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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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Kryptos said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Let me get this straight, qman... you think Bush and Trump come remotely close to commanding a modicum of global respect that Obama had? Im sure I can find polling data relating to the subject, but I want to be sure Im understanding you correctly first.



Come on man, Bush definitely commanded a fair bit of global respect. I would say maybe not quite the way that Obama's charisma commands respect, but he at least was respected as a president and leader of the free world. Nobody cut off a Bush cabinet member mid-sentence to cheers and applause, mostly because Bush and his cabinet were respectful enough of others that it was not necessary.



Fair enough. At the time Bush commanded respect, much of which was residual respect from administrations that came before him. However, he has probably done more damage to Americas global reputation than all other presidents before him, and Trump will undoubtedly surpass his legacy by this measure.

For all of his talk of Obamas "ghetto-ness", he probably had more class, and presented a more sober and polished America to the world, than Bill Clinton, which is actually saying a lot, blowjobs aside.

You should look up some of the blooper reals of the bush administration. They are quite amusing.


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Edited by Bigbadwooof (07/04/17 03:45 PM)

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Kryptos said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Let me get this straight, qman... you think Bush and Trump come remotely close to commanding a modicum of global respect that Obama had? Im sure I can find polling data relating to the subject, but I want to be sure Im understanding you correctly first.



Come on man, Bush definitely commanded a fair bit of global respect. I would say maybe not quite the way that Obama's charisma commands respect, but he at least was respected as a president and leader of the free world. Nobody cut off a Bush cabinet member mid-sentence to cheers and applause, mostly because Bush and his cabinet were respectful enough of others that it was not necessary.



Fair enough. At the time Bush commanded respect, much of which was residual respect from administrations that came before him. However, he has probably done more damage to Americas global reputation than all other presidents before him, and Trump will undoubtedly surpass his legacy by this measure.

For all of his talk of Obamas "ghetto-ness", he probably had more class, and presented a more sober and polished America to the world, than Bill Clinton, which is actually saying a lot, blowjobs aside.

You should look up some of the blooper reals of the bush administration. They are quite amusing.



I have. I don't think it is fair to say that Bush tarnished the reputation of the US more than any previous administration, however, because history has given us some terrible administrations. Jackson, Harrison (the pneumonia guy, come on, that's embarrassing), Buchanan, who guaranteed that the civil war would happen, Hayes, who ended up being sworn in in secret because he lost the popular vote and got voted in by a congressional tiebreaker, and, of course, Harding, who I would say is the closest counterpart to Trump with his rampant nepotism and corruption. And, of course, who could ever forget the Hoovervilles of the 1930s?

Edited by Kryptos (07/04/17 03:56 PM)

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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America was an isolationist, untelevised nation for all of the presidencies you have mentioned, and during those years, many countries were up to far worse.


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
Let me get this straight, qman... you think Bush and Trump come remotely close to commanding a modicum of global respect that Obama had? Im sure I can find polling data relating to the subject, but I want to be sure Im understanding you correctly first.



Trump and Bush won't win any popularity contests on the global stage, but they both get respect.

Obama was a negro puppet from the most powerful nation on the globe, his position was based on charity and political correctness, that does not command true respect on the global level. :shrug:

"polling data"

I'm sure you'll find that Obama gets all of the popularity wins in the polls, it was hard not to like Obama because he as such a nice personality. Trump is the complete opposite of Obama in those terms, he's rude, immature and a self entitled little brat. With that all being said, Trump has a presence that demands and receives respect on the domestic and global level.

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
Bigbadwooof said:
Let me get this straight, qman... you think Bush and Trump come remotely close to commanding a modicum of global respect that Obama had? Im sure I can find polling data relating to the subject, but I want to be sure Im understanding you correctly first.



Trump and Bush won't win any popularity contests on the global stage, but they both get respect.

Obama was a negro puppet from the most powerful nation on the globe, his position was based on charity and political correctness, that does not command true respect on the global level. :shrug:

"polling data"

I'm sure you'll find that Obama gets all of the popularity wins in the polls, it was hard not to like Obama because he as such a nice personality. Trump is the complete opposite of Obama in those terms, he's rude, immature and a self entitled little brat. With that all being said, Trump has a presence that demands and receives respect on the domestic and global level.



Maybe you need the term respect defined for you. Come to think of it, I am absolutely certain you do, knowing you.

