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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
oh and reality:

you are God. you devour. or you don't.

you either act. or you don't.

the Tao is more accurate a philosophy, than Christianity. bar none.


If I am God, then so is Christ.


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Confucius say: He who sticks drugs in butthole has head up ass. 


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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MrBlueYoMind said:
akira_akuma said:
oh and reality:

you are God. you devour. or you don't.

you either act. or you don't.

the Tao is more accurate a philosophy, than Christianity. bar none.


If I am God, then so is Christ.


and there you have it. if he really did exist, well, that is just it, you've GOT IT.

that is what Christ preached. read your Bible carefully.

all the new testament stories are from fucking farmers (and the like...normal people!) and they had their OWN personal experiences with Christ...THAT'S THE POINT!

:whyyy:

and yet people, Christians! still want to ACCUSE people of being EVIL for not believing in THEIR BELIEFS...WHYYY?

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Arent you accusing Christians (your thread title) as well?

Pot callin the kettle, man


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: SirTripAlot]
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no it isn't.

it's the "pot" calling out the Christians who want to subjugate people to their own beliefs, ignoring the fact that it's individual beliefs that are important.

and then calling out the fact that Christians (obviously not all of them) will try to use logic to defend irrational positions! like "being Gay is a sin". NO IT'S NOT.

but they'll try and rationalize that retarded belief.

and Christians should be accused, just like they accuse other people. you do NOT TURN THE OTHER CHEEK. that notion has CLEARLY been upended, and it's true, you shouldn't. why let your opponents win, if they want to stick you with a knife? carry your own knife, fuck turning the other cheek. and, certainly, on the Christian-right, they have finally learned this, but they, like in a typical fashion, want to make enemies out of just about anyone...if we were in the Middle East, they'd be rounding people up, probably. lucky we're not.

and the LIBERAL CHRISTIANS, they'd be persecuted too. for not believing in the dogma of the more powerful factions within the faith, they'd be upended to! the real
Christians, the non-charlatans!

Edited by akira_akuma (02/25/17 10:24 PM)

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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If we are all God, and therefor Christ is God, and he was killed for making this claim, then it only suggests siding with Christ is the correct thing to do.  Maybe you are conflating Catholicism with Christianity?


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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no, it doesn't. because then you're allowing that he should have been crucified.

"forgive them, they know not what they do", rings true.

if we are all God, and therefor Christ is God, and he was killed for making this claim, then it suggests that you should side with yourself.

Catholics is another matter altogether. they suck worse. yeah. :shrug: but Christians all the same, everywhere, all want to play the fucking martyr. it's STUPID. and they are inveigled, either by whim, or by authorities (principalities) to then see those they don't align with as the next Pontius, even if that person is just simply a non-Christian.

it's deceptive. it's retarded.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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If we are all God, and therefor Christ is God, and he was killed for making this claim, then it suggests that you should side with TRUTH.  Which means siding with Christ as well.  Especially against people who would have you point a certain direction when you pray or make you visit a tourist spot in order to prove your worth or require you to mutilate your infant's genitalia or require you to spill blood in the form of sacrifice.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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no one is fucking talking about Muslims here, WTF ARE TALKING ABOUT?

Muslims are more retarded than any Christian, when it comes to them trying to rationalize their ridiculous beliefs.

THE TRUTH HAS ALREADY BEEN GIVEN TO YOU. YOU ARE CHRIST. PERIOD.

keep denying the FUCKING OBVIOUS, or go read your fucking Bible more closely.

you can side with Christ...i never said otherwise...but siding with Christ does not change the fact that YOU are THE TRUTH. his crucifixion did not forestall the people from committing to SIN, did it? NO, IT DIDN'T.

and CHRISTIANS, SO-CALLED, keep trying to cast the first stone, when they are told THE FUCKING TRUTH.

