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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: ]
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Shut up. :smile:

Well well Enter or is it enter I forget which, how are you my fine fellow featherless biped?

It's been ever so long. You were missed in a way that you will never know.

You say, "Being what I am"? And what is that, pray tell?

Also, "even from name-calling shroomerites, the condescending, the angry, the other side of the polar."???

My my you do have a rather long list of ad hominems to chose from don't you?

Word to the wisest oh fair Eenter.

Read the "Be Nice" policy before you go too far awry

What's with all the ad hominems comments today? Did Mr_Mushrooms learn something new in school today?


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Edited by Zahid (12/20/02 04:53 PM)

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: Evolving]
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more about internet monitoring

this is to help calm down all those paranoid folks out there who are expecting the stormtroopers to come busting down their door at any moment. :wink: 


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"I love it when a plan comes together!"


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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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Do you just not realize that bombing Iraq and whoever we are bombing will probably kill more fellow Americans than if we didn't?

Think about it, we have killed a lot more civilians in the middle Eastern countries after 9/11 than they did from one attack. Bush has had continued bombings since then. We are just pushing more towards war...that will always lead to more killings. Its a vicious cycle. The more we bomb and destroy, the more mad they will become, the more likely they will attack back.

What the hell are you talking about..."libbies being pro-terrorism". That is bullshit. Im pro living a healthy life without the risk of high radiation levels, clean air to breathe, and a clean environment. With the technology today, humanity will not be able to stand much more nuclear testings, or even a nuclear war. Do you realize that we blow nuclear bombs right here on our own land. Most of our tax dollars are going to the production and testing of killing American lives.

You sound like you are anti-peace. The more bombing we do now will really just create more hatred towards America in future generations. When will it stop? I dont think war is the answer.

"While
you libbies are getting high and eating Doritos
there are people trying to save this country from
being turned into the United States of Islam."

Wow...

"If you hate america so much, why dont you just leave"

I love my country, its the government im afraid about.

Oh and I dont like doritos.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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Wow bivalve, you got a whole nation on your side then. It's nice to fit in with the crowd isn't it?
Ah... how nice to not have to really think about things and realize the possible consequences. Your opinion sounds all over the country, all over the televisions and all over the antennas of cars.

Q: How far would you let your government go before you considered it 'crossing the line'? Does a crossing line exist for you?

Weren't 6 million people murdered in the name of helping a nation? How far is too far? And how subtley will it creep up on you? How easy is it to believe in something?

Edited by Grav (12/20/02 09:09 PM)

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
    #1159456 -

What about the 5 times more of your fellow Americans who died from drinking and driving than the TOTAL of 911 victims? Do you see your government masssing troops around the country to keep people from driving drunk?
How about how many people kill other people when they are drunk or kill themselves when they are drunk? How about how many people get killed in hoptitals from getting the wrong meds or even the "right" ones for that matter?

And this is Americans doing to themselves or other americans. How many people do you know that died as a result of the 911 attacks? How many people do you know that died as a result of using booze? Where is the real enemy?

Keep things in perspective eh?.......


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Edited by upupup (12/21/02 06:53 AM)

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: Evolving]
    #1159505 -

Evolving, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution won't
bring 3000 of our fellow Americans back to life. You
know that, I hope.

Let me ask you something: How many of those 3000
do you think would support this plan to monitor the
internet? The majority of them, I bet. Any of them who
didn't want to have planes flown into them, I bet. Any
of them who didn't want to be reduced to ground beef
awaiting DNA identification.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Dwight D.
Eisenhower, Thomas Paine, and Thoreau never saw
planes flying into skyscrapers. Your libbie sophistry
makes me want to vomit.

Every one of you whale-loving, illegal-immigrant loving,
homosexual-loving, abortion-loving, Palestinian-loving
libbies is all the same. You all want to see the United
States of America turned into a joke. It's that simple.
You don't understand that we are at war with people
who despise our way of life. We are at war with people
who despise freedom. It's that simple.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
    #1159515 -

Bivalve, your passion is compelling but your reasoning is otherwise.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
    #1159645 -

You are making extremely large generalizations. Generalizations are not good.

