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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: yogabunny]
    #23865883 - 11/25/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Exploiting turmoil to get his name out there, all while looking down sardonically on the lowly gutless civilians he's "saving," does make him an asshole.  He doesn't even see them as equals.  Let's substitute the word "blacks" or "gays" instead of "civilians" and he doesn't seem so nice does he?  It's bullshit.  He's bullshit.  He's a self-serving clown doing a publicity stunt.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #23865884 - 11/25/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dude, I seriously doubt his intent was to jumpstart anything career wise, what a joke. He may just be an older disgruntled vet type who rants from time to time and is into the activism of what's going on.

The butthurt over the gutless worms comment is funny to me, is not a big deal. Vets and soldiers talk about civilians like that quite often, it's part of military culture in a way. Some of them are full of shit, some of them are pretty spot on it. Just goes with the territory I guess. All I'm saying is don't get too butthurt over it, it's nothing really.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23865895 - 11/25/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Let's bump this thread in a year and see how it all turned out.  :popcorn:


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: yogabunny]
    #23865897 - 11/25/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree the statement is needlessly incendiary and combative.

HOWEVER -

Quote:

“So if we don’t stop it, who will?”




^this is very true.

It's a really nice sentiment to have so many non-indigenous actors, healers, musicians, and other activists heading to Standing Rock in solidarity, but these veterans can be of aid on the front line in ways that MOST civilians simply cannot.

:shrug:





so you agree that most civilians are gutless worms and are incapable of standing up for themselves

that must be why they're protecting the water by polluting the air and poisoning the soil





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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23865961 - 11/25/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously dude? I respect what you say most of the time, but you are really starting to sound like a right-wing Koods. As I'm sure you've read my comments in the Trump threads and know that I am conservative libertarian and voted Trump, but I DO NOT support the militarized police state and the way we are treating our natives. I suggest you do some real research from real people reporting and posting live videos to Facebook. If you get your information from any mainstream source, they are going to spin it in favor of Big Oil.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #23866020 - 11/25/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

these natives have invaded private and public lands to stop a private enterprise,
these same natives and non natives are taking children into dangerous situations and
provoking violence from these 'militarized police' and private security contractors,
these same natives and non natives will be the same ones that will attack this
pipeline in order to contaminate the water so they can "prove" they were right

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/pipelines-are-safest-way-transport-oil-and-gas


maybe if you did some research you'd learn that pipelines do carry some risk but
the current methods of transporting this oil poses far more risks, you'd also
learn that the mainstream media is reporting favorably on the protestors,
downplaying the violence from their side and vilifying the cops as brutal
assailants, of course if you only want to hear the protesters side it shows you
seek the confirmation bias against the "cops" which as it appears is your
motivation

and since you like to cite facebook as a valid news source, here's something from
someone that has fought for native rights about the lies these protesters are
telling to stop this pipeline

https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-gates/on-the-standing-rock-tribes-dakota-pipeline-protest-/10154529600627457


now why would these defenders of the earth be setting fire to old tires and
equipment in order to 'protect the earth', are they completely stupid or are
they lying about that as well, I dont know about the standing rock area but
I know that my area hasnt had rain in several months, we've had several fires
started recently by people throwing out cigarette butts in addition to fires
from arson, mush of it burning tens of thousands of acres of land. morton county
north dakota does seem to have favorable conditions for wild fires and these earth
defenders are setting shit on fire. how many of their own will they kill when one
of these fires gets out of control? how many of the children that they put in
harms way will die because of their stupidity


now why you felt the need to announce who you voted for as being trump, I didnt
vote for trump, I voted no confidence. I did not like either options


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1] * 4
    #23866057 - 11/25/16 01:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Typical response insinuating I haven't done research on both sides and haven't been objective, because you way wrong. The mainstream reports I have seen, with the exception of the few in the last week, have all be in favor of the pipeline. :shrug:

Have you watched any of the videos posted by the protestors? There are many many videos from multiple angles, some 30-40 minutes in length. There are weeks of videos. Like any protest, there is some degree of wrong doing. These protests aren't anything remotely like the ones done by the "not my president" groups, who actually do incite violence and being paid.