WHAT STAIN.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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You seem to be claiming that existence is limited to the physical world and anything beyond that must therefore equal non-existence? This would imply that practical knowledge is the only kind of knowledge, which is a problem, because logic and reason afaik cannot exist without some a-priori postulates that ultimately rely on a type of faith (or revelation). You said that logic needs to be grounded in order to have value, and I agree, but how much grounding is there in a world of constant change, where we need faith just to believe that our senses accurately represent reality? What we call the physical world is, I think, more like a projection of consciousness, and so any evidence of logic we might find here is only a degenerate reflection of logic, not the thing itself. If there is such a thing as pure reason then it originates in consciousness, prior to its physical manifestation. Jesus literally did nothing wrong.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: tHEfLY]
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tHEfLY said:
You seem to be claiming that existence is limited to the physical world and anything beyond that must therefore equal non-existence?


no, i didn't, read my thread more carefully. i said cosmic forces exist, and spiritual forces exist. you must have missed that part.

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This would imply that practical knowledge is the only kind of knowledge, which is a problem, because logic and reason afaik cannot exist without some a-priori postulates that ultimately rely on a type of faith (or revelation).


faith isn't required for knowledge. a-priori postulates are not faith, they are logically derived.

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You said that logic needs to be grounded in order to have value, and I agree, but how much grounding is there in a world of constant change, where we need faith just to believe that our senses accurately represent reality?


you don't need faith for that. you don't need to believe that your senses accurately represent reality, in fact, you shouldn't believe that at all. ESPECIALLY if you're a Christian, you shouldn't believe that...what Christians claim is that God has a plan and he runs things...so as a Christian, you shouldn't believe that your senses are the truth at all. :shrug:

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What we call the physical world is, I think, more like a projection of consciousness, and so any evidence of logic we might find here is only a degenerate reflection of logic, not the thing itself. If there is such a thing as pure reason then it originates in consciousness, prior to its physical manifestation. Jesus literally did nothing wrong.


sure, he did nothing wrong. i never claimed he did anything wrong, of course. in fact, even in a secular sense, he did everything right. i'm not claiming that people should run the world like some kind of farm or something, but his notions were postulated with truth in mind. money is crap. sinners cast the first stone (like calling people who aren't Christians Satanists). the priest class is crap. worshipping people is crap.

everything is projected. that's why YOU ARE GOD.

if you don't realize that, you're projecting a future in which you devour yourself, and in that end, you don't even know you're doing it.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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I was pointing towards different beliefs that are found in the world, not just Islam.  Ritual blood/human sacrifice occurs/occurred throughout the world.  Orthodox Judaism sucks the blood off an infants freshly mutilated penis.  But by all means say Christians have no basis in reality, despite Christ standing against these things and you admit he would be God (under the presumption he lived) and the purpose of his death representing an end to these things.  No basis in reality, it's not like these things still occur among groups who deny his teachings.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Akira, when 3 billion christians say Jesus is a thing, he becomes a thing, retroactively, even if he weren't originally.



the thing he becomes is the god of a cult


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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no, i didn't say his death represented ANYTHING. that's a bunch of BULLSHIT.

and Pagan's also practiced the renouncing those whom made blood sacrifices; take an anthropology course. Christ wasn't the first or only one.

but since you are completely blinded by your faith, you can't even see the forest for the trees. i am telling you the truth, and you are consistently going to bring up other religions...we're not talking about those religions; they are just stupid, but we are not discussing them...but that's all you have to keep your blindfold over your eyes, diversion, and ignorance.

Prisoner#1 said:
Asante said:
Akira, when 3 billion christians say Jesus is a thing, he becomes a thing, retroactively, even if he weren't originally.



the thing he becomes is the god of a cult



ding ding ding ding ding, we have a winner!

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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no, i didn't, read my thread more carefully. i said cosmic forces exist, and spiritual forces exist. you must have missed that part.


Ok, but that was how I interpreted this:

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yes, manifest, at the very least, as mind-stuff, which in turn forms into material reality. material reality needs a firm basis in facts, which are couched in logic, that logic which needs a firm basis in reality, reality defined as things that actually exists.


