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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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you have been caught by mara's gaze young one.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
you have been caught by mara's gaze young one.


the universe's primary action is destruction, and following the aftermath, then creation.
(Christ was DESTROYED, then he was RENEWED through CREATION...READ YOUR BIBLE)

i am Mara. i am here to give you the truth.

and you all throw stones, and then try to rationalize it...just like i said you all would, in the OP.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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:regretthumbsup:


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
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What do you mean by "things that actually exist"? What are those things, in your opinion?


i can resort the simple example of animal homosexuality. :shrug: there is your answer. infer from that.

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Logically derived from what though? Not sense experience:

"relating to or denoting reasoning or knowledge which proceeds from theoretical deduction rather than from observation or experience."


no, senses and perception is the thing that i am acknowledging as the problem.

and to answer your question: logically derived from rationality.

you obviously don't think the Westburo Baptist church are being rational, do you? but the thing is, they believe they ARE rational. they believe they follow the true word of God. you don't find that problematic?


Animal homosexuality doesn't exist in the same way that rationality exists though. One refers to observation of the physical world, the other to pure intellect. This is the problem that I saw in the OP: On one hand you're saying that logic needs to be grounded in reality, ie through sense experience, and then on the other you're saying that actually it's grounded in rationality, ie through speculative reason. I thought you were equating speculative reason with nothingness, but maybe I missed your point, or we're talking about different things. I don't really care about the Westburo Baptist church, being irrational has never been limited to one group.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
:regretthumbsup:


good job, Rationalization Man.

now run away.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Boggita snogarooooooog


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  we could all use a little more sunshine.

:shrug: yeah, she's funny and somewhat interesting.  not a beauty queen, but not bad lookin.  i'd feel quite honored to fuck janine garofalo. -tiny_rabid_birds

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: tHEfLY]
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tHEfLY said:
Animal homosexuality doesn't exist in the same way that rationality exists though. One refers to observation of the physical world, the other to pure intellect. This is the problem that I saw in the OP: On one hand you're saying that logic needs to be grounded in reality, ie through sense experience, and then on the other you're saying that actually it's grounded in rationality, ie through speculative reason. I thought you were equating speculative reason with nothingness, but maybe I missed your point, or we're talking about different things. I don't really care about the Westburo Baptist church, being irrational has never been limited to one group.


you're missing the point, but you're closer still.

animal homosexuality is an example i used to show that the Christian reasoning that endeavors that "being gay is a sin", is wrong, because it can be shown to be wrong.

logic needs to be grounded in LOGIC. that's WHAT LOGIC IS.

reality is mere a consensus of objective facts, and subjective notions. it is NOT solely based in the senses...do you sense your thought? no, you don't.

and no, not on the "the other hand", am i saying that logic is based on rationality. rationality is based on rationality. logic is based on logic. both are twain, when you're speaking TRUTH. but they can both be separated.

this is what alot of christians don't do...use both, twain, to come to their conclusions...hence you get absurd notions. that's why there are so many different sects of Christianity. but you don't want to admit that? or do you?

speculative reasoning is the only thing you have in this non-spiritual plane. can you understand God? can you understand the spiritual planes of existence? no you can't. you can only have faith. THAT'S THE POINT. you don't KNOW. so people claiming that "being gay is a sin" (for example) are forgetting the fact that they can't form a logical, and rational, opinion based on that reasoning, because it's simply NOT reasonable. (and are "throwing the first stones")

and it is based on nothingness. you can't define the spiritual in human terms, and when you try, it comes out absurd and nonsensical. so what i'm saying is, save the spiritual for the spiritual (THE INDIVIDUAL'S BELIEFS), and use the rational and logical and reasonable for THIS PLANET WE EXIST ON NOW and for what is OUTSIDE OF THE INDIVIDUALS OWN MIND AND BELIEFS.

but no one gives a FLYING FUCK. you'd all rather devour the messenger, because you must beware the messenger. it tells of news that you don't desire.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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The secret to Christianity is that its the Christians, themselves, who killed Jesus and persecute his followers, even today. They repeat their Satanic bloodletting ritual symbolically, enslaving and crucifying the Lamb, to be redeemed of their terrible sins. It's some twisted evil shit.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said:
The secret to Christianity is that its the Christians, themselves, who killed Jesus and persecute his followers, even today. They repeat their Satanic bloodletting ritual symbolically, enslaving and crucifying the Lamb, to be redeemed of their terrible sins. It's some twisted evil shit.


of course that's, ya know, the Synagogue of Satan. :satan: ooooooo

but they don't want to listen...i'm trying to help them. honestly so i can help myself, i don't want them to persecute anyone else any further- the churches are vast, but it's been in need of reform since...ooo...since before the Medieval Age.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
...i'm trying to help them.



