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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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oh so you and i are in agreement, but you just thought you'd try and make me your opponent because i point out the faults of the religious within the religion. :rolleyes:

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What can be known by any pointing out, when the point lies beyond the pointing and the pointed out?



why do Christians claim that being gay is a sin?

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Misunderstanding, due to human nature.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Deathby69]
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Deathby69 said:
No right-wing Christian ever forced me to anoint with oil. But leftist charlatans posing as scientists banned the only type of inhaler that helped my elderly mom’s asthma, because the act of her going “puff puff” so she wouldn’t die was bringing about the end of days, while Al Gore’s totally unnecessary private jet oddly had no effect on the environment.

That’s science? No, that’s an Indian rain dance.

There are so many additional ways in which the left embraces superstition and rejects science as much as, if not more than, conservative Christians. During the election last year, leftists attacked Trump for suggesting that intelligence has a genetic component, even though, according to every legitimate expert on the subject, intelligence has a genetic component. Trump had not claimed that intelligence is determined by race; he had only suggested that genetics play a part. And overnight, the notion of a genetic role in intelligence went from undisputed fact to heresy, all because Pope Huffington issued a papal bull(shit) declaring that Trump’s belief that genes contribute to intelligence “may be the most horrible thing that Donald Trump believes.”

Expect more superstitious nonsense from leftists in the years to come, because if leftists have demon-haunted minds, Trump is the ghost rattling around inside, clouding all judgment and giving rise to visions and fever dreams. Undeservedly famous leftist comedians are seeing signs and wonders. Sarah Silverman’s phantom pavement swastikas were nothing more than the leftist-Jewish version of seeing Jesus in a tortilla.

Silverman’s response after being told that her “swastikas” were simple construction markers boiled down to “I’ve been driven to lunacy by Trump’s anti-Semitism.” In other words, she’s possessed; a demon made her do it.

These days, the left has no moral high ground over the religious right. In fact, I’d take a conservative Christian over a demon-haunted leftist any day, because at least conservative Christians admit that their beliefs are faith-based. They don’t go around screaming “science! science! science!” while drinking sacrificial goats’ blood Santeria-style because the rain gods are angry.

I have nothing against people of faith. But hypocrites? They piss me off like a sonofabitch.



good post. at least, finally, you've said something worthwhile.

but i've never claimed to be a scientist or into scientism, i that's what you're claiming.

also, logic isn't faith based. that's why using logic to try and justify the absurd (being gay is a sin) is ridiculous. like i said.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
Misunderstanding, due to human nature.



*due to dogma.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Wrong.  The problem is not contained within or concerned with words and letters.

The core of christian dogma is clear.


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Edited by The Blind Ass (02/26/17 01:36 AM)

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
Wrong.  The problem is not contained within or concerned with words and letters.



yes, it is. it's contained in words, and it's contained in misconceptions about what is being said, heard, or told in the written word.

sort of like the mainstream media.

but now you're just arguing semantics. which is fine, but...you said due to misunderstanding, which is due to human nature, makes christians claim that being gay is a sin, right?

and you say that christian dogma has nothing to do with that human nature...? even though christians, according to the very faith they lay claim to, believe that their God is the source of human nature?

how do you reconcile those statements?

???

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Hey, when its worth the effort, I go all out. :thumbup:


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Deathby69]
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Deathby69 said:
Hey, when its worth the effort, I go all out. :thumbup:



well, good. but then again, i don't think any of what you said applies to me, and it's kind of off-topic, but i'll just ignore that for now.

also, i've never claimed to be a scientist or into scientism, if that's what you were getting at...i have my own spiritual beliefs.

and also, logic isn't faith based. that's why using logic to try and justify the absurd (being gay is a sin) is ridiculous. like i said already.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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The word Illusion comes to mind.  Because of that phenomena I believe it can be seen incorrectly for what it is not and be taken to be true.  They are not separate.  Both human nature and god, a slight misnomer to say its a false dichotomy but its illustrative enough to say so if you follow.

