hostileuniverse said:

MrBlueYoMind said:

Ahhh I see.  This was the original I saw, I just did a quick search to post an article of it

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Yeah, lots of propaganda out there

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If she did try to create such a weapon, then that sucks for her

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Sure does

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Regardless, this pipeline is bullshit.  However, I understand the desire/need to free ourselves from foreign oil.  We are literally funding our own demise

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If pipelines were a problem, you'd already be dead

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A lot of people are dying

And the earth certainly is if we keep this shit up.



You see that shit? That used to be some of the most productive fishing waters on the planet - off the coast of Texas and Louisiana - and what you are seeing? It's all fucking dead. Nearly every bit of those thousands of square miles of ocean that once teemed with life is dead because of dirt brained people like you who can't see a single year - let alone 40 past your mindless actions. Do you want to contribute to that further? Do you want to see if you kill the entire gulf of mexico? For a fucking oil barrel? - Granted a lot of this has been due to unconscious farming practices, but the mindset of idiot farmers and you have a lot in common. Maybe you should consider biting the fucking bullet - and supporting a vast restructuring of infrastructure and economy into renewables - which will no doubt have an immense cost... but that cost will be a tiny fraction of what we will pay if we continue raping the earth for oil.

Or maybe if its all cool with you - you can go move to Oklahoma.

You know Oklahoma used to experience about 2-5 magnitude 2-5 earthquakes a year, since fracking has picked up steam in Oklahoma - they have experienced over 2,300 earthquakes of intensities up to richter 6.0 - and I don't know if that means anything to you, but I'd like to see you say a single thing that sheds light on the massive raping of the US I for one am willing to dump walmart into the fucking ocean and pay 15$ a meal if it means the earth is going to survive. So maybe you mcdonald sucking corn pesticide boofing rednecks should jump on the boat before it fucking sinks.



Oil companies are sucking the oil out of the ground as fast as they possibly can because they know they are going to die - and die soon - they're fighting it with all their might but just look at the facts.



Can you read that for a second and comprehend, that every major oil company on the books just reported a fucking 35~ drop in revenue growth - A FUCKING THIRTY FIVE PERCENT DROP - do you know  how significant that is for companies 1.2 trillion dollars in holdings? - that represents hundreds of billions of dollars -  That's why they are panicking like chickens with their heads cut off trying to cash out as hard as they fucking can and brainwash as many americans into supporting them before the tide of renewable energy sweeps them away like little bitchcrackers.

twighead said:

hostileuniverse said:

MrBlueYoMind said:

Ahhh I see.  This was the original I saw, I just did a quick search to post an article of it

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Yeah, lots of propaganda out there

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If she did try to create such a weapon, then that sucks for her

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Sure does

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Regardless, this pipeline is bullshit.  However, I understand the desire/need to free ourselves from foreign oil.  We are literally funding our own demise

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If pipelines were a problem, you'd already be dead

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A lot of people are dying

And the earth certainly is if we keep this shit up.



You see that shit? That used to be some of the most productive fishing waters on the planet - off the coast of Texas and Louisiana - and what you are seeing? It's all fucking dead. Nearly every bit of those thousands of square miles of ocean that once teemed with life is dead because of dirt brained people like you who can't see a single year - let alone 40 past your mindless actions. Do you want to contribute to that further? Do you want to see if you kill the entire gulf of mexico? For a fucking oil barrel? - Granted a lot of this has been due to unconscious farming practices, but the mindset of idiot farmers and you have a lot in common. Maybe you should consider biting the fucking bullet - and supporting a vast restructuring of infrastructure and economy into renewables - which will no doubt have an immense cost... but that cost will be a tiny fraction of what we will pay if we continue raping the earth for oil.

Or maybe if its all cool with you - you can go move to Oklahoma.

You know Oklahoma used to experience about 2-5 magnitude 2-5 earthquakes a year, since fracking has picked up steam in Oklahoma - they have experienced over 2,300 earthquakes of intensities up to richter 6.0 - and I don't know if that means anything to you, but I'd like to see you say a single thing that sheds light on the massive raping of the US I for one am willing to dump walmart into the fucking ocean and pay 15$ a meal if it means the earth is going to survive. So maybe you mcdonald sucking corn pesticide boofing rednecks should jump on the boat before it fucking sinks.



Oil companies are sucking the oil out of the ground as fast as they possibly can because they know they are going to die - and die soon - they're fighting it with all their might but just look at the facts.



Can you read that for a second and comprehend, that every major oil company on the books just reported a fucking 35~ drop in revenue growth - A FUCKING THIRTY FIVE PERCENT DROP - do you know  how significant that is for companies 1.2 trillion dollars in holdings? - that represents hundreds of billions of dollars -  That's why they are panicking like chickens with their heads cut off trying to cash out as hard as they fucking can and brainwash as many americans into supporting them before the tide of renewable energy sweeps them away like little bitchcrackers.

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Turtletotem said:

Twighead gets it

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Actually he doesn't, he's misrepresenting data and making a conclusion based on it.

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The record shows that Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the pipeline, spent years working diligently with federal, state and local officials to route the pipeline safely and with the fewest possible disruptions. The contrast between the protesters’ claims and the facts on record is stunning.

Protesters claim that the pipeline was “fast-tracked,” denying tribal leaders the opportunity to participate in the process. In fact, project leaders participated in 559 meetings with community leaders, local officials and organizations to listen to concerns and fine-tune the route. The company asked for, and received, a tougher federal permitting process at sites along the Missouri River. This more difficult procedure included a mandated review of each water crossing’s potential effect on historical artifacts and locations.

