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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club *DELETED* [Re: qman]
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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Plain]
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Plain said:
qman said:
Supachopped719 said:
The Washington post did it because it's sensational and they want to sell papers and get web traffic.

I asked you why YOU posted it.

Questioning someone's reasoning for doing something isn't putting your head in the sand.

I honestly don't think the shooter's father of the rest of his family should get any media attention. They are irrelevant. They did not commit a crime, at least not that we know of.


"They are irrelevant"

Really, because Omar operated in a vacuum, no he didn't.  It's nice to know his father's viewpoint after his son committed a terrorist act against innocent people.

"They did not commit a crime"

Maybe that's true, but did they commit any moral crimes?  Those questions should be asked.



WTF is a moral crime? Who charges you for that?

I thought in order to have commited a crime you have to go through due process

This is america right?



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"Cosmic apotheosis wears off quicker than Salvia"

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Plain]
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/15/us/politics/noor-zahi-salman-omar-mateen.html?_r=0

She might be in very deep shit, it doesn't look good.

She drove him to the club that night, she's toast.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Thayendanegea said:
Well....It's actually a 7.62 and yes it has been a proven field gun but it has a lot more recoil and the clips carry fewer rounds.




a 30 round mag is a 30 round mag, both would hold, get this... 30 rounds



a convicted terrorist... if the death penalty were actually used on monsters like
this, do you think this cop would have died, do you think his wife would have been
tortured on a live stream? but it's OK, they're a civilized country

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/14/french-police-officer-wife-murdered-larossi-abballa-isis

and guess what. the killing was done with a knife


Well the clip would have to be larger to carry 30 rounds on the AK...it is a bigger diameter round....Why you gotta point out pointless shit Pris?


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Thayendanegea]
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I'm pretty sure they make 100 round drums for the AK.

That is a lot of lead down range. :snowman:

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: mycosis] * 1
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She's a beauty! :cookiemonster:


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Herbologist]
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Herbologist said:
Thayendanegea said:
falsereality said:
Thayendanegea said:
I believe the weapon used was an AR-15 along with a side arm. The AR-15 is the civilian equivalent of the M-16 military issue selective fire semi/ fully automatic. The civilian grade is only available in semi-automatic....meaning it will fire as fast as the finger can pull the trigger. It uses a .223 caliber bullet weighing around 50 grains that leaves the muzzle around 2700 fps.
This Vs. the .40 caliber side arm that sends a much heavier bullet at a much slower velocity...usually around 1400 fps.

I'm bringing this up because the shooter was in a very crowded room and the .223 bullet can pass through one or sometimes two victims before stopping as well as ricochet (depending on the type of bullet used...probably fully jacketed.) Also extra 30 round clips are easily interchanged when one becomes empty. This guy sounds like he knew his shit and probably practiced beforehand.


He was a security guard for a private company and most likely received firearms training for his job. While I generally agree with this, if you couple a bumpfire stock with an AR15 it has a rate of fire pretty close to a fully automatic M16.

It's also worth noting that if the shooter "knew his shit" he would've gone with a more damaging round like the 7.63x39.


Well....It's actually a 7.62 and yes it has been a proven field gun but it has a lot more recoil and the clips carry fewer rounds. And, by the way...It didn't appear that there was any problems with the gun being lethal. The 7.62 is a heavier bullet but that "killing advantage" can be overcome with the higher velocity of the .223. Plus the AR-15 is a shit ton more accurate.



AR-15 is not a "shit ton" more accurate and it doesn't have a lot less recoil.

My AK hits all the same targets that my AR hits and I can go back n forth between the 2 and the recoil difference is minimal.


Well then you must not be a very good shot because the Ar-15 was designed as a "rifle" first with accuracy in mind and the AK was designed as a "machine gun....throw a shit load of rounds quickly" with accuracy being a non-issue. And, the one I shot had considerably more recoil and the accuracy sucked. But I was shooting 100 yds....The AR...holds a 2" group pretty steadily while you can't even hit the paper with an AK.

What are you shooting....25 yards?


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: mycosis]
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mycosis said:
I'm pretty sure they make 100 round drums for the AK.

That is a lot of lead down range. :snowman:


Yeah...but his gun was bought legally and you can't get 100 rd. drums legally ....of course, this was Florida...they may allow you to purchase them there....most states are no though.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Thayendanegea]
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If there's one thing I know about living in Florida, its that anything is available to you for the right price...and I mean just about anything.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Why all this talk about AK vs AR anyways? He didn't use an AR. When you get done letting the media tell you that an AR is so much more deadly than any other "easy to obtain" gun, go do a simple search and find out what weapon he actually used. I'll tell you right now though, it really doesn't matter. You can keep huffin and puffin and swearing one semi-auto rifle is more deadly than another, it doesn't make it true.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
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Shroomslip said:
Why all this talk about AK vs AR anyways? He didn't use an AR. When you get done letting the media tell you that an AR is so much more deadly than any other "easy to obtain" gun, go do a simple search and find out what weapon he actually used. I'll tell you right now though, it really doesn't matter. You can keep huffin and puffin and swearing one semi-auto rifle is more deadly than another, it doesn't make it true.


