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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Lucis]
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i wanted to share my opinion, and have a discussion, about the rationale people use to impart their beliefs on the world, and in a lot of instances, force their opinions down people's throats, based on ridiculous notions that have no logical backing, and that are only based on fairy tales and hokum. such as "God is in control!"

no, that isn't true at all.

but i'd like to discuss why people think they can construe that as logical, based on the fact that they believe in it so strongly. i don't think christians should do that; nor do i think they should be running a free country; too risky.

things like the pervading notion that "Sex is a mortal sin", for one example, out of many.

things like that ^ are untenable...yet christians always want to tout that their reasoning for believing such things, are based in logic and rationality, when it's bereft of it entirely. the logic breaks down completely. same goes for the notion that "the christan God is the true God".

yeah, people say these things, and try to argue that it's true, when there is literally and absolutely no way of that being true, and then use that belief to try and justify their actions, and instincts about the world. the notion is a lie, a convenient lie to try and control people. that's all it is.

christians try to rationalize their bigotry and their fears about their moral quandaries, with logic, logic which has no place in their beliefs, because their beliefs are not rational.

i don't think it's smart to allow a political force that thinks the crazy things christians believe to try and settle anything with logic, regarding those beliefs, because those beliefs are inherently unsound to begin with, and logic doesn't fit into them; regardless how hard one tries to make their beliefs make sense, they just don't. i don't want them running the country, nor do i want their propaganda-laden political movements to seduce young people into losing their rational mind.

in a sense, christianity poisons the rational minds logic with unsound beliefs, which essentially make christians unable to logical rule their mind, and thus unable to make a logical stance, or take logical station, for anyone in anyway, within any kind of command structure, let alone, any kind of debate.

as soon as their beliefs enter the debate it becomes quite obvious that they are not rational...i fear, that it goes so far as to completely taint the minds logical faculties, if one holds the beliefs that christians tend to hold, within the majority of the religion.

Edited by akira_akuma (02/25/17 02:18 AM)

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. *DELETED* [Re: Lucis] * 1
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Edited by Lucis (02/25/17 02:16 AM)

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Lucis]
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He maybe has never known a true christian - or noticed them, that must be why. Their meek and not squeaky wheels.

I cannot blame him, they are rare indeed.  But if or when you do befriend someone who is you'll forever be happier, for they are a friend truly.

There is a fallacy in your argument that I cannot mutter in a word I know, but its there.  The expressed hostility towards Christians you display needs to be checked with remembering that it is someone aka people  who happen through birth, or fortuitous circumstances in life to practice christs teaching - as they know it best as was written long ago and largely obscured and then kept in ritual and ceremony & word and translated & expressed by an organized clergy within organized places on earth and their facilities and structures - which happens to be the outer way...there is also a more direct way , which is to become it or stop not being it way , which is mainly left to the monks who stay private and less often clergy and lay people too -  that part happens to be the inner way.

For some reason you don't fault the human condition, the mind, or the individual- or more accuratly -  ignorance itself

But you do fault an entire religion - which is a construct of man which serves to keep alive the Mystic in our species because of their knowing - often it is abused and serves to keep alive the very things which the mystic teaches from the universal heart and mind of man.
  Those abuses or "wrongs" you see in religion Its not exclusive to religion, its a part of human nature, so regardless if there is religion or no religion the vast majority of people for the time being will display the things you hate and dislike and find fault with in whatever form is set for them to cloth it within -  be it Christianity, buddhism, atheism, any intellectual construct there is will be used by the man when he is asleep to his true nature.


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. *DELETED* [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
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dude, learn to respect other people's opinions, or, if at the very least, bring a counter-argument to the fore.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Your a puppet, I really don't have to


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
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puppet? of Satan?

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Just an idiot, hope that shows up in your dictionary


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Who says this op? You or him?..