What the fuck is wrong with gay people? Why should you opress them? IT is just cycling more hatred. Open your mind sometime. I have good friends who are gay, and they dont try to hit on me, and dont stick their dicks up my ass. They are just as different as you are, why would you opress certain people because of their differences.

Yes, Im whale loving, im animal loving. There is a natural process in which all animals are connected. Eliminate some more keystone species and humans will eventually fall from disease.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: angryshroom]
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>>>>The more we bomb and destroy, the more mad they will become, the more likely they will attack back.

Why doesn't anyone else fucking understand this concept? Think of all the little kids that will be forced to grow up in extreme poverty with not a fraction of what americans have as a direct result of out anti-terrorism agenda. Once they become old enough to think and hate it doesnt take much for terrorist leaders to take this next generation and turn them into terrorists that are willing to die if they can destroy america like we destroyed their country. It's an endless cycle that wont stop until some major changes are made in our policy. The fact that it's a pattern that wont end if things arent changed should be our biggest concern as a nation because it will keep the war on terrorism going for years and years(although i have this feeling thats how some people want it) Because meanwhile all our rights are being trashed and america doesnt even resemble the great country it used to be. It's turning into a facist police state, and this new trend doesnt show and signs of stopping anytime soon. People have to voice their concern about all the blatant violations of the constituation and their unwillingness to go along with all these lightning quick changes concerning our rights and freedoms. That would at least slow down the process, and make the government have to rethink their current belief that they can do whatever they want in the name of "the war on terror"

"pray for forgivness as your stripped of your rights, white collared people always seem to decide.
ask yourself a question, do you need to conform? to the brainwashing games that are engaged to restrain?"


You don't elminate terrorism by sending a army to destroy a country. That's rediculous, It creates an endless cycle of terrorism that spirals out of control until the only option left is genocide.





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Religion is for people who are afraid of going to Hell; spirituality is for those who have been there.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
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In reply to:
You don't elminate terrorism by sending a army to destroy a country. That's rediculous, It creates an endless cycle of terrorism that spirals out of control until the only option left is genocide.




So true, so true, but unforunatly this i believe was there plan all along! I see this concept espiecally in the war on drugs!


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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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Bivalve, ignorant people such as yourself turned this country into a joke a long time ago. Grow up and use your brain a little bit. Stop taking it up the ass from your uncle.

You should be shot with an LSD-loaded Super Soaker for your prejiduce and close-mindedness.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: Grav]
    #1161767 -

Yes, drugs are always the answer, aren't they? If you
tore yourself away from the bong for a second you'd
see that America is teetering on the brink.

My grandfather died for America on the beaches of
Normandy. I would give my life just as quickly.

We don't need anymore dope-smoking Phish phans
telling us to mellow out. If you've studied history and
you look at what's going on now, you'll see that we
are facing the greatest threat this country has ever
faced. These Muslims want to control the world. It's
as simple as that. Just look at Muhammed. Look at
Saladin. Look at Farrakhan.

I don't care about hurting the feelings of a bunch of
towelheads when my country has been attacked.
We need to destroy these people before they try to
destroy us. I believe - and hope - that's what the
majority of my fellow Americans desire.



Maybe that will jog your memory. Think about the
people who lost their lives when America was attacked
the next time you start going off about 'peace' and
'freedom.'

This is the greatest nation on the face of the Earth
and if you don't believe that, you don't deserve to live
here. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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In reply to:
Evolving, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution won't
bring 3000 of our fellow Americans back to life. You
know that, I hope.


Turning the U.S. into a police state will not bring them back either, what's your point?

In reply to:
Let me ask you something: How many of those 3000
do you think would support this plan to monitor the
internet? The majority of them, I bet. Any of them who
didn't want to have planes flown into them, I bet. Any
of them who didn't want to be reduced to ground beef
awaiting DNA identification


I have no way of answering it, but it is irrelevent. Turning the U.S. into a police state will not stop terrorism. The terrorism directed at Americans is directly related to our foreign policy. Does this justify it? NO, I NEVER SAID IT DID.