What do you mean by "things that actually exist"? What are those things, in your opinion?

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aith isn't required for knowledge. a-priori postulates are not faith, they are logically derived.


Logically derived from what though? Not sense experience:

"relating to or denoting reasoning or knowledge which proceeds from theoretical deduction rather than from observation or experience."

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YOU ARE GOD


I think we all share God's essence, but that's not the same as actually being God.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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K

I was suggesting you admitted he would be God if he existed.

If you claim all people are God while simultaneously thinking a person being killed for claiming to be God by people who perform ritual sacrifices to god is just meaningless BULLSHIT, then you are out of touch with reality.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
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What do you mean by "things that actually exist"? What are those things, in your opinion?


i can resort the simple example of animal homosexuality. :shrug: there is your answer. infer from that.

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Logically derived from what though? Not sense experience:

"relating to or denoting reasoning or knowledge which proceeds from theoretical deduction rather than from observation or experience."


no, senses and perception is the thing that i am acknowledging as the problem.

and to answer your question: logically derived from rationality.

you obviously don't think the Westburo Baptist church are being rational, do you? but the thing is, they believe they ARE rational. they believe they follow the true word of God. you don't find that problematic?

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I think we all share God's essence, but that's not the same as actually being God.


i think it's EXACTLY the same difference.

MrBlueYoMind said:
K

I was suggesting you admitted he would be God if he existed.

If you claim all people are God while simultaneously thinking a person being killed for claiming to be God by people who perform ritual sacrifices to god is just meaningless BULLSHIT, then you are out of touch with reality.


i never said that. you can understand the words that are coming out of my hands.

you say i said "it's bullshit; that his sacrifice was meaningless"; but i never said that. what I SAID was that acting like a martyr is a bullshit cop-out to put oneself in JESUS'S SHOES (so to speak...sandals...whatever!).

you said: "the purpose of his death represents an end to these things" (paraphrasing)

1: a representation, or actuality? HUH? which is it?
2: if the purpose of his death was to end these things, why do they still occur?

it's a cult mentality that you have. which is why you can't even HEAR the truth.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Christ is one who lived to teach and live of the way of kindness,  forgiveness and love with wisdom, something that is timeless and not bound to any thing : no man, no religion, no time era, nothing.
the moral christian today is its bane, yet what can we do to those who do not know truth because they are ignorant?  All while remembering a consideration is made from the place where the ground of being encompasses all beings and not just those who are "awake" or "asleep" or fluttering in between like restless dreamers.
It accepts all, lacking in discrimination, and so being one with that all is primordially pure, both the saints and sinners from the tiniest insect to the galaxies of space.

How can you hate that, especially when that is me and you?  Sounds as benevolent as can be.


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Give me Liberty caps or give me Death caps.

Edited by The Blind Ass (02/26/17 12:00 AM)

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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i'm not talking about Christ. i'm talking about CHRISTIANS. not Christ. i have a picture of Christ right outside my bedroom door. go figure!

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yet what can we do to those who do not know truth because they are ignorant?


yeah, so help me the fuck out then!

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It accepts all, lacking in discrimination, and so being one with that all is primordially pure, both the saints and sinners from the tiniest insect to the galaxies of space.


and yet Christians insist on discriminating! that's the point!

:facepalm: can't you people READ?

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How can you hate that, especially when that is me and you?


what the dogshit are you talking about?

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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The point is by pointing that out you miss the point even further, and in doing so actually end up standing in the very crowd you stone.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
The point is by pointing that out you miss the point even further, and in doing so actually end up standing in the very crowd you stone.


i'm not stoning anyone. Christians are throwing stones, not i.

pointing WHAT out? that Christians are discriminating that certain people are Satanists because they don't believe like they believe? discriminating against gays? (saying being gay goes hand-in-hand with pedophilia? you've seen Milo whatever get shafted by CPAC, right?)

WTF are you talking about?

pointing out that CHRISTIANS are not being CHRIST-LIKE, while expecting non-christians to be Christ-like?

what the fuck!?

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