LRG said:

Ignore them. They'll get what is coming to them. Just walk away. Only your ego is telling you, you need to convince these people how wrong they are and make example of them.

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actually, in the case of this thread, it's politics that is making my ego want to convince these people. because there are Christians who are making their religious ideology a political endeavor, in America.

BigFudge said:

I tend to think any religion is rather misguided. It relies on the spoon-feeding of a priest class to those who believe in their authority, they present themselves as the holders of the supreme truth, dispensing their view and never giving the inkling that the mystical experience can only be lived and not learned from someone.

All these texts and stories point to something significant but it's been ridden to death by a bunch of people who want to inflate their ego, giving the impression that they have something you don't have. Needless to say most disciplines have this problem, even our glorious science. Science too has it's own particular sets of dogma that are related to this same phenomena and even if we don't like to admit it we are humans, living a subjective existence.

Objectivity as we call it tries to remove ourselves from the equation, tries to set ourselves apart from circumstance, when the truth is that we simply can't. We are the observers, we come to the conclusions and the revelations. We build the instruments and we measure, we put in the work and the effort trying to comprehend our existence.

Materialist reductionism has also done quite a number on our species, even though the products of it have been astonishing and extraordinary.
Which is to say, many people don't have a basis in reality as you call it.
Culture does this, religion does this, science does this, you name a discipline and if you look through the right set of eyes you can see the dogma, the in-group out-group mentality, the full immersion of the ego that permeates, in the very least, parts of these subjects.

This is not because the disciplines are flawed but because we as physical and mental constructs are out of touch and out of balance. Look at our collective psyche, this is what is at fault. Pointing to a text or a specific set of people doesn't get to the root of the problem. These are just symptoms.
Look at the problem holistically and one might begin to grasp what is happening.

But yeah jeepers, I think that's a long enough rant for one day xD

Have a groovy day/night people!

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Asante said:

MrBlueYoMind said:

akira_akuma said:

oh and reality:

you are God. you devour. or you don't.

you either act. or you don't.

the Tao is more accurate a philosophy, than Christianity. bar none.

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If I am God, then so is Christ.

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Christ even said "Ye are Gods, you are children of the Mosh High" and the NT is full of him indirectly saying to his apostles "no you bunch of dipsticks, dont put me on a pedestal, what I do you can do and I want you to learn to do what I can do" and they're all "noo you are the Lord, we are but worms" Jesus wants you to stop being a muggle, awaken the Divinity within and literally walk on water.

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i never said reason was above all else. you just assumed that shit because you read not into what was being said, Markos.

the logic is that all theology is just words. did God give us those words?

you can presume they came from God; but i'll presume from the stance that we defined the words, to explain the God.

your argument is specious.

when reason reaches it's apex, love raises it's zenith.

try not preaching next time before you have all the details.

PS: and who am i talking about in this thread but those "well-meaning christians".

so you'll agree that there are "well-meaning" christians but who essentially act not as christians...but then preach your nonsense to me as if i was talking about the God you defined theologically...the God that'd i'd wager is a better representation (MYSELF) over the "well-meaning" christians' God?

so where do we disagree...simply in my attitude?

well, i'll correct you...you don't know me, and you don't know shit about me.
all i said was the same thing you just postulated, in so many words.

i just didn't care how i came across.

The Blind Ass said:

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There is no longer a separate ego to which conditions can be compared or quantified, and yet such domains exist and transcend the level of mind that concocted your complaint in the first place.

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viktor said:

See, your problem is that you haven't read enough books.

We all know that spiritual progress is best measured by how many books you have read.

Have you read as many books as me and Markos? No you have not.

Therefore, you simply cannot be an authority on spiritual matters.

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lol.
i lol'd.

i read lots of books. right now i'm reading Mason & Dixon, it's got pretty much everything from astrology, astronomy, geography, History (in terms of people and places), literary 16th century writing, a motif of entropy and the philosophy of time, spirituality, magic and occult, comedy, religion (all the sects of New England, and their Historical ties to one another), and the list goes on and on.

also Categorizing the Occult: Magical Traditions and Their Meaning, and the Corpus Hermeticum...i had these tracts laying around, finally decided to start on them, after reading The Chemical Art by Marsilius Ficinus, and elsewise, from the same editor...Sonic Occultism...started Dante's Inferno not too long ago (i got pulled away from it around canto 20-something, got reinvigorate my motivation to finish it up), got the Futhark on the way, and next up, Black Fez Manifesto by Hakim Bey....

i read quite a bit.
but still lol i see what you did there. (Markos loves his academia...you know, he's REAL smart, so i MUST listen to him. dude THEOLOGY.)

PeyoteZen said:

Can't we just be Christians? Do you really hate God that much?

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i don't hate God. i don't even hate Christians. people i don't hate. their ideals, i don't necessarily hate them for having them... but...their ideas, are sometimes crude and unfounded. and when they effect other people's lives, when other people are harming no one, or impeding on no one, i will make a stand.

you've called Pagans Satan worshippers before...so your pleading is really kind of a smoke-screen. when you call Pagan's Satan worshippers and you conflate the likes of Pizzagate elitism with Paganism, because of your unfounded ideas (or propaganda), i will take a stand.