Let me try an anology that perhaps you may understand. If you stick your hand into a hornets nest and the hormets start to sting you, there are two things you should do:
1) Remove your hand from the hornets nest.
2) Stop the hornets that are stinging or about to sting you in whatever way you can.
U.S. foreign policy amounts to ignoring #1 and while trying like hell to implement #2 by smashing as many hornets as possible using the hand that is stuck in the hornets' nest and getting stung. This is unwise.

In reply to:
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Dwight D.
Eisenhower, Thomas Paine, and Thoreau never saw
planes flying into skyscrapers.


They didn't need to, following the concept of no entangling or permanent alliances would have assured that the situation would never have happened. Avoiding making policy to satisfy the military industrial complex's political/pork barrel desires and not sticking our nose all over the globe where it doesn't belong would have assured that the situation would never have occured.

In reply to:
Your libbie sophistry
makes me want to vomit.


Please define 'libbie sophistry.' Please tell me how expecting that the U.S. government should abide by the terms of it's charter and my desire not to see my country sink into a police state qualifies as 'libbie sophistry.' A cogent analysis of my political opinions would go a long way towards this... I suggest that you take some dramamine and study the sources that I previously suggested.

In reply to:
Every one of you whale-loving, illegal-immigrant loving,
homosexual-loving, abortion-loving, Palestinian-loving
libbies is all the same. You all want to see the United
States of America turned into a joke. It's that simple.


What have I ever stated to make you think that I am one of the 'whale-loving, illegal-immigrant loving, homosexual-loving, abortion-loving, Palestinian-loving libbies.' Here's a tip, a intelligent review of my political opinions as I have previously expressed in this forum would be a good place to start.

In reply to:
You don't understand that we are at war with people
who despise our way of life. We are at war with people
who despise freedom. It's that simple.


I understand better than you what is a stake and the reasons for the current situation. It has nothing to do with people being jealous of our freedoms. It has everything to do with our enemies' perceptions of the U.S. as being an empire, and supporting dictatorial regimes in their homelands, as well as our support of Isreal to the detriment of the Palestineans. If these people despise our freedom and want to take it away, it would seem that your opinions are sympathetic to their cause for in fact your opinions are in support of actions to diminish our freedoms. It would also seem that our federal government in fact should consider them to be their allies for the federal government is increasingly taking actions to diminish our freedoms.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: Evolving]
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I had a good laugh reading your post. You libbies
are so ridiculously misguided. Maybe it's time to
stop saving the whales and Palestinians and take
a look around you.

I liked your hornets thing. More libbie sophistry. It
might make sense if hornets could fly planes into
buildings. Fortunately, they cannot.

Maybe while I'm reading Thomas Paine, the great
Holocaust denier and Nazi apologist, you might want
to check out an elementary-level entomology text
book.

Also, your idea of what constitutes a 'police state' is
hilarious. Should we not have police officers? Should
we not have mailmen? Should we not have dog catchers?
Should we not have bank tellers? Why don't we just
amputate our limbs and spend all day sucking ourselves
off in the backseat of our cars? You'd love that, wouldn't
you?

I love how you drop names like George Washington
and Thomas Paine. These two men together were
responsible for hundreds of thousands, and possibly
millions of deaths. They're criminals of war. Read the
history books. This is all documented.

Go vote for Al Gore and coddle the Palestinian homicide
bombers. Your casuistry and rhetorical legerdemain
fool the 14 year old stoners but not me. You are a
common charlatan-- nothing more.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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You're post exemplified why people around the world hate Americans.
In reply to:
Maybe while I'm reading Thomas Paine, the great
Holocaust denier and Nazi apologist, you might want
to check out an elementary-level entomology text
book.


What in the hell are you talking about? Paine was alive in the 1700's, long before the Nazis and holocaust
In reply to:
These two men together were
responsible for hundreds of thousands, and possibly
millions of deaths. They're criminals of war. Read the
history books. This is all documented.

. Huh? Where is this documented?


