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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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All that shit in the gulf is probably human shit.  Where do you think all the sewage goes?  Not a lot of farming around the gulf.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
All that shit in the gulf is probably human shit.  Where do you think all the sewage goes?  Not a lot of farming around the gulf.


Again that is over simplifying. Where do you think rivers like the mississippi empty out into?


The Chesapeake bay has the largest deadzone of any estuary in the world thanks to the northern rivers that are surrounded by farms that empty out into it.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Do you ever see farms?  It is not like you want your fertilizer to empty out into a water way.  Some do have water ways and ditches to deal with drainage.  There is a growing effort in my area to reduce fertilizer leaching into water ways.

Most of it is human sewage.  Thy treat it a little bit then dump it.  Just like septic systems.  Lot's of chemicals end up in the waste water.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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No that's definitely a problem too. But it really wasn't till relatively recently that people started to try to stop agricultural run off. And alot of farms are still not doing it very efficiently.

Not all of that is US pollution either. The gulf acts as a buffer and a filter for the ocean. The jet stream and water currents carry pollution from other countries up there and because of the land mass alot of it gets stuck up near the shore.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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CookieCrumbs said:
Nothing exists in a vaccume.



I think my earring got sucked up by the vacuum, so there is that

and let's not forget all the stars and planets, they also exist in a vacuum


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Shh. Don't pretend you know science pouty kitty :nicekitty:


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
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nature abhors a vacuum

so do dogs


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Your mom sucks like a Hoover.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
Your mom sucks like a Hoover.



she's still pissed that you punched her in the eye and stole her social security check


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
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She got the rocks and that is all she wanted


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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CookieCrumbs said:
ballsalsa said:
Hyperbole notwithstanding, his point was more or less accurate.  I do the same thing when i talk about the Salton Sea being "dead".  There is still stuff alive in there, just not enough to make it worth it to go and deal with the stink of the fish-bone beaches.  In either event, a short to mid-term drop in coastal biomass is no joke either. all that biomass represents a corresponding amount of atmospheric carbon.  In other words, less biomass=more CO2 and CH4 etc. in the atmosphere.


Nothing exists in a vaccume. You also have to take into account that ocean water is becoming very acidic, the global water temperature is rising in some places and dropping in others due to excessive ice melt, and overfishing, dredging, and the spread of invasive species that often hitchhike on our ships is all contributing to the 50% decline in sea life we've experienced in the last 40 years.


People are simple and need things broken down for them but I think the ecosystems problems are severely downplayed by simplifying.


Indeed, additional atmospheric CO2 gets absorbed by the water in the ocean where it reacts to form carbonic acid.  It isn't great for things that incorporate calcium carbonate in their shells or exoskeleton.  Invasive species due to international shipping are a major problem, but i feel like the cat is out of the bag on that one already.  not much to be done about it now.  Hell, my dad caught a bonefish in San Diego once, and they aren't even supposed to be in this ocean.  As a sport fisherman from the age of three, I feel that over fishing has played a huge roll in the decline in sea life.  When i see pictures of my grandad standing on a pier lined with white seabass and piled 3-4 high, it makes perfect sense to me why there aren't many white seabass around anymore.  That being said, the absolute greatest cause of fish population loss is nursery habitat destruction. IMO.  Esturine habitats are the universal nurseries for uncountable marine species.  Unfortunately, they are also prime real estate for human development. In California, the salmon runs used to be immense.  With the advent of large dams, the rivers don't make it to the ocean anymore, and the number of salmon alive to try again next year declines at a continuous rate.  Those fish(carcasses) represent untold tons of nutrients harvested from the ocean, and returned to the mountains, via the rivers.  In the long term, there is no telling what effect losing that will have on the state's ecology.

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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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CookieCrumbs said:
No that's definitely a problem too. But it really wasn't till relatively recently that people started to try to stop agricultural run off. And alot of farms are still not doing it very efficiently.

Not all of that is US pollution either. The gulf acts as a buffer and a filter for the ocean. The jet stream and water currents carry pollution from other countries up there and because of the land mass alot of it gets stuck up near the shore.


:jackiechanofapproval:

http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/islands01/background/wind/media/gyre.html


along with pollution, the counter directional current gyre traps gulf species in and keeps atlantic species out to a large extent by keeping them from floating away(or in) while in their various planktonic forms.

[TO BE CLEAR, THE PIC DOES NOT DEPICT POLLUTION]

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