The protestors don't have guns or weapons, yet cops are attacking them. They purposely shoot people in the head with rubber bullets and throw concussion grenades into crowds and in one instance blowing a girls arm off. Regardless if the protestors were breaking a law, this kind of conduct and force from our police is entirely out of hand.

You see it in black communities, you see with the pipe protestors, and you see it every single day when the enforce the war on drugs. I also think at this point the issue goes far deeper than this single pipeline, and show the hypocrisy and corruption of our government at all levels.

For someone willing to point their finger at democrats and liberals so often, you she learn to point the finger in the other direction at times too. And while the letter of the law is definitely not on the side of the protestors, as a human being we have to decide what is morally right and wrong in the macro sense.

Using a few instances of bad protestors (speaking only in the case of the pipeline), you can't dismiss the human rights tragedy that is occurring.

How are these people "killing their own"? That sounds like pure rhetoric to me. Anyway, I'm definitely not going to try to debate anything with you. Rather, I'll just post my views and allow others to read it and they can read your responses, and they can make their own conclusion about the issue.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: daytripper05]
    #23866103 - 11/25/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Typical response insinuating I haven't done research on both sides and haven't been objective, because you way wrong. The mainstream reports I have seen, with the exception of the few in the last week, have all be in favor of the pipeline. :shrug:





you mean like this one where they say the protesters were brutally attacked without provocation

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tensions-mount-protesters-police-controversial-pipeline/story?id=43078902



Quote:


Have you watched any of the videos posted by the protestors?




you mean the videos that dont catch all the information, only what the protesters
want you to see, isnt that what you're accusing the media of?

Quote:


The protestors don't have guns or weapons, yet cops are attacking them. They purposely shoot people in the head with rubber bullets and throw concussion grenades into crowds and in one instance blowing a girls arm off. Regardless if the protestors were breaking a law, this kind of conduct and force from our police is entirely out of hand.

You see it in black communities, you see with the pipe protestors, and you see it every single day when the enforce the war on drugs. I also think at this point the issue goes far deeper than this single pipeline, and show the hypocrisy and corruption of our government at all levels.




so you look for what you want to see is what you're telling me. did police set the
fires? are fires also not a weapon?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/tensions-mount-protesters-police-controversial-pipeline/story?id=43078902
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There were two incidents of shots fired late this afternoon and evening, according to authorities. One occurred along Highway 1806 near what is known as the “backwater bridge” north of the main camp -- one person is in custody. A protester along the frontline on Highway 1806 also fired three rounds near officers. No one was injured and the protester was taken into custody.

“The protesters are not being peaceful or prayerful," Cass County Sheriff Paul Laney said in the press release. "Law enforcement has been very methodical in moving ahead slowly as to not escalate the situation. However, the protesters are using very dangerous means to slow us down. Their aggressive tactics include using horses, fire and trying to flank us with horses and people.”






Quote:

How are these people "killing their own"? That sounds like pure rhetoric to me. Anyway, I'm definitely not going to try to debate anything with you. Rather, I'll just post my views and allow others to read it and they can read your responses, and they can make their own conclusion about the issue.




all I have done is post my views and the views of others that have also payed
close attention, my opinion being that when you drag your children into a protest
where violence will erupt and the opposing side has better weapons and
authorization to use them, you put your children in danger by using them as a
human shield. that is what these people are doing. by starting fires in drought
stricken areas they put themselves in danger because a prairie fire is damn hard
to escape and fire certainly kills. if you're blind to these facts then clearly
you're blind to all the other bullshit they're spreading


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23866125 - 11/25/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

someone once shot Prisoner in the head with a rubber bullet...now he's...like this. :uhoh:


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23866137 - 11/25/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Like I said, not going to debate you. But you can watch from the police angle too, and read their articles (which I do). Again, you are just assuming that I haven't taken into account of the other side.

You also have leaders of the protest condemning the spread of misinformation, violence, starting fires, and vandalism. Most of the people from all the accounts I've read are people that come here from other parts of the country, not the natives or locals themselves.

