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Kids on drugs - how to deal with it
    #2574052 - 04/18/04 10:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

ok, i want to hear some opinions on this, the reason i ask is because i have a good friend who has a 14 years old boy who starts to get more and more into drugs. his parents doesnt do drugs themself and gives the boy a good home. the drugs he has started to take are cannabis, rohypnol and speed. now i was younger myself when i started out so i remember well that age. no matter what my parents said i ignored it. and this is the problem here. so the question is how would you deal with a situtation like that if you were the parent? or maybe someone has some real life experience with this

he came to me for advice since he knows i have long experience and knowledge about drugs but i must say answers were hard to find.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2574056 - 04/18/04 10:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i woudelnt worry about the canabis too much...but the speed and such can get ahole of the young ones quik.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2574062 - 04/18/04 10:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

find a copy of an excellent book by weil & rosen:
_from chocolate to morphine_
& have the kid & his parents read it...


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: gnrm23]
    #2574075 - 04/18/04 10:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, if anything, restricting the kid to weed would be important. I guess it depends on what the parent's views on drugs are.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2574085 - 04/18/04 10:41 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Thats a very early age to start with something like speed and rypper. I was 17 when I first tried those things, and I feel I have a good controll over thos substances and only really feel like doing them rarely. But at that age it might seem like too cool of a thing to even want to stop with.
The kid has to know how serious rohypnol and speed is. I dont know what else to say, sorry...
Well actually, maybe the kid will listen to you. I dont know about him, but seing as he's 14 and doing drugs he might be interested in listening to someone like you who is older and knows about drugs more than him.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: abhi]
    #2574097 - 04/18/04 10:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

actually that is what i wanted to say to him, but didnt because he wouldnt like that idea i think. im thinkin about inviting the boy over to my place and have a talk to him, maybe that would be easier if i talked to him who has knowledge and has been trough amphetamine addiction and the negative tail of crime and shit that follows speed use. but i dont want to try to scare him either but maybe just tell him hard facts wich isnt lies and what his friend or school wouldnt know about drugs.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2574099 - 04/18/04 10:45 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i smoked weed when i was 13-14..... just tell him to quit the speed and he'll be fine


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Infrared]
    #2574165 - 04/18/04 10:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

ya from chocolate to morphine is a great book
it gives strait facts about drugs with a little bit of humor thrown in

just get him of the speed and stuff and he will be fine


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: notapillow]
    #2574173 - 04/18/04 11:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

im gonna ask them to check that book out :smile:


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2574190 - 04/18/04 11:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Huh?! Just get him off the speed and he'll be fine? What about the roofies?! Thats bad shit too.

Shriek, I think you're idea sounds good.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2574777 - 04/19/04 03:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah just tell him to quit, he'll listen! not

Explain to him the risks of abusing speeds. I dont know much about speeds myself as I never been interested in it. I guess an occasional use is ok.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Gus]
    #2574789 - 04/19/04 03:47 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I dunno, I've seen so many people get hooked on meth. It's disgusting. Their personality just totally changes over time, they get all bitchy and irritable. Usually end up stealing shit to get more...I'd tell him to avoid it like the plague. Tell him to stick with weed if he absolutely has to do some drug.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Infrared]
    #2574860 - 04/19/04 04:09 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Weed kinda fucked me up when i was younger...


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: FatVsAsia]
    #2574885 - 04/19/04 04:15 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Weed kinda fucked me up when i was younger...




Think what speed and rohypnol would do to a 14 year olds brain. His brain is still developing. I agree with most everyone here . Tell him just to smoke bud but stay away from other drugs for now. He is far to young to be doing other things besides smoking bud.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: FatVsAsia]
    #2574900 - 04/19/04 04:18 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yah, ideally he should hold off on the drugs for at least a few more years...


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: FatVsAsia]
    #2574906 - 04/19/04 04:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If i ever Caught my kid with weed i would be like yea man its not that big of a deal. If he was drinking i wouldnt give a shit. I would just say dont drive or i will kick his ass. And ill give him a ride or whatever and not give a shit. I probaly would get a 12 pack and chill with him too.


But if i found pretty much anything that isnt weed or alcohol on him i think i would be pissed off pretty bad. Im not sure what i would do but i would do something


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2574907 - 04/19/04 04:21 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I think Erowid is the best tool for promoting responsible drug use. Make sure the kid knows the objective facts about the drugs, from a non-biased source.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: MarioNett]
    #2574922 - 04/19/04 04:26 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

yah, i read that sight all the time. Its a perfect FAQ supplier...


