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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23866771 - 11/25/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How were they disrespected?
They do not want the pipe line anywhere near the land they were forcefully moved to. There have been burials where the pipe line is. They aren't going to profit as much as they lose what pride they have. Surely they could speak for themselves better than I can.
If someone wanted to move a pipe line through your confederate family cemetary would you feel disrespected?
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23866991 - 11/25/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: the violence from which side?
everyone keeps claiming these protesters are innocent but they're trying to break through baricades, they're shooting at or at least in the direction of the security that's trying to keep them at bay and those voilent actions prompt actions from the security such as flash bangs, water hoses and rubber bullets
contrary to the popular myths about this, it's not a peaceful protest.
Yes, according to the Morton County Sheriff's department, this is happening.
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: yogabunny]
#23866999 - 11/25/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Only issue I have with his statement is "most civilians are worms" I've seen plenty of marines (the worst when it comes to hand to hand training) get fucked up by a 1st year jui jitsu student. Just came of ass extremely cocky. Nice to see that some people are willing to fight for them. Fighters serve their purpose as I hope some of you are starting to see.
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Morel Guy] 1
#23867009 - 11/25/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: How were they disrespected?
They do not want the pipe line anywhere near the land they were forcefully moved to.
so they dont want a pipeline where they arent living, on land that does not cross their boundary
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There have been burials where the pipe line is.
that is what they claim but it appears there is no evidence of that, they also had a chance to lodge petitions over a period of 2 years, as I had already stated those petitions have resulted in 17 redirections of the pipeline. THEY had refused to discuss anything with the corps of engineers, they worked with the corp of engineers happily when they wanted their own water systems repaired and their roads fixed at the expense of US tax payers but suddenly when it's not something for them they arent interested
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They aren't going to profit as much as they lose what pride they have.
so it's about profits to them, I have to agree. because the pipeline isnt going through the reservation they arent drawing any cash from it and to stop their protest now will certainly cause them to lose pride because they'll have to admit they were wrong in handling things as they had
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Surely they could speak for themselves better than I can.
they had the change to speak up
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If someone wanted to move a pipe line through your confederate family cemetary would you feel disrespected?
if I had a confederate family cemetery then I'm all for it as long as I'm justly compensated, now here's an idea, how about showing us the remains that were dug up that prove this is the ancient indian burial ground and not just another false claim from these protesters
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: yogabunny] 2
#23867011 - 11/25/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yogabunny said:
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Prisoner#1 said: the violence from which side?
everyone keeps claiming these protesters are innocent but they're trying to break through baricades, they're shooting at or at least in the direction of the security that's trying to keep them at bay and those voilent actions prompt actions from the security such as flash bangs, water hoses and rubber bullets
contrary to the popular myths about this, it's not a peaceful protest.
Yes, according to the Morton County Sheriff's department, this is happening.

so prove it's a peaceful protest, peaceful protesters dont set fires to shit
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23867086 - 11/25/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as I'm aware they lit fires during the clash on Sunday night to keep WARM.
And, if you watch the many hundreds of videos available, you see the militarized security goons are shooting water and there are NO FIRES to be seen anywhere.
Why were they shooting water if there was no fire?
Also, from what I understand the elder indigenous folks are calling for immediate eviction of any protectors or allies who are not protesting peacefully.
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: yogabunny]
#23867122 - 11/25/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Priz, how many videos have you watched and from what sources? I've many and my gf has watched videos for literally months. I have read virtually every article written by mainstream sources the articles that make the protestors out to be bad literally don't even attempt to get the other perspective. Just taking the word of the police, despite being plenty of videos footage to refute much of how they spin their press releases.
Like I said, the letter of the current law is on the side of DAPL. But so was the law during the civil rights movement, and when woman couldn't vote, and with the current drug policy. Sometimes breaking laws to get unjust laws changed is the only option. If the protestors were being violent, then surely there would be some injuries to the police or paid security guards.
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: yogabunny] 2
#23867163 - 11/25/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yogabunny said: As far as I'm aware they lit fires during the clash on Sunday night to keep WARM.
as far as you are aware
you think this fire was lit for them to stay warm back in october?

