Enjoywho said:

It's a slippery slope. When I was selling e a good friend of mine literally tried to commit suicide on my drugs. It was fucking terrifying how fucked I could been. I spent a lot of time talking to him after that fool has literally lost his mind.

Total fucking space cadet which is not the person I knew at all. I don't know what the fuck snapped in him but holy shit.

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Asante said:

If your friend is 18 or older first and foremost, so of the age that their taking drugs is THEIR responsibility..

If your friend is a FRIEND and not some freeloading opportunist..

If you in your drug veteran wisdom deem the person and the drug a good fit..

Be the one to introduce them. So many of us have made such bad mistakes because we never had a mentor, never had a sitter, you can prevent this for them.

The elders should teach the young uns, that goes for being a psychonaut too.

My niece is 4 years old now, so a bit young for back-to-back MXE rectal dosing but when she turns 18 and wants to try a joint, I much rather be the one to introduce her than that she learns from her peers, who may be entangled with other drugs like speed and coke as well.

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I am leaning towards this point of view as well.

But it's not watertight. I mean: "If you in your drug veteran wisdom deem the person and the drug a good fit.." sounds reasonable, but what if I do not deem them a good fit, but they intend to take it anyway. Then I'm in the same dilemma again. I could say, do it with me in my place, so I can control the setting and the dosage, or I could pull out and decide I do not want anything to do with it.

Either way poses risks. The first choice that I may be held responsible if anything goes wrong, the second choice that I will feel responsible because I might have been able to prevent whatever bad happens.

So, no, I'm still not sure what to do.


Hanz.


ps: good call about the rectal dosing with your niece

SirShroomsAlott said:

Enjoywho said:

It's a slippery slope. When I was selling e a good friend of mine literally tried to commit suicide on my drugs. It was fucking terrifying how fucked I could been. I spent a lot of time talking to him after that fool has literally lost his mind.

Total fucking space cadet which is not the person I knew at all. I don't know what the fuck snapped in him but holy shit.

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This is exactly why I'll personally never give anyone anything of mine unless I know they've done it before or are going to do it with me. I refuse to sell for the same reason too, never know what someone else is going to do or how you'll get screwed.

My friend like hates me now because he never did any drugs and desperately wanted to try shrooms so I let him take them with me and he freaked the whole time and I had to talk him down while havin a bad trip myself, and now he wants me to give him more for him and some girl and I know he won't be able to handle it if he freaks out and they're both inexperienced so he's been pissed at me because I told him no unless I'm there or someone experienced because who knows what would of happen if I didn't keep him calm the first time.

Some people are fine sharing their drugs, and if they're experienced I probably would be too, but if theyre not there's just too great a risk for them and you.

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my3rdeye said:

I sold some to a 18 year old blond girl, some lsd. The alternative was letting her go score some possible nbomes at a rave. She was my buddies gf and i didnt want her to die. She was going to bicycle day party where they were screening neurons to nirvana with like jugglers and fire breathers etc, so i was like fuck it she will be fine those people will take care of her, hippies are pros at that shit. I dont have a bunch of texts between us or facebook messages either so if something did happen no would know where it came from.

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keyser_soze said:

for all those who keep saying you would rather them be safe than in an unknown setting you should think about this:


it's better to let someone else have all the liability rather than you. Since you don't know the outcome of said drug because they have never tried it, assume all liability will be placed on you for whatever crazy shit said person does.

personally? i'd rather have them be someone else's liability.

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Yes, so this is the other choice. The hands off approach. This is easy if you don't really care for the other person.

If, however, you care a great deal, and let them go their own way without experience or knowledge, and something does go wrong, then you will feel responsible too. You will feel like you could have prevented it.

See, that's why it is a dilemma, and not just a problem with one answer.


Hanz.

Hanz said:

keyser_soze said:

for all those who keep saying you would rather them be safe than in an unknown setting you should think about this:


it's better to let someone else have all the liability rather than you. Since you don't know the outcome of said drug because they have never tried it, assume all liability will be placed on you for whatever crazy shit said person does.

personally? i'd rather have them be someone else's liability.