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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: PatrickKn]
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good song. too bad people would listen to it and nod, and then go and tell me that i should respect Jesus for being killed.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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What christian teaching says being gay is a sin?
Even you say it is opposite to what the christ teaching is, so to say it is christians who are propagating it does whate exactly?  Other than draw my attention to the fact that It must mean they as individuals lack personal understanding of the god-self-nature-mind-teaching / whatever you want to call the nameless / which comes from direct experience and not scriptures or men of higher authority.

Knowing its the individuals own blindness to the facts of nature, why then do you blame christianity for it? A nonliving thing which only serves to keep alive the remembrance of the universal mystic within all beings?Without mans spirit it is like an empty and abandoned building, like a carcass or a shell.

I just think your method for what your getting at is childish or distasteful and it causes more harm than good, doing good would take more skillful means to elucidate your intention, observations, and goal and with a touch of compassionate kindness you may even have others listen with full attention and not kick up dust to further obscure or divide.


Do you not fault and hate on Trump for the very same thing?  Now look at you - its almost like you have taken a liking to him on some level because your doing the same thing, only in this regard and on a more specific and localized level.

That bothers you doesnt it?

Well...I guess this is the shroomery pub forum and I can't expect enlightenment to unfold here in anyway that I would venture to say I understand, but that doesn't stop it from happening.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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What christian teaching says being gay is a sin?


i dunno, you tell me. tell me why people believe it is, and why they defend the notion to the ends of absurdity.

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Even you say it is opposite to what the christ teaching is, so to say it is christians who are propagating it does whate exactly?


i dunno, you tell me. how should i know, i didn't build the fucking thing.

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which comes from direct experience


bingo. so we disagree where?

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Knowing its the individuals own blindness to the facts of nature, why then do you blame christianity for it?


blame Christianity?
i never did any such thing.
i said it was Christians...not Christianity...that promotes such things.

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A nonliving thing which only serves to keep alive the remembrance of the universal mystic within all beings?


haven't done anything of the sort.

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Without mans spirit it is like an empty and abandoned building, like a carcass or a shell.


show me the spirit.
otherwise, i'll stick to my own beliefs on the intellect of the mind of "God".

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I just think your method for what your getting at is childish or distasteful and it causes more harm than good, doing good would take more skillful means to elucidate your intention, observations, and goal and with a touch of compassionate kindness you may even have others listen with full attention and not kick up dust to further obscure or divide.


that is a Christian work. not mine. i wasn't childish or distasteful in any of my posts, from yesterday... https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24116649/fpart/1/vc/1

show me where i was childish or distasteful. point it out to me.

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Do you not fault and hate on Trump for the very same thing? 


wtf? i fault Trump? WHAT? when the fuck have i faulted Trump, all i've ever said about him is that he's doing a good job so far. :confused: i think you're confused, and now you've just rubbed it off on me. fault Trump...never happened. i've been consistent on my stance on Trump. he's doing fine enough as it is. it's his proponents i don't agree with, on many issues...not all. some i'm on board with (like bringing jobs back from overseas, ect)

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Now look at you - its almost like you have taken a liking to him on some level because your doing the same thing, only in this regard and on a more specific and localized level.


:shrug: i don't know if you get what i'm getting at, but...so? so i'm being like Trump? cool.

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That bothers you doesnt it?


what bothers me? that you think i'm like Trump? that doesn't bother me. see: OP- for what bothers me.

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Well...I guess this is the shroomery pub forum and I can't expect enlightenment to unfold here in anyway that I would venture to say I understand, but that doesn't stop it from happening.


well, we can try.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Great thread,
akira! Don't let anyone say your trying too hard, buddy. You still got edge  galore!!
Woo how, akira to the rescue!!