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Protesters claim that the Standing Rock Sioux pursued meetings with an unresponsive Army Corps of Engineers. Court records show that the roles in that story were in fact reversed. The corps alerted the tribe to the pipeline permit application in the fall of 2014 and repeatedly requested comments from and meetings with tribal leaders only to be rebuffed over and over. Tribal leaders ignored requests for comment and canceled meetings multiple times.

In September 2014 alone, the corps made five unsuccessful attempts to meet with Standing Rock Sioux leaders. The next month, a meeting was arranged, but “when the Corps timely arrived for the meeting, Tribal Chairman David Archambault told them that the conclave had started earlier than planned and had already ended,” according to a federal judge. At a planned meeting the next month, the tribe took the pipeline off the agenda and refused to discuss it. This stonewalling by tribal leaders continued for a year and a half.

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Typical of the misinformation spread during the protests is a comment made by Jesse Jackson, who recently joined the activists in North Dakota. He said the decision to reroute the pipeline so that it crossed close to the Standing Rock Sioux tribe’s water intake was “racism.”

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And throw in a leftist race baiting comnunity organizer

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The pipeline route was adjusted based on concerns expressed by locals — including other tribal leaders — who met with company and Army Corps of Engineers officials. The court record reveals that the Standing Rock Sioux refused to meet with corps officials to discuss the route until after site work had begun. That work is now 77 percent completed at a cost of $3 billion.

In response to a lawsuit filed by the Standing Rock Sioux, the court documented “dozens of attempts” by the corps to consult with the tribe. It documented the legal and proper approval process the corps used to permit all of the contested construction sites the tribe claimed were improperly permitted. It even documented evidence that the corps had exceeded the minimum legal requirements during its earnest and lengthy efforts to receive the input of tribal leaders on the pipeline.

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Pipeline protesters may have a tight grip on media coverage of the pipeline, but they have a demonstrably loose grip on the facts. The truth — as documented not by the company but by the federal court system — is that pipeline approvals were not rushed, permits were not granted illegally, and tribal leaders were not excluded. These are proven facts upheld by two federal courts.

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twighead said:

You see that shit? That used to be some of the most productive fishing waters on the planet - off the coast of Texas and Louisiana - and what you are seeing? It's all fucking dead. Nearly every bit of those thousands of square miles of ocean that once teemed with life is dead because of dirt brained people like you who can't see a single year - let alone 40 past your mindless actions. Do you want to contribute to that further? Do you want to see if you kill the entire gulf of mexico?

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Or maybe if its all cool with you - you can go move to Oklahoma.

You know Oklahoma used to experience about 2-5 magnitude 2-5 earthquakes a year, since fracking has picked up steam in Oklahoma - they have experienced over 2,300 earthquakes of intensities up to richter 6.0 - and I don't know if that means anything to you, but I'd like to see you say a single thing that sheds light on the massive raping of the US I for one am willing to dump walmart into the fucking ocean and pay 15$ a meal if it means the earth is going to survive. So maybe you mcdonald sucking corn pesticide boofing rednecks should jump on the boat before it fucking sinks.

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Can you read that for a second and comprehend, that every major oil company on the books just reported a fucking 35~ drop in revenue growth - A FUCKING THIRTY FIVE PERCENT DROP - do you know  how significant that is for companies 1.2 trillion dollars in holdings? - that represents hundreds of billions of dollars -  That's why they are panicking like chickens with their heads cut off trying to cash out as hard as they fucking can and brainwash as many americans into supporting them before the tide of renewable energy sweeps them away like little bitchcrackers.

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twighead said:

That - is the direct reflection of this - the dissolved oxygen levels in the gulf of mexico. I presume it looks that way not only because of the silt - but because of the loss of all of the lifeforms that once helped purify the water. Keep in mind these are old pictures - the problem is worse now than it was then.

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twighead said:

The silt is filled with fertilizers which feed mass algae blooms which deprive the water of all of its oxygen content and kills every other living thing in those waters.

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Yes it is silt - but the contents of that silt - and thus the contents of that image are in direct reflection of the deadzone that you witness. That image also contains the algae blooms which cause the hypoxia.


And I never said there's no life in the gulf as an entirety - but make no doubt that area directly reflected by the image contains basically no aquatic life. The same happened to the chesapeake bay as well - although efforts to reverse it have had some efficacy.

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Prisoner#1 said:

twighead said:

The silt is filled with fertilizers which feed mass algae blooms which deprive the water of all of its oxygen content and kills every other living thing in those waters.

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so now your contention is that there's no longer any fish, oysters, shrimp, crabs
and the like in the gulf because of fertilizers creating algae blooms killing
everything off

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Yes it is silt - but the contents of that silt - and thus the contents of that image are in direct reflection of the deadzone that you witness. That image also contains the algae blooms which cause the hypoxia.


And I never said there's no life in the gulf as an entirety - but make no doubt that area directly reflected by the image contains basically no aquatic life. The same happened to the chesapeake bay as well - although efforts to reverse it have had some efficacy.

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so the coastal waters are dead and all those shrimpers arent catching any shrimp because they're dead

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Prisoner#1 said:

I'm not saying that at all, what I am saying is that the gulf isnt dead, that the
picture twighead had posted along with his misleading statements are disingenuous

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ballsalsa said:

Hyperbole notwithstanding, his point was more or less accurate.  I do the same thing when i talk about the Salton Sea being "dead".  There is still stuff alive in there, just not enough to make it worth it to go and deal with the stink of the fish-bone beaches.  In either event, a short to mid-term drop in coastal biomass is no joke either. all that biomass represents a corresponding amount of atmospheric carbon.  In other words, less biomass=more CO2 and CH4 etc. in the atmosphere.

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