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2575452 - 04/19/04 05:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i would try to discourage them from doing any kind of drugs, because really, not much is gained from drugs...but that is an opinion statement only.
but if after like a year or so of trying and the kid is still into it, then let them go for it.
except for...crack, smack, and meth id let my kids try just about anything...and cigarettes they are filthy.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: anoun]
    #2575906 - 04/19/04 07:35 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Meth at 14, eh, the kid's stupid. He'll learn over time though.

There really is nothing that will 100% work, just try to educate the kid abut the physical and mental dangers of speed and try to get him to just smoke pot. Get him off the roofies too, but my bet is speed will be a more immediate problem, especially if he has an addictive personality.

I'd much rather have my kid do pot and mushrooms than alcohol and cigarettes though.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Ravus]
    #2575968 - 04/19/04 07:50 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Thousands of 14 year old use speed everyday. Only they call it adderal. Maybe the tike just wants to improve his gpa.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Ravus]
    #2576358 - 04/19/04 09:33 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

So all you speed users - what is this magical period that you say you've found where you can smoke speed without becoming addicted. Sounds like a myth to me :P. But if you do know it tell me cuz I'd sure like to know :smile:.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2576457 - 04/19/04 10:05 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Trying to educate him about drugs or getting him to educate himself is great.

But...

If you really want to help him, you have to educate yourself about him.  And you might need to get his parents to do the same...in a non-threatening, non-condescending manner.

For example:
If he's trying to use the drugs to solve problems, he's never going to stop using them until those problems are actually solved. 

You need to find out if he would feel comfortable talking with you about both the drugs and why he uses them.  The real reasons why; not to be cool, and not the pre-fabricated answer he has for anyone who asks the question.  Make it clear that you really care and are truely interested in talking with him.
If he doesn't want to talk with you about why he uses them, find someone he will talk with.

A couple random things:
make sure you don't use the arguement "you're just a kid".  This will likely just reinforce his desire to do them since at least part of it probably relates to maturing, feeling or wanting to be more adult, etc.

tell him that you're not trying to convince him that drugs are bad or evil or that no one should do them, but rather that there are certain times, reasons, situations, etc. for using them.  Its all about the relationship one has with the drug.


And I'll also say have both he and the parents read Chocolate to Morphine, and tell them both that you'll do your best to answer any questions that might arise from their reading.

I hope this helps.  I think I have some more ideas once you find out the reason he uses.  I really think it's great that you are willing and want to help him and his parents.  :thumbup:


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2576500 - 04/19/04 10:19 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Let the kid do the talking. Ask the kid why he wants to use drugs. If he's concerned about safety. What he knows about the drugs. See if the kid has answers to the hard questions.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2576665 - 04/19/04 11:34 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Ya I agree with what other people have said - I'd suggest talking to him and ask questions like the ones shriek suggested. Then educate him about the drugs in a factual non-dramatic manner. Tell him how to do the drugs safely in case he continues to use them. It can also be useful to let the person know how their behaviour is affecting other people - though it depends if that could be done amiably with this guy. You could maybe also ask him what he enjoys about using, what bothers him about using, what his long term goals are and how using fits in with his goals. Unfortunately, there is not much that can be done to make anyone give up drugs, so I would roll with it and leave yourself open as someone he can talk to if at a time in the future he needs someone.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Wysefool]
    #2576746 - 04/19/04 01:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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BlackZombie said:
So all you speed users - what is this magical period that you say you've found where you can smoke speed without becoming addicted. Sounds like a myth to me :P. But if you do know it tell me cuz I'd sure like to know :smile:.




Well, I'm not a speed user, though I use speed once in a blue moon... I guess this just makes me a not-so-frequent speed user.  The first time I did it I was like, "oh shit, I've opened a door I'll never be able to shut, this is such a cool rush" you know... the good thing about speed though, is it gets worse and worse for every time you try it.  You'll want to do every weekend when you try it, but if you think about the consequences and now what you're in for you'll know how to use speed.  You shroomerites seem to put speed in the same category as crack and smack... its far from that bad, but its a bad thing to get hooked on if you do.

I guess the boy is using the drugs for no other reason than the fact that they are fun to use, just imagine how mind blowing it can be for a 14-year old.  Shriek, maybe sharing a spliff with him will alow him to trust you and get him to be more interested in talking with you, sharing a spliff with him and giving him the speech about the drugs that really can be very dangerous will really sink into his head, because he'll see you really do know whats bad and not and you're not just another guy saying "just say no - to everything".