You set yourself up by discriminating between the two, the spoiled mind mistakes this unity for duality.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
The word Illusion comes to mind.  Because of that phenomena I believe it can be seen incorrectly for what it is not and be taken to be true.  They are not separate.  Both human nature and god, a slight misnomer to say its a false dichotomy but its illustrative enough to say so if you follow.

You set yourself up by discriminating between the two, the spoiled mind mistakes this unity for duality.



all you're saying here is that God is as irrational as human beings.

that's more of that absurdity again! :lol:

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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I am not qualified to say what is irrational or absurd in this universe, especially when about such things as that.  I do not have pure vision or contemplation at all times, so I am in effect like the blind, unseeing in that totality, and like the ass, dumb to the majority of the opposite of ignorance.


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Edited by The Blind Ass (02/26/17 01:46 AM)

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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that's right, you're not qualified. no one is. so why did you say what you said?

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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I do not know.  For the love and for the mystery if I had to guess, human nature.


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Edited by The Blind Ass (02/26/17 01:49 AM)

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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human nature is not predicated on ignorance, nor error, nor sin.

Jesus H. Christ...that's what you're getting at isn't it? that human nature is predicated on ignorance and error.... :facepalm:

well, Jesus would disagree, at least, according to all the texts i've read, and i've read quite alot, even the Gnostic texts.

all i see is Jesus claiming the opposite. that humanity is God's perfect creation, in His image, and it's only because we live in a carnal realm that sin and error and ignorance effect us so.

you don't want to admit contradiction in your words, do you?

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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You misunderstood me.  I am not getting at that human nature is predicated on ignorance and error, far from it actually, although those things you mentioned are also included as part of its effulgence.

The kingdom of heaven is at hand he says so poetically.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Contradiction can only happen at a conventional level, so obviously over the course of time my words will appear to be that.  But to be caught on the words like that!? How awful when the truth lies plain in sight, even with words that contradict on a superficial level.  Isnt it a shame that a word cant tell you more than words can say?

Primal awareness is nondual and super inclusive , like the space of the universe, even to contradictions.

My point is you are missing the point, and in doing so essentially get sold dog meat advertising itself as filet mignonette.

Funny enough sin means - to miss the point, as in the way an archer misses his target.

You confuse man made law and niche moral judgement for the real thing.

You also see that in others and become impassioned, both right and wrong.

You win. 

Edited by The Blind Ass (02/26/17 02:16 AM)

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
You misunderstood me.  I am not getting at that human nature is predicated on ignorance and error, far from it actually, although those things you mentioned are also included as part of its effulgence.

The kingdom of heaven is at hand he says so poetically.



you mean what some random indiscriminate scribe postulated he said.

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Contradiction can only happen at a conventional level, so obviously over the course of time my words will appear to be that.  But to be caught on the words like that!? How awful when the truth lies plain in sight, even with words that contradict on a superficial level.  Isnt it a shame that a word cant tell you more than words can say?



what's a shame is that Christians believe absurd things and then run with it, because they think they can impart logic into their decisions, and have their beliefs be rational and explained, within the context of a spiritual proclamation about the nature of mankind's perfection/purpose, from an identification with "God"- an identification that's attributed to the notion that they can understand "God" based on what the Bible says...WITH WORDS.

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Primal awareness is nondual.




and yet, it's claimed to be, when Christians claim to know what "God" wants.

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My point is you are missing the point, and in doing so essentially get sold dog meat advertising itself as filet mignonette.



that's you, friendo.

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Funny enough sin means - to miss the point, as in the way an archer misses his target.



"hata" is not "sin", though. two different etymologies. a closer definition would be Error, truly. and you're committing to it.

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You confuse man made law and niche moral judgements for the real thing.



um, i haven't even commented on "man made law". and what's the real thing? where? show me.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Yes, yes ... you win akira.  good night friend, get some rest.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
Yes, yes ... you win akira.  good night friend, get some rest.



another attempt to logic people to death with beliefs, with two diametrically opposed concepts, failed.

good day.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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be careful, you might forget to think if your being too logical. good day.


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Edited by The Blind Ass (02/26/17 02:32 AM)

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