Here's my question for you: If you are so damn willing to support this current administration and its push for dictatorial control, why are you spending time on this site while you could be enlisted in the army, helping "preserve" freedom.


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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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In reply to:
Maybe it's time to
stop saving the whales and Palestinians and take
a look around you.



Hey, its the Republican government right now in office that isn't doing shit except planning on invading the middle east to make sure they don't have weapons of mass destruction, and figuring a way to take over their country. Oh, we are just improving our "security" here in America, only because this whole thing happened because of the new foreign affairs started from Bush. I don't think that the "suicide bombers" were targeting civilians, rather the government and the Bush regime which had so many problems in the past (with foreign countries)

Why not try to alleviate the frustration and anger, resolve some problems between the countries and stop this stupid violence.

In reply to:

Go vote for Al Gore and coddle the Palestinian homicide
bombers. Your casuistry and rhetorical legerdemain
fool the 14 year old stoners but not me. You are a
common charlatan-- nothing more.



Yeah, I would have voted for Al Gore because he would have more so tried to achieve peace (maybe). Hes probably not much better than Bush IMO. But, he could have had a little more morality and a more open minded attitude. It would have been interesting to see if Gore being in office, would have changed the events of 9/11.

I do not smoke pot nor am I 14.

Maybe you should stop listening to shallow boy bands who get their songs written for them.
Why not listen to Bob Marley, or other bands which try to prove a statement. Its your ignorance of so many things in America which just gets pushed on for longer and longer. They do sing songs for a reason. Lyrics come from the heart. When you say to "stop and look around yourself", makes me sick. You're the one who is blind to so many things....sure call it domestic affairs. Its not because of the Palestinians, but, because of policies which really do make the rich richer and poor poorer. Many other things which I would want to list, but, its 12 AM.

America wouldn't be the place it is without hard working immigrants to do the dirty work. The economy doesn't just involve the upper class white men in their large companies. Immigrant workers who work for just about nothing to feed your fat ass deserve a lot more credit than you give them.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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Drugs ARE BAD, there's NOTHING GOOD ABOUT THEM except the enlightenment and that they're fun.

DAMN RIGHT. So what if the Bush Administration proposes a system to monitor the internet. Unless you're planning some major attack then what's the big deal. I wouldn't be surprised if the feds are monitoring the internet already, as long as I'm safe and they're preventing any SHIT happening, I'M HAPPY. I'm happy that tax money is gone into security instead of STUPID ASS SOCIAL PROGRAMS. A lot of nations are against Israel and when they're being constantly attacked by fucking suicide bombers. Newpapers complain on how Israelis are cruel to Arabs, Arabs are just as cruel to Israelis. Newspapers are bias and the TV news is bias. INDIVIDUALISM IS TAKEN AWAY BY Socialism and Communism and the Liberals try little by little to take away OUR RIGHTS. WELL FUCK THAT. there's a lot more to say but i got off the subject. If you can't tell, i'm against Communism/Socialism/Liberalism its all a means to a society down the drain and without freedom and freedom is what America fights for or at least what Republicans fight for.

God Bless America,
Dilauded

Edited by Dilauded (12/22/02 08:40 PM)

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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Your posts are offensive.

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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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You are friggan blind man!!!

WE americans are the ones trying to control the world. We want all countries under one nice US controlled umbrella. The Muslims just want to live in peace without our shit US values dirtying up their holy land. They dont want our land, they want us out of theirs.You are the kind of spineless sheep who will bring this country to a nuclear holicaust. With your "americanism" and thoughtless patriotism.


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Re: Bush Administration Proposes System to Monitor Internet [Re: bivalve]
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Bivalve your posts have absolutely no thought behind them.
Did your drill sargent dad just beat the shit out of you every day and molest you into thinking like this? Where the hell is the logic? Can't you grasp the fact that we can't just go around fucking with people just in the name of more resources? Or that there MAY be some serious repercussions to giving an already sketchy government even more power over us.

Yours is a path of delusional hatred.

I don't think drugs are the answer to anything, but it would certainly do you some good to get slapped on your ass and clam-baked and stop being such a loud thoughtless idiot.

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