maybe it was also this one they lit to stay warm

maybe it was this one

could have been this one

http://www.vice.com/read/standing-rock-post-arrest-photo-gallery
no, it couldnt have been any of those because these protesters say they havent acted violently
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And, if you watch the many hundreds of videos available, you see the militarized security goons are shooting water and there are NO FIRES to be seen anywhere.
Why were they shooting water if there was no fire?
are you aware you're being led by the nose by a bunch of people that know how to edit video
there were in fact fires, plenty of fires, and all within reach of the hoses
http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/307541-dem-senator-urges-justice-dept-intervene-to-prevent-violence-at
some were big fucking fires... in a drought... a danger to far more people than just the protesters and cops
http://magseriesusa.net/2016/11/25/standing-rock-protesters-vow-to-stay-despite-hypothermia/

yeah, you keep believing they were simply hosed down for no reason because you want to believe that indians would never lie to you
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Also, from what I understand the elder indigenous folks are calling for immediate eviction of any protectors or allies who are not protesting peacefully.
Hillary told us that she speaks with 2 faces, do you believe these chiefs cannot do the same?
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23867377 - 11/25/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's all irrelevant now, the adults are finally gonna step in and shut this BS down
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Today we were notified by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers that on Dec. 5th, they will close all lands north of the Cannonball River, which is where the Oceti Sakowin camp is located.
http://www.myndnow.com/news/bismarck-news/statement-from-chairman-archambault-on-army-corps-decision
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23867538 - 11/25/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How are you so sure that those fires were lit by protesters?
First of all, the fires in the image with the water hoses were not large fires, these 'dangerous fires' that you mentioned are not evident in any of the pictures which you posted. It's cold out there, lighting a manageable fire is just common sense. If this was a violent protest, then the majority of the protesters would be actively attacking the police. This is not the case, and is not what is discussed or supported by the community at standing rock. I have friends who have been there and I've read plenty of articles from sources which actually interviewed the protesters, unlike the biased major media outlets which only talk to the morton county police.
Furthermore, this pipeline crosses over land which is legally bound to the Sioux people through the Ft. Laramie treaty of 1851. Believe it or not, they actually fucking own that land, and the pipeline which crosses over it is violating the autonomy granted in the treaty.
Multiple pipeline routes were declined by the army corps of engineers due to being a threat for clean drinking water. The river brings clean drinking water to millions of people, millions including native americans. So ask yourself, why does this plan, which violates a legally binding treaty as well as endangers the drinking water for millions, seem to be 'okay'?
This plan was reviewed by other cabinets of the united states government, and all of them found it to be inadequate and called for a total revision. The army corps of engineers ignored these appraisals and went ahead with it anyways.
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Chakra Shock] 1
#23867542 - 11/25/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chakra Shock said: How are you so sure that those fires were lit by protesters?
First of all, the fires in the image with the water hoses were not large fires, these 'dangerous fires' that you mentioned are not evident in any of the pictures which you posted. It's cold out there, lighting a manageable fire is just common sense. If this was a violent protest, then the majority of the protesters would be actively attacking the police. This is not the case, and is not what is discussed or supported by the community at standing rock. I have friends who have been there and I've read plenty of articles from sources which actually interviewed the protesters, unlike the biased major media outlets which only talk to the morton county police.
Furthermore, this pipeline crosses over land which is legally bound to the Sioux people through the Ft. Laramie treaty of 1851. Believe it or not, they actually fucking own that land, and the pipeline which crosses over it is violating the autonomy granted in the treaty.
Multiple pipeline routes were declined by the army corps of engineers due to being a threat for clean drinking water. The river brings clean drinking water to millions of people, millions including native americans. So ask yourself, why does this plan, which violates a legally binding treaty as well as endangers the drinking water for millions, seem to be 'okay'?
This plan was reviewed by other cabinets of the united states government, and all of them found it to be inadequate and called for a total revision. The army corps of engineers ignored these appraisals and went ahead with it anyways.
yeah, that's what it is. the cops set fire to trucks, tires and crossed over the fences to set fire to shit just so they could spray some protesters with a hose in freezing weather.
all I can say is 'holy fuck, someone cage the millennials before they hurt themselves"
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23867561 - 11/25/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did read an article which mentioned that the police set fire to a car barricade, and arrested the protesters as they attempted to dismantle it.