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Deathby69]
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failpost with no substance. good Christian response.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Deathby69] * 1
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He said show me the spirit...:rofl:

I am afraid I cannot sell you water in good faith, because you stand in a river of it.

it is like a magical illusion, It is absent- yet - apparent, always already binding us primordially whether we know it or not. 

Who is asking the question?  can you point it out,  the source of awareness prior to picking and choosing.



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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Failthread from a comical whiteknight shitheel who takes himself far too seriously. Defining reality for everyone. That's rich!


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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The Blind Ass said:
He said show me the spirit...:rofl:

I am afraid I cannot sell you water in good faith, because you stand in a river of it.


you're still crassly unable to see the point.

you can't show me the spirit. that's the point. you can't. so why are you trying to tell me about it?

the spirit of God is in the mind (where it stays) and you people are so stuck in the mud of your ways, that you can't even see when you agree with someone, just because that person has given you a true perspective on the notion of spirit.

you're so blind, you're insatiable.

Deathby69 said:
Failthread from a comical whiteknight shitheel who takes himself far too seriously. Defining reality for everyone. That's rich!


you're the shitheel. LOL

i'm not defining reality. what a rehab. :lol:

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it is like a magical illusion, both absent- yet - apparent, always already binding us primordially weather we know it or not.


it's in the mind...and it stays in the mind.

it's not an illusion. it's certainly not in the air. it's not around you, nor is it inside you. it's inside your mind. you can't access it, because it's already everything that it is.


keep laughing, Sparky.

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Who is asking the question?  can you point it out,  the source of awareness prior to picking and choosing.


what question? try responding to something with rationality.
no one, from i can tell, is asking a question. i am TELLING you something. not questioning anything.

can i point out the source?

i can't even lay a finger on the source, lest it disappears.

can you?

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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The mind is the spirit of god, transparent and empty of substance yet endowed with primordial wisdom, this body is its temple and that of natures and that of the mind.  Like the space which is contained within a cell.

What can be revealed by a web of speculative concepts? The mind's imputations are our mental constructs
and even if absolute emptiness could be evoked, we are left only with belief in the natural state oi being.
What can be known by any pointing out, when the point lies beyond the pointing and the pointed out?


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: The Blind Ass]
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No right-wing Christian ever forced me to anoint with oil. But leftist charlatans posing as scientists banned the only type of inhaler that helped my elderly mom’s asthma, because the act of her going “puff puff” so she wouldn’t die was bringing about the end of days, while Al Gore’s totally unnecessary private jet oddly had no effect on the environment.

That’s science? No, that’s an Indian rain dance.

There are so many additional ways in which the left embraces superstition and rejects science as much as, if not more than, conservative Christians. During the election last year, leftists attacked Trump for suggesting that intelligence has a genetic component, even though, according to every legitimate expert on the subject, intelligence has a genetic component. Trump had not claimed that intelligence is determined by race; he had only suggested that genetics play a part. And overnight, the notion of a genetic role in intelligence went from undisputed fact to heresy, all because Pope Huffington issued a papal bull(shit) declaring that Trump’s belief that genes contribute to intelligence “may be the most horrible thing that Donald Trump believes.”

Expect more superstitious nonsense from leftists in the years to come, because if leftists have demon-haunted minds, Trump is the ghost rattling around inside, clouding all judgment and giving rise to visions and fever dreams. Undeservedly famous leftist comedians are seeing signs and wonders. Sarah Silverman’s phantom pavement swastikas were nothing more than the leftist-Jewish version of seeing Jesus in a tortilla.

Silverman’s response after being told that her “swastikas” were simple construction markers boiled down to “I’ve been driven to lunacy by Trump’s anti-Semitism.” In other words, she’s possessed; a demon made her do it.

These days, the left has no moral high ground over the religious right. In fact, I’d take a conservative Christian over a demon-haunted leftist any day, because at least conservative Christians admit that their beliefs are faith-based. They don’t go around screaming “science! science! science!” while drinking sacrificial goats’ blood Santeria-style because the rain gods are angry.

I have nothing against people of faith. But hypocrites? They piss me off like a sonofabitch.


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