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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: myc_check1212]
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myc_check1212 said:
Link?



http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-atf-traces-guns-used-in-orlando-1465769430-htmlstory.html

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As a former riflery instructor I felt the need to point out that the shooter did not have as much knowledge/training as Thayendanegea stated, mainly due to his choice of weapons and his strategy. This is important to understanding the story because it shifts the shooter away from being a trained terrorist and more to him being someone with a mental disorder that went crazy. BTW, the 7.62x39 is more lethal that the 5.56x45 (1653 ft-lbs vs 1295 ft-lbs respectively), and an AK-47 would be a far better gun for the enclosed environment that he was shooting in. As far as accuracy goes, my zastava n-pap can shoot four inch groups at 100yds all day long. Also, the size difference is negligible when comparing a 30rd AR-15 magazine to an AK-47 magazine.




The .223 round has a muzzle velocity of around 3300 fps while the 7.62 is around 2300 fps. There was a brilliant firearms designer named Roy Weatherby that wildcatted many standard calibers adding velocity to the bullet because velocity does, in fact, have a considerable affect on the destruction caused at the point of impact and beyond. Also, the muzzle energy of the 7.62 is closer to 1470 lbs vs. 1300 for the smaller 55 grain bullet of the .223.

Even so, the 7.62 is a highly destructive round and we are really comparing apples to oranges...both weapons are capable of killing lots of people at close range.

And, by the way, my father was a marine corps scout/ sniper in Korea and my brother in law is a Pa. state trooper shooting instructor....I've been around guns most of my life and I started shooting off a bench when I was 8 yrs. old. I do know a little about guns. Actually, my son owns two AR,s one in a .22 caliber (which I prefer because it doesn't jump at all and costs a lot less to go shooting.) and the standard .223....The muzzle climbs as you keep squeezing the trigger rapidly. The old Kalashnikov was worse.

Lastly, I don't like either of them...their primary function is to kill people in a efficient manner and I'm against them being legal to the masses.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: myc_check1212]
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The point is people (people on this very forum as well) are hollering to ban AR-15's and people don't even know what an AR-15 is. All they know is black assault rifle that's not an AK. Today this is an AR-15, tomorrow Beretta's Carbine is an AR-15. It's all moot anyways as I've already said, all guns are deadly and most any semi-auto can be used by someone relatively untrained to commit mass murder. So while everyone is wasting their time arguing about what gun is more deadly than another, no one is actually addressing the real issue.

And I'm stopping here because I swore I wasn't gonna let myself getting dragged into this stupid shit and somehow I have.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

Edited by Shroomslip (06/14/16 05:47 PM)

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Shroomslip]
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I may also be stopping here.

Theres not a straight story between all the news outlets.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: myc_check1212]
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He used a Sig Sauer MCX, doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as AR-15...:popcorn:


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: 404]
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404 said:
criminals don't abide by gun laws anyway. it's pointless, and irrelevant what he used, although it was an ar-15. Single-fire is all you're really allowed to buy without the tax stamps and approvals, although you can file down the trigger mechanism to make it full auto, but that makes the weapon dangerous. single fire doesn't make the rifle any less deadly.

in florida, the lower reciever, gutted, is the "gun" part. you have to pass a background check and all to get one last time i looked at getting one for sport and hunting.



This criminal abided by gun laws and got his legally, just sayin


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Citizen X]
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i know, he passed background checks. but that doesn't make any of what i said any less true, just saying.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Supachopped719]
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Supachopped719 said:
Well yeah he's a Muslim, of course he believes that.

What should be done about it?

Should charges be brought against the shooters father?

What exactly is the point of posting that?



It provides a context that this is not just some lone extremist.  Hate, violence and oppression are the norm in the Muslim community and these monsters do not grow up in a vacuum.  They are made by the culture and religion they are raised in.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: DieCommie]
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faggot celeb gay guy
he also dressed like a cop
but i don't know what that was from

Edited by Konyap (06/14/16 07:45 PM)

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: DieCommie]
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Anyone else kind of not give a shit about any of this? I mean probably just yesterday 100+ people got blown up in Pakistan, or the Philippines, or a whole village probably got massacred in Africa, a funeral in Afghanistan probably got drone striked, and a whole family probably got decapitated in Mexico by the Cartel...

But one club gets shot up in America and


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Fools Crow]
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because it's in america
the assumption is those 'other' places aren't civilization. 'We' are, so reminders like this are supposed to be shocking. The worst part imo is that they aren't anymore.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
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Thayendanegea said:
Lastly, I don't like either of them...their primary function is to kill people in a efficient manner and I'm against them being legal to the masses.




I am wondering if you feel the same way about tobacco, alcohol. When you read the statistics, even though guns have the purpose of killing, Alcohol kills way more people and is much more of a burden on our society (in terms of healthcare costs, mental health effects, law enforcement, etc..) than guns. The same can be said about tobacco, but 10 fold - and quite literally. Its a sad statistic to use, but tobacco kills more people globally every year than the Nazis killed jews in all of world war two. The tobacco industry on a yearly basis, kills as many people as Hitler was responsible for in his entire lifetime, and nobody bats an eye. Yet someone shoots and kills 50 people and the whole world cringes - Dont get me wrong - I think we should be cringing at both, but dont you?