We're speaking on a thread about Trump being laughed at. I loved watching him call terrorists 'losers' during his nato speech. I sure hope he developes a vocabulary during his time in office, or finds a competant fucking writer.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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The word he was looking for was fear


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 2
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Seriously_trippin said:
The word he was looking for was fear



Lmao... thats what I got out of his comment also. Fear and respect are not the same thing. I can fear a bank robber, without having a shred of respect for him, or the gang of thugs he represents.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
America was an isolationist, untelevised nation for all of the presidencies you have mentioned, and during those years, many countries were up to far worse.



That's the same as saying "well, why are you pissed at me for robbing an old lady when there are PEOPLE GETTING MURDERED!?"

Note that your comment was that Bush had the worst presidency in "history", not "televised, non-isolationist history".

Bigbadwooof said:
Seriously_trippin said:
The word he was looking for was fear



Lmao... thats what I got out of his comment also. Fear and respect are not the same thing. I can fear a bank robber, without having a shred of respect for him, or the gang of thugs he represents.



To a certain group of people, I find that fear and respect is usually the same. Criminals generally belong to this group of people. I remember this incident I had a while back, I was shrooming out at like 4 am on a random nature walk/greenway type thing (with empty pockets for a reason) when a guy pulled a knife on me and demanded my wallet. I had no wallet, no phone, no nothing, so I laughed at him and offered him my shoes and some shrooms. He did not like that. Not even a bit. I'm sure that if I acted all afraid and said my pockets were empty he would have left, but me being fucked up, I just had to laugh at him. I was too fucked to be afraid, and I didn't respect him on principle. Good thing I did track and cross country in high school.

Edited by Kryptos (07/05/17 10:16 AM)

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
Asante said:
Look into what's happening in Polish politics...



Yes, a population that demands the government enforce its borders and national sovereignty, it's very refreshing to see it happening when you look at the disaster in the rest of the EU.



Poland is brining in boatloads of cheap labor just like everyone else.  The difference is Poland prefers white people.


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said:
Bigbadwooof said:
America was an isolationist, untelevised nation for all of the presidencies you have mentioned, and during those years, many countries were up to far worse.



That's the same as saying "well, why are you pissed at me for robbing an old lady when there are PEOPLE GETTING MURDERED!?"

Note that your comment was that Bush had the worst presidency in "history", not "televised, non-isolationist history".



For our reputation, so yes, television is relevant.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Asante said:
Look into what's happening in Polish politics...



Yes, a population that demands the government enforce its borders and national sovereignty, it's very refreshing to see it happening when you look at the disaster in the rest of the EU.



Poland is brining in boatloads of cheap labor just like everyone else.  The difference is Poland prefers white people.



Number one, those are LEGAL guest workers, so Poland is still enforcing its borders and national sovereignty.

Number two, that's a HUGE different from allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants from third world nations.

"Poland prefers white people"

They prefer legal guest workers to third world leeches, who wouldn't?

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Asante said:
Look into what's happening in Polish politics...



Yes, a population that demands the government enforce its borders and national sovereignty, it's very refreshing to see it happening when you look at the disaster in the rest of the EU.



Poland is brining in boatloads of cheap labor just like everyone else.  The difference is Poland prefers white people.



Number one, those are LEGAL guest workers, so Poland is still enforcing its borders and national sovereignty.

Number two, that's a HUGE different from allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants from third world nations.

"Poland prefers white people"

They prefer legal guest workers to third world leeches, who wouldn't?



Germany tried the 'guest worker' thing, and the people weren't having it. So Merkel instead decided to shove a bunch of 3rd world migrants down their throat. At the end of the day, most political problems come down to the rich demanding shit from the politicians, and politicians sorting out how to give them everything they desire. Capitalism is to blame. Rent-seeking is to blame.


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"It is no measure of good health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society," - Jiddu Krishnamurti
FARTS
"No my dog won't bite you, tho it had the right to. You ought to give him credit, cuz he knows I woulda let him" - Modest Mouse (And Wooof!)
Every one of you should see this video.


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Poland is brining in boatloads of cheap labor just like everyone else.  The difference is Poland prefers white people.



...that's a HUGE different from allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants from third world nations.



How is it different when Ukraine ranks behind Sudan, Iran, Nigeria, and other 'third countries' that the EU takes migrants from?  Poland is now taking in hundreds of thousands of refugees from Eastern Ukraine:

Ukraine's refugees find solace in Poland, Europe's most homogenous society


They seem to be ok with it if the third world migrants are white.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Poland is brining in boatloads of cheap labor just like everyone else.  The difference is Poland prefers white people.



...that's a HUGE different from allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants from third world nations.