Evidently the hadjis father was more of a deadly influence than "teh gunz".

Oh, and radical interpretation of the koran.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said:
Why all this talk about AK vs AR anyways? He didn't use an AR. When you get done letting the media tell you that an AR is so much more deadly than any other "easy to obtain" gun, go do a simple search and find out what weapon he actually used. I'll tell you right now though, it really doesn't matter. You can keep huffin and puffin and swearing one semi-auto rifle is more deadly than another, it doesn't make it true.


As a former riflery instructor I felt the need to point out that the shooter did not have as much knowledge/training as Thayendanegea stated, mainly due to his choice of weapons and his strategy. This is important to understanding the story because it shifts the shooter away from being a trained terrorist and more to him being someone with a mental disorder that went crazy. BTW, the 7.62x39 is more lethal that the 5.56x45 (1653 ft-lbs vs 1295 ft-lbs respectively), and an AK-47 would be a far better gun for the enclosed environment that he was shooting in. As far as accuracy goes, my zastava n-pap can shoot four inch groups at 100yds all day long. Also, the size difference is negligible when comparing a 30rd AR-15 magazine to an AK-47 magazine.


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: falsereality]
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My only point is that people (not just in this thread, I mean across the country) are pointing at the AR-15 and going "that thing is super deadly, all other guns are basically BB guns compared to it". It's getting old. I bet most of the people who think that way couldn't even pick out something resembling an AR-15 before the media started pushing out this image that it's some extra lethal weapon. You don't have to be a trained marksman to be lethal with most modern guns. Takes seconds to change a mag even for someone inexperienced. You don't need to be "1 shot 1 kill" or anything close to it. You just need more ammo. You also don't have to be able to get a 2 inch grouping at 300 yards or some shit.

Guns can be, and are deadly in the wrong hands. Pretty much all guns. Those hands do not need to be expertly trained to achieve that, either.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said:
Why all this talk about AK vs AR anyways? He didn't use an AR. When you get done letting the media tell you that an AR is so much more deadly than any other "easy to obtain" gun, go do a simple search and find out what weapon he actually used. I'll tell you right now though, it really doesn't matter. You can keep huffin and puffin and swearing one semi-auto rifle is more deadly than another, it doesn't make it true.


The shooters weapon was an AR-15


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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Link?

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: mycosis] * 1
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mycosis said:
I'm pretty sure they make 100 round drums for the AK.

That is a lot of lead down range. :snowman:


They jam easily. Bad choice for a massacre. 30 round magazines are way more reliable.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Thayendanegea said:
Shroomslip said:
Why all this talk about AK vs AR anyways? He didn't use an AR. When you get done letting the media tell you that an AR is so much more deadly than any other "easy to obtain" gun, go do a simple search and find out what weapon he actually used. I'll tell you right now though, it really doesn't matter. You can keep huffin and puffin and swearing one semi-auto rifle is more deadly than another, it doesn't make it true.


The shooters weapon was an AR-15


http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/13/narrative-fail-orlando-islamic-terrorist-use-ar-15/

Here's one article among many others.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Tape them together. 60 rounds of freedom in a shoot.

There are also 40 round mags:datass:

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: Shroomslip]
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Shroomslip said:
Thayendanegea said:
Shroomslip said:
Why all this talk about AK vs AR anyways? He didn't use an AR. When you get done letting the media tell you that an AR is so much more deadly than any other "easy to obtain" gun, go do a simple search and find out what weapon he actually used. I'll tell you right now though, it really doesn't matter. You can keep huffin and puffin and swearing one semi-auto rifle is more deadly than another, it doesn't make it true.


The shooters weapon was an AR-15


http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/13/narrative-fail-orlando-islamic-terrorist-use-ar-15/

Here's one article among many others.


Uh-oh, the narrative is falling apart. Quick smart, fetch thee a straw man.

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Re: 20 people dead in Terrorist attack in Orlando, shot at night club [Re: myc_check1212]
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criminals don't abide by gun laws anyway. it's pointless, and irrelevant what he used, although it was an ar-15. Single-fire is all you're really allowed to buy without the tax stamps and approvals, although you can file down the trigger mechanism to make it full auto, but that makes the weapon dangerous. single fire doesn't make the rifle any less deadly.

in florida, the lower reciever, gutted, is the "gun" part. you have to pass a background check and all to get one last time i looked at getting one for sport and hunting.

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