the shadows are moving, you lose your sense of direction because you get the sense that the room is slowly turning, a massive fractal whirlpool suddenly appears on the wall.... there's all kinds of weird things that *can* appear in your OEV but generally if I look around the room it looks "sort of normal" apart from the words in the walls and a general shift towards yellow. But I do enjoy those "holy fuck!" moments when you suddenly notice that the OEV have got slightly out of control and are doing things that are frankly not right.... it can be a bit disturbing to see physically impossible things in the room.



Also the further out things are from the centre of your focus, the more outrageous they behave. If you are sat focused on a something right in front of you, you can get the impression that all kinds of things are moving at the edges of the room. I think the real limit with the OEV is that beyond a certain dose point you get so wrapped up in the trip itself that you simply don't register what you are looking at most of the time, you are concentrating on an internal voyage of some kind.

I think as long as you don't expect to get violently thrown into some kind of other-dimensional DMT-style experience then the OEV are pretty good, it's just that on shrooms if you try to dose for crazy OEV you will become so crazy that you don't notice the visuals so much!

I think part of the idea of tripping in darkness (somebody mentioned this in another thread) is that if your eyes have no light to work with, then effectively you will start to get CEV with your eyes open. To be honest the whole idea of "seeing with your eyes" becomes kind of complicated at higher doses when you can see into another world with your eyes shut, or lights from the real world are shining through your eyelids and illuminating things in your CEV when you turn your head....

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I am curious to see what the CEV have for me on this bih dose as one twice have i got any decent amount of shapes/textures in them before, and defo nothinky like a full Alex Grey world ha

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Well hopefully you got something good, I think the CEV are epic on shrooms and you can get great visuals on doses where you are still lucid enough to really enjoy them. Huge glowing alien fractal vaults of utter strangeness...

Looking forward to the report.... I think it's all about finding the right kind of dose level where the trip is strong enough to be epic but not so harsh that you never want to trip again!