I'm not sure about that, it could have been misinformation, but a lot of those burning barricades make sense from the perspective of the protesters. They're trying to protect that land and themselves, without open combat which violates their principles and simultaneously would end in disaster for them. A flaming barricade keeps the police at bay without directly threatening them unless they're stupid enough to get too close to it.
I don't condone burning barricades, I think they send a bad image and allow skeptics to say "oh look at them, those ruffians, those criminals", without taking the time to analyze the whole situation.
Regardless of how bad those flaming barricades look, that pipeline is a sham and is trespassing on land which is protected by a treaty of the U.S. government. This specific plan was admonished by multiple governmental organizations, and is only serving the interest of immensely wealthy and powerful oil companies.
You may not like the tactics of these protesters, it might sit easier with you for this pipeline to be up and running, but the bottom line is that to construct it on their land, beneath the missouri river without their consent, is in direct violation of their rights and poses a legitimate threat to the community and environment.
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23867570 - 11/25/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sure you imagine you read a lot of things just so you can come here and tell us
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23867588 - 11/25/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fact check everything I said about the army corps of engineers and the ft. Laramie treaty from 1851.
You haven't even brought those points up because there's no argument about it, there's a clear right and wrong here, and you're advocating for everything that is wrong with this situation.
You might disagree with radical efforts to protect that land, but everything isn't 'alright' just because the government is doing it. The government can be in the wrong, and in this case, the morton county police department is acting no better than mercenaries for an oil pipeline. They should be helping the Sioux defend their land from that pipeline, not the other way around.
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23867595 - 11/25/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're right, there is no arguing your fiction
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23867632 - 11/25/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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it violates the 1851 treaty, which was violated by gold rushers and cole miners, causing it to be 'redrawn' in later years, or basically have more land stolen from the Sioux. So now the DAPL passes within a half mile of the 1889 boundary, over land which has national historic sites, i.e. burial mounds and other culturally significant locations ( remember, this land was originally the Sioux reservation ), which means that, if you consider native american culture a part of national history, then it also violates the national historic preservation act. It's also a clear threat to the drinking water from the missouri river, which is the same danger which caused the Dakota Access company to remap this pipeline twice before the current plan.
It's a blatant and flagrant disregard for the rights and cultural respect of Native Americans. Hide your head in the sand and fly down south all you want to, but this crisis encapsulates everything that is wrong with our government, the way it will walk over the human rights and lives of people which it deems less important than their own interests.
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23867650 - 11/25/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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and you're still in the world of fiction
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Prisoner#1] 5
#23867893 - 11/26/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Americans getting buttfucked by their masters, believe they are "winning"
Yeah, good luck, man. Rome wasn't toppled in a day either, but I'm sure Pris would have been all "Caligula will make the empire Great Again!" and "lead in wine and drinking water is no biggy."
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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: Turtletotem] 2
#23868173 - 11/26/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Retarded reckless farming practices and water pollution from the midwest/south have already virtually ended all life in a 5000~ mile area of the Bay of Mexico ... but HURR DURR JIMMY HICKEITY SMALL PRICE TO PAY FOR BEIN ABLE TO RAPE NATURE INDISCRIMINATE PASS THE BACON COME ON COUSIN LETS FUCK! EVERYTHIN'S FINE!

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Re: Veterans are planning a 'deployment' to Standing Rock to protest the Dakota Access Pipeline [Re: twighead] 4
#23868193 - 11/26/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Directly from the fundraising page for the Veterans "deployment"
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REMINDER: NO WEAPONS, NO EXCEPTIONS. Leave your anger at home we will no doubt encounter hostility from various sources - prepare yourself mentally for that but also prepare yourself for the power of 2,000 Veterans from every corner of this country coming together with no regard for race, color, gender, politics, religious affiliation...nothing but a commitment to the oath they signed to protect this country and its people. An oath that cannot be unsigned, that promise of service and honor. The eyes of the world are upon you now, and now more than ever we need this action to succeed.
They are now at their max capacity and TWO THOUSAND Veterans will arrive on December 4th in support of the Water Protectors and Mother Earth.
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