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hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom
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Heres a old one,

Ive heard of people adding rattlesnake venom to there agar/substrate

It breaks the cell walls down of the mycelium and allows the nucleus of each cell to fuse togeather.

I mean, if you have ever seen what snake venom does to blood it really makes alot of sense how that would happen

That shit turns it into a solid block of blood, joins all the cells togeather and makes it look like jello

It is safe to drink though (praying you dont have any cuts on the way down and out of your body)so im guessing you could eat the mushrooms but honestly i wouldnt

I would grow more hybrids from the flushes and spore prints i get and mark thoes as safe

So my questions on this subject are, could i fuse spores togeather with snake venom inside the syringe or do you think they would all die?

Could i add it too a Liquid culture?

Could i add the venom to the water i spray on them when fruiting or should i just put it in the food?

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Cameron1996]
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venom is used in a very specific application. its $500 a gram, so I suggest you search for posts by RogerRabbit concerning venom before you do something stupid like add it to a mist bottle and spray your subs with it.

have you grown any mushrooms before?

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Munchauzen]
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I will check with him about the types of venom applicable for this method to see if any are locally avalible so i can get it free and purify it myself

How would i go about contacting rodger rabbit about this?

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Cameron1996]
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I wouldnt post in advanced mycology if ive never even grown mushrooms

That wouldnt be cool man theyd probaly ban me or something for bothering everybody

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Cameron1996]
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cubes don't need rattle snake venom, the spores have no clue that they are b positive or cambodian, for cubes it can be as simple as printing one on top of another and cloning the desired fruit or putting two isolates together on a plate.
rr has not been here for a long time either...what you planning here?


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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: cronicr]
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Doesn't the venom trick use monokaryotic mycelium? You will need some agar to achieve that, and as it has been said, Psilocybe cubensis will fuse with Psilocybe cubensis, doesn't matter what strain it is, or where it comes from. Where venom is needed is when doing two different species.

I am curious is something like chitinase would not work as well since it would weaken the cell wall, though to what degree I am not certain.


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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Mrcloudy]
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yes actually you are right cloudy, i never bothered looking into it...hybridizing sounds way out of my realm lol


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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
cubes don't need rattle snake venom, the spores have no clue that they are b positive or cambodian, for cubes it can be as simple as printing one on top of another and cloning the desired fruit or putting two isolates together on a plate.
rr has not been here for a long time either...what you planning here?



Anything really i just thought it would be a fun experiment to play with

Ill get as many different species as i can and see which ones cross

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Cameron1996]
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Yeah...do that.


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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: cronicr]
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Indeed

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Cameron1996]
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Yeah you need monokaryotic mycelium first which can be rather difficult in itself


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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: drake89]
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Thank you i will definatly research
monokaryotic mycelium

I do have a microscope and ill get the agar then ill need to look at the differences of the venom and the toxicity on mycelium

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Cameron1996]
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i've been researching this too.  all of the literature I can find that actually has detailed procedure uses PEG (wayyy cheaper than venom) to make protoplasts.  About the only paper available for free talks about P. florida and C. indica hybridizing which sounds like a pretty big gap.


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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: drake89]
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drake89 said:
i've been researching this too.  all of the literature I can find that actually has detailed procedure uses PEG (wayyy cheaper than venom) to make protoplasts.  About the only paper available for free talks about P. florida and C. indica hybridizing which sounds like a pretty big gap.



Thank you , keep up the great work my friend

Thats interesting to know it worked

And with a cheaper material is great news

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Cameron1996]
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I have a venom source but it can't be shipped. I don't have a way to freeze dry it. The venom I get is fresh and has to be used within minutes before it starts to break down. I posted in here long ago about this. There are a bunch of articles on the subject. Read through them all. I may be attempting a project in the near future with another fungi grower. But if anyone has any new literature on the subject please share.

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: myceliups]
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You could try chitinase or buy a rattlesnake<$400 at a reptile show, although depending on species it could have hepatoxic, neourotoxic, cytotoxic, myotoxic venom. There are like 15+ enzymes in rattlesnake venom, it would probably be cheaper to buy the enzymes and experiment with them.

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: Psilocybimater]
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Psilocybimater said:
You could try chitinase or buy a rattlesnake<$400 at a reptile show, although depending on species it could have hepatoxic, neourotoxic, cytotoxic, myotoxic venom. There are like 15+ enzymes in rattlesnake venom, it would probably be cheaper to buy the enzymes and experiment with them.



enzymes are uber expensive.  i read an indian paper where they extracted chitinase from trichoderma and filtered it.  PEG or other chemicals sounds a lot cheaper


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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: drake89]
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PEG is cheap and can be made easily in the lab. Chitinase may be a option as well. As for venom. I have a friend with venomous creatures. I can get free venom from him. A rattlesnake I forget the species and a gaboon viper. So I have my venom soure but what would my next step be. Make my agar dish and put my two fungi samples down and when they get close to reaching then put the venom down. I think that may be the easiest method. Maybe?

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Re: hybridizing mushrooms with rattlesnake venom [Re: myceliups]
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myceliups said:
PEG is cheap and can be made easily in the lab. Chitinase may be a option as well. As for venom. I have a friend with venomous creatures. I can get free venom from him. A rattlesnake I forget the species and a gaboon viper. So I have my venom soure but what would my next step be. Make my agar dish and put my two fungi samples down and when they get close to reaching then put the venom down. I think that may be the easiest method. Maybe?



I think you should get to reading some literature.  It's not that complicated, but not that easy either.  Google scholar --> PEG mediated protoplast fusion


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