There are instances of cops actually quitting the police force and join the protestors because they said what they are doing is wrong.

I just don't think justify two wrongs make a right. You literally have Obama saying he's for indigenous rights but it playing the hand of Big Oil and the interests of the massive finance companies (like corrupt Wells Fargo) that have a half a billion invested in a pipeline. The protests wouldn't be getting to level they have if the president didn't say "lets let this play out for a few more weeks".

We have a lame duck president that cares more about muslims and black lives matter and Trey Martan than about our indigenous people. That's what pisses me off about the issue so much. I don't justify law breaking, violence, vandalism, endangering kids, but I don't agree with what's going on either. The issue of the government corruption is far bigger and more overreaching than a few bad apples and hypocrisies of the protestors.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: daytripper05]
    #23866174 - 11/25/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Like I said, not going to debate you. But you can watch from the police angle too, and read their articles (which I do). Again, you are just assuming that I haven't taken into account of the other side.





and you're assuming I havent and that I take the side of the police when in
reality I am not siding with a pack of liars that are protesting under a false
pretense while propagating more lies to generate sympathy



Quote:

We have a lame duck president that cares more about muslims and black lives matter and Trey Martan than about our indigenous people. That's what pisses me off about the issue so much. I don't justify law breaking, violence, vandalism, endangering kids, but I don't agree with what's going on either. The issue of the government corruption is far bigger and more overreaching than a few bad apples and hypocrisies of the protestors.





you obviously dont care about what's actually happening either because this issue
isnt about government corruption, the souix nation had 2 years to submit a
grievance during the planning states, there were 17 instances where the pipeline
was rerouted to alleviate the concerns of the people in the area, even crystal g
pointed out one of them, the problem is when the corp of engineers approached the
souix leader they refused to deal with them, they've done so on multiple occasions
and still refuse. they want to blame everything but themselves and their leaders
for this shit and no one wants to see that truth


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23866187 - 11/25/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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someone once shot Prisoner in the head with a rubber bullet...now he's...like this. :uhoh:




The saddest part of it all is I'm pretty sure pris is native american. I could be mistaken.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: PartoftheSource] * 1
    #23866190 - 11/25/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

akira_akuma said:
someone once shot Prisoner in the head with a rubber bullet...now he's...like this. :uhoh:




The saddest part of it all is I'm pretty sure pris is native american. I could be mistaken.





so just because I'm cherokee and comanche I should accept and side with people that
had the chance to do something, refused to do it and now they're angry because they
failed to act?


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23866231 - 11/25/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i don't think is being contrarian for the sake of being an asshole, i think he has a point. but i still think the violence cannot be condoned, so...there is that too.

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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23866691 - 11/25/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the violence from which side?

everyone keeps claiming these protesters are innocent but they're trying to break
through baricades, they're shooting at or at least in the direction of the security
that's trying to keep them at bay and those voilent actions prompt actions from the
security such as flash bangs, water hoses and rubber bullets

contrary to the popular myths about this, it's not a peaceful protest.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23866712 - 11/25/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

oh the protests are retarded, i know they aren't peaceful, too.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23866729 - 11/25/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

People get pissed off when they are disrespected.  This is a case of disrespect. But you can't really slow down big oil much.

I,am not really against oil.  My grandpa owned and operated a fairly large drilling company.  My dad was running drilling crews since before he could drive.  There just wasn't much of a legacy by the time I grew up.  Curse of old people having kids and oil taxes.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23866739 - 11/25/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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People get pissed off when they are disrespected.  This is a case of disrespect. But you can't really slow down big oil much.




who is 'they' and how exactly were 'they' disrespected?


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23866744 - 11/25/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Native Americans and people with respect that worship the Earth.

You might be too stupid to talk with.  Don't want to spill your drool cup.


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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23866750 - 11/25/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Native Americans and people with respect that worship the Earth.

You might be too stupid to talk with.  Don't want to spill your drool cup.




I suspect you romanticize the indians a little too much

how were they disrespected?


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