Looking at those statistics, and when you see that guns pale in comparison to human life lost via the aforementioned drugs, I am continually shocked at the hypocrisy of turning a blind eye to a bigger problem - again in terms lifeloss and societal burdens. If I was trying to save lives, Tobacco, then Alcohol would be my fist two targets. Then probably obesity, before I ever touched actual weapons.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Mickalopagus]
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I tell you one isn't it amazing these immigrants live better then 50% of you?
They seem to have all the right times all the right resources to walk up to a gay bar and shoot up a bunch of people?

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Ezuma]
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Yeah. It's all classification, division, and separation. The west is no more civilized than the rest of the world. In many ways we are actually less civilized. We have different culture, different society, but we are all people. Only the west doesn't give two shits if thousands are dying abroad everyday, but if 50 people get clapped here in Babylon everyone acts like its a terrible tragedy somehow different and more important than all the other tragedies that occur elsewhere.

Like when that shit happened in Paris. Everyone was putting Paris flags on their social media and shit, and yet just the week before in the Middle East or perhaps it was South East Asia over 100 people were killed but no one gave two shits about it in the west.

It just shows how blatant racism, prejudice, and classism still run rampant in this 21st century.

If anything this event will be used more for political gain and personal gain then actual sympathy and actual attempting to solve the problem.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Thayendanegea said:
And, by the way, my father was a marine corps scout/ sniper in Korea and my brother in law is a Pa. state trooper shooting instructor....I've been around guns most of my life and I started shooting off a bench when I was 8 yrs. old. I do know a little about guns. Actually, my son owns two AR,s one in a .22 caliber (which I prefer because it doesn't jump at all and costs a lot less to go shooting.) and the standard .223....The muzzle climbs as you keep squeezing the trigger rapidly. The old Kalashnikov was worse.




Cool, so you know people that know about guns... lol. You honestly sound like a tryhard. Recoil is easy to handle if you know what you're doing, you're also way off on the energy of a 7.62x39 round.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Fools Crow]
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I wouldn't say we're less civilized, but I agree with your general sentiment. It's all about class


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Fools Crow] * 1
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Fools Crow said:
Yeah. It's all classification, division, and separation. The west is no more civilized than the rest of the world. In many ways we are actually less civilized. We have different culture, different society, but we are all people. Only the west doesn't give two shits if thousands are dying abroad everyday, but if 50 people get clapped here in Babylon everyone acts like its a terrible tragedy somehow different and more important than all the other tragedies that occur elsewhere.

Like when that shit happened in Paris. Everyone was putting Paris flags on their social media and shit, and yet just the week before in the Middle East or perhaps it was South East Asia over 100 people were killed but no one gave two shits about it in the west.

It just shows how blatant racism, prejudice, and classism still run rampant in this 21st century.

If anything this event will be used more for political gain and personal gain then actual sympathy and actual attempting to solve the problem.



Why do you put the blame the west? One of Turkey's biggest newspapers with connections to Ergodan released a front page story about the shooting in Orlando and celebrated the death of all the "sick faggots" or whatever it was. Yet the West is less civilized than the rest of the world? It's human nature to feel compassion toward one's own group, both sides don't give a fuck about the other side. One more so than the other because that's how primitive tribal people are genetically programmed. Modern western scociety has altered our genetics and has actually made us more trusting of those outside of our own group.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Fools Crow]
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Yeah, but do you live in Pakistan or the Philippines? That's why people are so upset. It's on our turf.

If my next door neighbor's house catches on fire, I will absolutely offer them a hot meal, a safe place to sleep, and a hot shower.  If the people's house down the street catches fire, yeah its sad, but it's not in my face.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Ezuma]
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Well yeah more civilized in certain ways and less in others.

We have technology, and money, and power,  any we have relative security, and social services and infrastructure, but we lack community, we lack appreciation and love for each other, we lack true empathy and compassion for humanity, life, and the planet in general.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Fools Crow] * 3
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Fools Crow said:
Well yeah more civilized in certain ways and less in others.

We have technology, and money, and power,  any we have relative security, and social services and infrastructure, but we lack community, we lack appreciation and love for each other, we lack true empathy and compassion for humanity, life, and the planet in general.



idk dude... Americans are pretty damn compassionate compared to some other nationalities.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Fools Crow] * 1
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Fools Crow said:
Well yeah more civilized in certain ways and less in others.

We have technology, and money, and power,  any we have relative security, and social services and infrastructure, but we lack community, we lack appreciation and love for each other, we lack true empathy and compassion for humanity, life, and the planet in general.



while i agree that there are a lot of failings in america and humanity in general, I think compared to the global population, if anything westerners are less racist, misogynistic and violent than other cultures. That is purely due to our privilege however, imo. If the resources of the world were more equally distributed, the shit holes of the world would gradually catch up to us in terms of humanist and egalitarian ideals. Unfortunately its more profitable to leech off of hate and fear


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