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Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium?
    #23563210 - 08/21/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like I might have myself some verticillium in my monotub... The grain used to spawn this particular tub was inoculated with a MS syringe (B+). It is (possibly was) my plan to clone tissue from the best fruit of this tub to start isolating genetics.

I've done my searching on Vert and I am somewhat sure this is dry bubz.



You can see a pin here in the above photo that is beginning to strip slightly.



^^ Bubbles



^^ Bubbles



Slightly off-center towards the left you can see a fruit that is beginning to twist downward somewhat erratically.


Let me know what you think.

Also if you do believe it is Verticillium - let me know where I can find some "Vert-be-gone"... The walmart employee I talked with stated they might be out...

Mods: I was stripped (vert-pun!) between Contamination and MC forums on this one. My apologies if my thread location accuracy is not up to par.

Thanks Everyone!




EDIT:

Here is a mushroom from a tray I did. It was left with poor FAE for a day while I was preoccupied.
At first I thought it was a mutant, as two mushrooms had sort of grown into each other at the start of this particular mushrooms life.
Now I am beginning to believe it WAS actually dry bubble that grabbed a hold of it. It is very possible I could have spread this to my other grow shown above - as they were fairly close to each other in terms of room placement. This mushroom was from the last flush before the sub finally gave out.



Thanks


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: morty422] * 1
    #23563346 - 08/21/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

All I see is bacteria and maybe a few blob mutants. Take some time to brush up on dry bubble and vert posts.


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23563388 - 08/21/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:
All I see is bacteria and maybe a few blob mutants. Take some time to brush up on dry bubble and vert posts.




I will most definitely do some more searching! Any particular threads that come to mind?

What indicators did you see that led you to bacteria? 
Could you elaborate a bit more on what you see in these photos in particular?

Thanks Munch! I'm glad you replied!


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: morty422]
    #23563421 - 08/21/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The thicker, blobbier mycelium is a sure sign of bacteria. Now, things like bacteria can actually be triggers for mutations, but it's often also deteriorating genetics from selfing (like if you had a kid with yourself, he'd surely be a retard).

Being B+, which I'd think of as an 'overbred' variety, I'm sure you'll see mutations. It's kinda like how labradors are overbred, and so always have problems like dysplasia, or like how PE has been overbred and so grows blobs.

That said, I don't see evidence of dry nor wet bubble.


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: dankington]
    #23563435 - 08/21/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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dankington said:
The thicker, blobbier mycelium is a sure sign of bacteria. Now, things like bacteria can actually be triggers for mutations, but it's often also deteriorating genetics from selfing (like if you had a kid with yourself, he'd surely be a retard).

Being B+, which I'd think of as an 'overbred' variety, I'm sure you'll see mutations. It's kinda like how labradors are overbred, and so always have problems like dysplasia, or like how PE has been overbred and so grows blobs.




At this point, if bacteria is present, what does that mean for the longevity of the grow? Could you touch a bit more on that aspect and what my thought process should be from here on out in order to have good productive grows?

Is this something that genetic isolation can help out with?

Thanks a lot!


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: morty422]
    #23563447 - 08/21/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

At this point, you're getting fruit. So, you're basically looking at a reduced bio efficiency of the substrate (BE). No big deal.

When myc pokes out of the sub and looks like club tipped fingers, it's got a lot of bacteria riding along.

But it looks like you'll be okay, but might have some pretty inbred genetics. Like your cousin RJ.


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: dankington] * 1
    #23563458 - 08/21/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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At this point, you're getting fruit. So, you're basically looking at a reduced bio efficiency of the substrate (BE). No big deal.

When myc pokes out of the sub and looks like club tipped fingers, it's got a lot of bacteria riding along.

But it looks like you'll be okay, but might have some pretty inbred genetics. Like your cousin RJ.




Shit.... RJ?

(*Throws whole tub outside and lights it on fire*)


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: morty422]
    #23563511 - 08/21/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Genetic isolation isn't going to help you get away from bacteria.


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23563624 - 08/21/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Genetic isolation isn't going to help you get away from bacteria.




I was more referring to the less than amazing genetics. I understand that bacteria is a different variable all together.

I should have been more clear on what I was referring to.


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: morty422] * 1
    #23563629 - 08/21/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

PERHAPS


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23563703 - 08/21/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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PERHAPS




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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: morty422]
    #23563986 - 08/21/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see any vert. Your sub has a lot of beaded moisture, which tells me you can safely up your FAE, which will help your flush and also knock vert back if by chance you're having that issue.

I find high FAE is very important during the first few days of fruiting conditions to trigger a strong pin-set, genetics allowing.


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #23564197 - 08/21/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't see any vert. Your sub has a lot of beaded moisture, which tells me you can safely up your FAE, which will help your flush and also knock vert back if by chance you're having that issue.

I find high FAE is very important during the first few days of fruiting conditions to trigger a strong pin-set, genetics allowing.




Thanks for this information - the beaded moisture was something I've been thinking about.
EG:
Standing water BAD?
Moist substrate - Good Conditions, etc.

At this point my top polyfil is so loose, it could literally fall out of the hole with a sharp gust of air.

I'm thinking it's time to start pulling polyfil out of the medium-taught bottom holes? FAE cannot be increased via top holes, so the next step is the next point of air flow that can be adjusted....bottom holes, right?

Thanks for your reply. I'm going to be a mycology expert sometime in the next few decades...I promise you!

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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: morty422]
    #23564599 - 08/21/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pooling water is considered standing water, beads of water is not standing water.

If your poly is dialed in pretty well(tight bottom holes, loose top holes) and you're still getting a ton of surface moisture you can put a fan in the room or just manually fan more. It's really not rocket science, and plenty will basically call you out if you say you fan your grows.. which is absurd to me. I fan so much that I have to mist, then guess what, I just mist...rinse and repeat. My results speak for themselves.


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #23565022 - 08/22/16 04:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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TheEaglesGift said:
Pooling water is considered standing water, beads of water is not standing water.

If your poly is dialed in pretty well(tight bottom holes, loose top holes) and you're still getting a ton of surface moisture you can put a fan in the room or just manually fan more. It's really not rocket science, and plenty will basically call you out if you say you fan your grows.. which is absurd to me. I fan so much that I have to mist, then guess what, I just mist...rinse and repeat. My results speak for themselves.




Good stuff. Thanks Eagle!


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Re: Possible Dry Bubble/Verticillium? [Re: morty422]
    #23574799 - 08/25/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My pleasure.


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