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Brits must "compete" with migrants
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When Blair opened Britain's borders in 2004 to eastern european migrants he assured us "15,000" would come. In 2006 he was forced to admit that at least 600,000 had arrived (the true figure is unknown but certainly much higher).

In 2004 Blair assured us migrants would only be taking the vacancies "British people could not fill". In 2006 he changed his tune to "British people must compete with migrants" (Quite how a british person with a house and family is supposed to "compete" with a single migrant living 18 to one room and sending his money back to his family in Poland has yet to be explained).

Is this really the best future the free market can offer? Everyone working for the same wages as a single immigrant living 18 to one room?

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Alex213]
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If I am reading this correctly, you are telling us that you are somehow better, or entitled to a better life, than immigrants? Are you not the same person that was griping about CEOs making too much money?


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Seuss]
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Listen, the western world cannot afford to provide a better life to the rest of the world. The infrastructure and resources, such as water, are already beginning to strain.

We need to start thinking about ourselves again, or our grand children will be living in over populated cities, where water for bathing will be a luxury.

I know, I know, I am evil.


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
If I am reading this correctly, you are telling us that you are somehow better, or entitled to a better life, than immigrants? Are you not the same person that was griping about CEOs making too much money?


You arn't reading it correctly. Immigrant labour should be paid the going rate for the country they are working in. Not be used as slave labour.

I guess this is why it's been such a business priority for the last 20 years to demonise unions. They are the only thing that can save Britain from it's free-market descent into wage slavery.

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Hank, FTW]
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Hank, FTW said:
Listen, the western world cannot afford to provide a better life to the rest of the world. The infrastructure and resources, such as water, are already beginning to strain.

We need to start thinking about ourselves again, or our grand children will be living in over populated cities, where water for bathing will be a luxury.

I know, I know, I am evil.


You've got a point. Whether the UK can bear millions of eastern europeans arriving without complete social collapse is a good question and a question that presumably the free market couldn't care less about as long cheap labour boosts executive wages.

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Alex213]
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With population density comes more socialism.


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Basilides]
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Basilides said:
With population density comes more socialism.


Not sure about that. If you have millions of eastern europeans willing to work at slave labour rates if anyone tries to form a union they will be sacked, blacklisted and never work again. It's going to be particularly hard for the indigenous population forming unions with immigrant labour because the immigrants will be living 18 to one room and sending money back to their families in Poland rather than needing money to live in the UK.

But it's not hopeless. It took the unions decades to fight the robber barons 100 years ago for a decent standard of living - now it will need to be fought again.

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Alex213]
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Ok. But if you have 30 billion people on the planet, SOCIALISM is the ONLY viable option.


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Alex213]
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It wouldn't be very free market to do something about it

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Alex213]
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Alex213 said:
But it's not hopeless. It took the unions decades to fight the robber barons 100 years ago for a decent standard of living - now it will need to be fought again.


How is a union going to protect the jobs of these "native Britians" when the companies can simply hire Eastern European scabs to replace them? :lol:

Try again, pal. :smirk:


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: fireworks_god]
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Supply & Demand, yo.

Have a problem because someone else, living in much worse conditions that you are used to, is willing to work for less because they want a better life? Then either 1) find a better job, or 2) find a way to make yourself more valuable. You can't get by without increasing your skills. I'm not saying your lazy, but laziness in education and skills will never pay off.

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Alex213 said:
But it's not hopeless. It took the unions decades to fight the robber barons 100 years ago for a decent standard of living - now it will need to be fought again.


How is a union going to protect the jobs of these "native Britians" when the companies can simply hire Eastern European scabs to replace them? :lol:

Try again, pal. :smirk:


Because you can't hire east european scab labour to do every job. There isn't room in the country for a start.

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Alex213]
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Well, clearly, these jobs that they cannot be hired for are the ones that feel no threat from their presence. So, are you stating that the workers who have no threat from Eastern Europeans should form a union to protect their jobs that don't need protected? :wtf:

Where are you going with this?


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: FreedomFighter]
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FreedomFighter said:
Supply & Demand, yo.

Have a problem because someone else, living in much worse conditions that you are used to, is willing to work for less because they want a better life?


Why should they work for less? If they are doing the job they should be paid the going rate for the job, not slave labour rates.

Then either 1) find a better job, or 2) find a way to make yourself more valuable. You can't get by without increasing your skills. I'm not saying your lazy, but laziness in education and skills will never pay off.

You're missing the point. Exactly what "better job" do you think an immigrant can't do? Immigrant carpenters, mechanics, computer programmers etc will be perfectly able to do skilled work at a lower rate than the indigenous population.

Some of the most able computer programmers and graduates in the world are from the Indian sub-continent and will work for a fraction of the salary of people in the US.

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Well, clearly, these jobs that they cannot be hired for are the ones that feel no threat from their presence. So, are you stating that the workers who have no threat from Eastern Europeans should form a union to protect their jobs that don't need protected? :wtf:



Come again? What are you talking about?

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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
If I am reading this correctly, you are telling us that you are somehow better, or entitled to a better life, than immigrants? Are you not the same person that was griping about CEOs making too much money?


No, he's saying that immigrants obliterate local economies, which is definitely true, and pass costs on to the citizens of a nation. Britain for the Britons!


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Alex213]
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FreedomFighter said:
Some of the most able computer programmers and graduates in the world are from the Indian sub-continent and will work for a fraction of the salary of people in the US.


And is this best for both countries?


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Conservationist]
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In some ways, yes; in other ways, no. Clearly, it gives more money to the country when the Indians working in the US send money back to their families, and it helps lower prices in the US which helps consumers. But at the same time, it drains India of its intellectuals and college graduates as they move to other countries instead of contributing to jobs in India, while also taking jobs from Americans since the job market becomes more competitive with more candidates and therefore lower wages.

So to classify it as a black and white better or worse situation isn't valid, as there are positives and negatives that you have to balance out to get the best out of the situation.


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Re: Brits must "compete" with migrants [Re: Ravus]
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But it would be a lot better for BOTH countries if immigrant labour was paid the going rate in the country they worked in.

Incidentally, ny idea why executive salaries appear immune to immigrant labour? Surely if this is all down to "supply and demand" american executives would be seeing their salaries dropping as they were replaced by cheaper indians. Instead their salaries are going through the roof.

Is this another case of ensuring you only apply "free market" principles to the poor?

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