How is it different when Ukraine ranks behind Sudan, Iran, Nigeria, and other 'third countries' that the EU takes migrants from?  Poland is now taking in hundreds of thousands of refugees from Eastern Ukraine:

Ukraine's refugees find solace in Poland, Europe's most homogenous society


They seem to be ok with it if the third world migrants are white.



Yeah, it has nothing do to with the fact that they have a similar culture, religion, values, customs, language, geographic location and genetics. 

Another poor job with the race baiting Fal. :thumbdown:

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Asante said:
Look into what's happening in Polish politics...



Yes, a population that demands the government enforce its borders and national sovereignty, it's very refreshing to see it happening when you look at the disaster in the rest of the EU.



Poland is brining in boatloads of cheap labor just like everyone else.  The difference is Poland prefers white people.



Number one, those are LEGAL guest workers, so Poland is still enforcing its borders and national sovereignty.

Number two, that's a HUGE different from allowing hundreds of thousands of migrants from third world nations.

"Poland prefers white people"

They prefer legal guest workers to third world leeches, who wouldn't?



Germany tried the 'guest worker' thing, and the people weren't having it. So Merkel instead decided to shove a bunch of 3rd world migrants down their throat. At the end of the day, most political problems come down to the rich demanding shit from the politicians, and politicians sorting out how to give them everything they desire. Capitalism is to blame. Rent-seeking is to blame.



"Capitalism is to blame"

Without a doubt, but people promoting their "cultural diversity" are also to blame. They ruin their homelands out of pure ignorance, at least the capitalists have money for their motivation.

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
They seem to be ok with it if the third world migrants are white.



Yeah, it has nothing do to with the fact that they have a similar culture, religion, values, customs, language, geographic location and genetics.



Exactly.  As the article says, "They don’t know Polish, don’t know Warsaw...".  Eastern Ukraine is mostly Orthodox, Poland is mostly Roman Catholic.  But at least Ukrainian refugees are mostly white, so it's all good.

You should stop making shit up to justify your racism and just be proud of it.  Then we can't keep proving you wrong with your make believe justifications.


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
They seem to be ok with it if the third world migrants are white.



Yeah, it has nothing do to with the fact that they have a similar culture, religion, values, customs, language, geographic location and genetics.



Exactly.  As the article says, "They don’t know Polish, don’t know Warsaw...".  Eastern Ukraine is mostly Orthodox, Poland is mostly Roman Catholic.  But at least Ukrainian refugees are mostly white, so it's all good.

You should stop making shit up to justify your racism and just be proud of it.  Then we can't keep proving you wrong with your make believe justifications.




"But at least Ukrainian refugees are mostly white, so it's all good"

Reported for racism. :cookiemonster:

"to justify your racism"

The subject matter is Poland, not me.

"make believe justifications"

If you can't see the distinction between bringing in people from a different part of the world with a completely different set of values and religion as opposed to a neighbor than is very similar to your own culture, you're completely hopeless. :shrug:

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: qman]
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qman said:
If you can't see the distinction between bringing in people from a different part of the world with a completely different set of values and religion as opposed to a neighbor than is very similar to your own culture, you're completely hopeless. :shrug:



But I just pointed out that your make believe similarities aren't similarities.  Their religion is different, their language is different, and their culture is different.  The similarities that you might be correct about are "geographic location and genetics" (although I think by genetics you meant skin color).


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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
If you can't see the distinction between bringing in people from a different part of the world with a completely different set of values and religion as opposed to a neighbor than is very similar to your own culture, you're completely hopeless. :shrug:



But I just pointed out that your make believe similarities aren't similarities.  Their religion is different, their language is different, and their culture is different.  The similarities that you might be correct about are "geographic location and genetics" (although I think by genetics you meant skin color).



"Their religion is different"

You're splitting hairs.

"their culture is different"

Again, there's more similarities than differences.

So you believe Poland is just crazy to think that Muslims/Africans with a completely different set of values should be no different than refugees from the Ukraine?  You're really not making any sense on this issue.

"by genetics you meant skin color"

No, I meant genetics.

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Re: Trump Administration now *actually* being laughed at worldwide [Re: qman]
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qman said:
"Their religion is different"

You're splitting hairs.



Ok, I suppose they're both Abrahamic religions.

qman said:
"their culture is different"

Again, there's more similarities than differences.



You mean they're both heavily neo-Nazi?

qman said:
"by genetics you meant skin color"

No, I meant genetics.



Source for "similar genetics"?


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