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: zZZz]
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Mormons,scientology,Christian scientists and people like that are alot crazier


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
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SyzygisticSoul said:
Just an idiot, hope that shows up in your dictionary


and now we see the majestic Lummox in his natural butthurt....

could you quit de-railing my thread and flaming. it's getting old.

Seriously_trippin said:
Mormons,scientology,Christian scientists and people like that are alot crazier


they all use logic for things that aren't rational.

it's like if i tried to logically explain to you how crystals make people lucky, through energy fields.

it's just not going to work.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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So basically everyone who argues that Islam is a bunk culture thinks Christianity is totally fine.

Wanna know how the middle east came to suck so bad?


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Bozko]
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wtf are you talking about?

both Islam and Christianity promote illogical ideas. gays are a sin, and women get stoned. and then some...all retarded notions.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Yes Akira, ask ME what I'm talking about. :lol:


It is ironic that all these "west is best" types don't realize we got to where we are through science and culture, not religion. They claim to hate islam because it is anti-gay or anti-women, then immediately start defending their own right to those sorts of beliefs.


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ShadeOfDeepPurple said: I guess you don't get shamanism yet by the very fact that you describe a psychedelic as Mexican.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
wtf are you talking about?

both Islam and Christianity promote illogical ideas. gays are a sin, and women get stoned. and then some...all retarded notions.


Guys an idiot, you'd have better luck arguing with a brick wall or sack of rocks


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: SyzygisticSoul]
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I don't think he noticed I basically agree with him.


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ShadeOfDeepPurple said: I guess you don't get shamanism yet by the very fact that you describe a psychedelic as Mexican.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: Bozko] * 1
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bwahahaha, yeah, i was juggling eating, drinking, and rageposting on a smartphone, whoops!

i see what you're getting at.

and yes...it's fucking ironic. i have been seeing an irony overload, recently. it's interesting!

:yesnod:

people seem to be:

just taking a side (which side has grown stronger, being the easier choice)
talking either out of their ass, or just as rapidly and with as little thought, as possible.
and trying to propagate their ideologies. the chain is breaking!

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
bwahahaha, yeah, i was juggling eating, drinking, and rageposting on a smartphone, whoops!

i see what you're getting at.

and yes...it's fucking ironic. i have been seeing an irony overload, recently. it's interesting!

:yesnod:

people seem to be:

just taking a side (which side has grown stronger, being the easier choice)
talking either out of their ass, or just as rapidly and with as little thought, as possible.
and trying to propagate their ideologies. the chain is breaking!



:dumbass: dumbass


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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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At one point I believed that an angel had visited Earth before me and that this was the source of Christianity. Then I read the Bible. Nothing that Jesus supposedly said has anything to do with the truth of human life. Whoever he was (he had to exist in some form, even if he was a group of people writing a legend), his message was the suppression of what makes this life worth living as a means to obtain an afterlife awarded by an egomaniacal god who hates his own creation. This is obviously not something I can get behind.

However, I do believe the universe is a created system. Life is too beautiful to have arisen out of random chance. The way I see it, there has to be a purpose and therefore an intelligence behind it, although this intelligence is out of the reach of ordinary humans and even angels. We can't fathom what the universe is really all about. As Terence said, it's not only stranger than we suppose, it's stranger than we can suppose. It certainly has nothing to do with the petty rules and regulations and ego battles of the patriarchy.

Basically, the title of this thread is spot on but the OP doesn't go to the heart of the matter. We can't prove or disprove the existence of a deity. We can, however, clearly demonstrate using scientific facts and common sense that the teachings of Christianity are completely wrong. Christians tend to ignore all the problems with their teachings and gloss it all over with a feel-good message of peace and love. Let's remind them what's actually in the book that defines their religion and therefore how small-minded the writers were, especially considering that they presumed to speak for the creator of an immensely intricate, elegant and pleasurable universe.

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Re: Christians actually have no basis in reality. [Re: akira_akuma]
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Akira, when 3 billion christians say Jesus is a thing, he becomes a thing, retroactively, even if he weren't originally.


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