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Yes, so this is the other choice. The hands off approach. This is easy if you don't really care for the other person.

If, however, you care a great deal, and let them go their own way without experience or knowledge, and something does go wrong, then you will feel responsible too. You will feel like you could have prevented it.

See, that's why it is a dilemma, and not just a problem with one answer.


Hanz.

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keyser_soze said:

Hanz said:

keyser_soze said:

for all those who keep saying you would rather them be safe than in an unknown setting you should think about this:


it's better to let someone else have all the liability rather than you. Since you don't know the outcome of said drug because they have never tried it, assume all liability will be placed on you for whatever crazy shit said person does.

personally? i'd rather have them be someone else's liability.

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Yes, so this is the other choice. The hands off approach. This is easy if you don't really care for the other person.

If, however, you care a great deal, and let them go their own way without experience or knowledge, and something does go wrong, then you will feel responsible too. You will feel like you could have prevented it.

See, that's why it is a dilemma, and not just a problem with one answer.


Hanz.

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"caring" about someone who wants to take illegal substances for the first time and getting involved with a potential law enforcement situation is a line only an idiot would cross.


the laws don't "care"

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Well thank you for calling me an idiot because I care about my friends.

I can not help but think that perhaps you have yet to learn what it means to actually care for someone.

Maybe you have never cared about anyone. It's even possible no one has ever really cared about you.

In that case the dilemma simply does not exist for you.

I congratulate you with this fortunate state of affairs.

However, I do not have the freedom not to care about my friends.


Hanz.

keyser_soze said:

Hanz said:

keyser_soze said:

for all those who keep saying you would rather them be safe than in an unknown setting you should think about this:


it's better to let someone else have all the liability rather than you. Since you don't know the outcome of said drug because they have never tried it, assume all liability will be placed on you for whatever crazy shit said person does.

personally? i'd rather have them be someone else's liability.

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Yes, so this is the other choice. The hands off approach. This is easy if you don't really care for the other person.

If, however, you care a great deal, and let them go their own way without experience or knowledge, and something does go wrong, then you will feel responsible too. You will feel like you could have prevented it.

See, that's why it is a dilemma, and not just a problem with one answer.


Hanz.

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"caring" about someone who wants to take illegal substances for the first time and getting involved with a potential law enforcement situation is a line only an idiot would cross.


the laws don't "care"

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Thayendanegea said:

Hans is a loving and caring human being...everything he has ever contributed to this site has verified that. I say go with option 1 with low to moderate doses after thoroughly explaining  to them all of the "what to expects" from these substances. Of course, this option also depends on the mental frame of each person...if they are very anxious by nature...maybe rethink...or, at the very least keep a xanax on hand for emergency.

My girlfriend and I went through this with her 20 yr. old son and his gf....first time for both and they both had some anxiety issues. I concocted about 3 grams of ps. ovoids in orange juice and they split it between them. Since we were both sober, we were quite able to reroute any of the loops or anxieties that they were having by simply letting them know calmly that we were there and to get them outside in nature...she has a pretty secluded yard so...turned out great....they layed down in the grass on a warm sunny day and watched the clouds..
Anyway, my point is, that they both had a great experience but also witnessed the anxiety of the comeup of mushrooms and now better understand them...Oh yeah, they both threw up too. lol

this was because we were there to circumvent their anxieties as soon as they came up.

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That's very kind of you to say Thayen, it's also how I think of you.

Your story is the kind that I do hope for myself. The difference is that in your setting the young man was with his own mother. That means there is someone present who already has a natural responsible role that they are used to.

In my setting this will probably not be the case. These youngster will most likely not want to trip with their mother or father present. I'd be glad if they did not already regard me as one of the dull old generation

Yes, so this will probably be my choice: to first and foremost share knowledge, information, experience and connections. To at least make sure they understand what they're doing, getting, and taking.

Then, and only then, will I consider proposing that I could be some kind of trip sitter, or co-tripper.

Keep dosage low if it's a first time. Keep it reasonable if it's not. Nothing heroic.

Anyway, I'm still thinking about it.... 


Love, Hanz.