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: filthysock]
    #2577434 - 04/19/04 07:43 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

great answers here :smile: thanks

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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2577930 - 04/19/04 10:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)


Some great advice here!  :thumbup:

I think the important thing is that he came to you first. This gives you a huge upper hand as he looks up to you.  Make him feel good for doing this. 
Telling him he's smarter than his friends for using his brain would be a good idea. 
Treating him like a fellow adult would be your most valuable tool.
A comparison he could understand could also help...for example, fire. 
Fireworks are cool. Burning your house down and the skin off your face is not.  The difference is responsibility. 

Moderation should be a key subject.

Good luck!

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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2577955 - 04/19/04 10:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Well first off , try to take it one step further than when you said" now i was younger myself when i started out so i remember well that age. no matter what my parents said i ignored it."
Remeber how at that age you knew it all , and none of the crap older generations had to say was worthless and in no way could apply to what "we" were going thru i.e peeer pressures , self searching for identity , caught between being a child and a young adult yadda yadda blah ? Well ...hopefully you do , and now hopefully you  see that it was not a bunch of BS , and figure out how to teach it to the next gen of kids .
Personally I would try to express" honestly" , how today I see where my mistakes were at starting to party with substances (does not matter what ... booze , acid , ganja,speed.......... ) at to early an age was a "BIG" mistake , and in no means was I mature , experienced enough to make the right choice . Life is short , but some things should wait ... "There is plenty of time for such things , get life in some order !"
Maybe even tell them that when they come of age 18 ( 21 IMO ) you will gladly show them and share all you can ! But until then focus on getting ready for life away from the protective wing of home !
I would love to be "youthfull" again , but only if I knew then , what I know now ! :wink:
Tough topic , good luck , when mine comes of age I'll look you up , and see how it went . :crazy:


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: tripndicular]
    #2578005 - 04/19/04 10:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Good words there


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Ravus]
    #2578113 - 04/19/04 10:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Ravus said:
I'd much rather have my kid do pot and mushrooms than alcohol and cigarettes though.





I agree with the above statement completely ^^

It's a shame that alcohol is always perceived as less dangerous to your health by society simply because it is legal and is abused by people of all classes of society and people in political power etc. 
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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: abhi]
    #2582341 - 04/20/04 08:13 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

just for an update, this kid is coming over this weekend and are gonna help me put up a greenhouse for some money so im gonna talk to him then.  thanks again for all the good answers, i have a really good idea what to do, im gonna update this post after i met him and let ya know how thing went

again, thanks for great answers, they have been most helpful

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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2582354 - 04/20/04 08:15 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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im gonna update this post after i met him and let ya know how thing went




Do that, I'm curious to see how it goes.

What are you keeping in that greenhouse btw, he he he?


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: filthysock]
    #2582358 - 04/20/04 08:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

hehe tomatoes and squash actually :smile:


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: psyphon]
    #2582964 - 04/20/04 10:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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psyphon said:
Trying to educate him about drugs or getting him to educate himself is great.

But...

If you really want to help him, you have to educate yourself about him.  And you might need to get his parents to do the same...in a non-threatening, non-condescending manner.

For example:
If he's trying to use the drugs to solve problems, he's never going to stop using them until those problems are actually solved. 

You need to find out if he would feel comfortable talking with you about both the drugs and why he uses them.  The real reasons why; not to be cool, and not the pre-fabricated answer he has for anyone who asks the question.  Make it clear that you really care and are truely interested in talking with him.
If he doesn't want to talk with you about why he uses them, find someone he will talk with.

A couple random things:
make sure you don't use the arguement "you're just a kid".  This will likely just reinforce his desire to do them since at least part of it probably relates to maturing, feeling or wanting to be more adult, etc.

tell him that you're not trying to convince him that drugs are bad or evil or that no one should do them, but rather that there are certain times, reasons, situations, etc. for using them.  Its all about the relationship one has with the drug.


And I'll also say have both he and the parents read Chocolate to Morphine, and tell them both that you'll do your best to answer any questions that might arise from their reading.

I hope this helps.  I think I have some more ideas once you find out the reason he uses.  I really think it's great that you are willing and want to help him and his parents.  :thumbup:




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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Ripple]
    #2589669 - 04/22/04 10:13 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you! I really appreciate that  :smile:


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2589744 - 04/22/04 10:52 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

drive him down to the skid row and introduce him to a few examples of meth addicts. a pic is worth a 1000 words.


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: oDin]
    #2589747 - 04/22/04 10:53 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

:grin: I don't really think there is a skid row where Shriek lives...


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: Krishna]
    #2589921 - 04/22/04 02:03 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

hehe you think correctly :smile:


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Re: Kids on drugs - how to deal with it [Re: shriek]
    #2592615 - 04/23/04 05:43 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

dont you have an area where crackheads congregate to die?


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