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Invisibletheshiftingwalls
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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: Anno]
    #1648230 - 06/20/03 01:14 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Anno - Wouldn't it be great if one mushroom could produce a level 3 trip?
It would be more economical. One flush could produce several trips.
Another reason making new mushroom hybrids, MORE VARIETY TO GROW!

There needs to be a more economical way to grow mushrooms stronger then azures indoors. I suggest working with and altering the Psilocybin producing chromosomes.

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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1648287 - 06/20/03 01:33 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

sounds interesting. what's the next step?


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1648544 - 06/20/03 02:31 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

>Anno - Wouldn't it be great if one mushroom could produce a level 3
trip?

Not greater as if you had to take 2 mushrooms.

>It would be more economical.
What for? For the bulk growers who grow for the market? Probably.
For the home grower? Who cares if one has to eat one or 2 mushrooms...

>One flush could produce several trips.
I?m not sure about your flushes, but a flush of a semi big cased straw-dung tray growing P. cubensis produces several dozens of trips....

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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1648614 - 06/20/03 02:47 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

so do you have any research or equipment that makes you feel you might be capable of doing this? or did you just post to tell others that they should be spending their time doing this? Do you have any ideas to contribute, on how to force seperate species to mate? I think you're better off trying to cultivate species that have not yet been cultivated, than make a new specie to cultivate. It seems a lot simpler, as well. Go figure out how to reliably cultivate azures, would be my suggestion if you'd like potency.


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: Anno]
    #1648641 - 06/20/03 02:57 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

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I?m not sure about your flushes, but a flush of a semi big cased straw-dung tray growing P. cubensis produces several dozens of trips.... 





:grin:

I loved that, sorry for the worthless post. Personally I think this whole thread is worthless, kinda like the "do you think this is possible" thread. I especially liked the part where the spore vendors were included. Perhaps he thought they were the only people that could pull this off?


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: ATWAR]
    #1648761 - 06/20/03 03:41 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

as soon as I can establish it as unproductive, it's going to be closed. There seems to be a decent ammount of discussion so i'm holding off, but if the poster is just posting telling people they should try this.. it'll be closed. People know what they should try, they don't need someone to tell them ;\


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: Raadt]
    #1650843 - 06/21/03 11:35 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Raadt - Im attempting to grow Aruze indoors in the near future.
After I master the art of growing Azures indoors.

All I need is to make some indoor Azure isolates and it will make the strain more productive. After that I will try Cyans and make some isolates... Then I can try to do some hybridization attempts.

I just really need help on what setup I should use to put into cold-shock?

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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1650981 - 06/21/03 12:45 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

???? Cold-shock you could just use a fridge, but you need to keep it at about 50 F to fruit. Maybe use an old refrigerator for this and get it to 50 F?

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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: micro]
    #1653002 - 06/22/03 02:45 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Cold shock? Since Azures and Cyanes fruit in cold conditions, it would be a permanent cold shock throughout the fruiting cycle. On of teh coldest appliances in my house is that big white thing in the kitchen that slowly widens the hole in the ozone layer (reportedly).
Sorry mate, i think microbiologists would not bother trying to do this, so I dont like your chances.
No offence, but this thread aint going no where...


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #1653046 - 06/22/03 03:22 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I'm setting up a quite expensive setup like worth $300.
I'm using a mini fridge and messing with the electricity system.
I wont attempt hybrids but isolates.
Isolates will help concentrate potency, make the strain more productive, make it more uniform and more suitable for indoors.
Might take awhile but some ones got to do it.



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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: theshiftingwalls]
    #1653097 - 06/22/03 05:06 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Good luck.

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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: Anno]
    #1653307 - 06/22/03 09:54 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

a bit off-topic but did you know they have crossed a lion with a tiger ? some closely related species can sometimes cross-breed. some think it's even possible for a chimp-human cross. but any offspring are, of course, sterile.
but as to super-potent shrooms, i think it's a bad idea, it'll just cause even more over-doses, more freak-outs.


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: Hippie3]
    #1653387 - 06/22/03 11:09 AM (20 years, 9 months ago)

>did you know they have crossed a lion with a tiger
Yes.
More info here: http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/hybridisation.html

>some closely related species can sometimes cross-breed.
Also true.
But for the species of mushrooms we are talking about, there have already been cross breeding barriers determined, that being one of the factors defining each as an own species.

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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: Anno]
    #1654023 - 06/22/03 04:34 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, there is a procedure for crossing strains of fungi. It only takes a flow hood, and working knowlege of agar culture. Everyone has seen how sometimes with a spore print germinated on agar you have 'sectors' or zones that stay separate and don't grow together? Those are incompatable sub strains. Now, take two strains of mycelia and place them both 1/2" apart on the center of the same petri dish. If they stay separate, they are incompatable. If one simply overruns the other, it is simply a stronger strain. BUT, if the two strains grow 'together' and form what is known as a 'zipper' at the point of merging, (this will look like a third zone of mycelia) take a myc transfer from a rhizo that is LEAVING that zone, and you have created a third strain. It works, and the result will not be sterile. You may have to try a hundred times before you get a cross, but this is how it's done in the commercial mushroom industry. No gene splicing, no microscope, etc.


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #1654036 - 06/22/03 04:38 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Note above, I said 'strains' and not 'species'. I know this works with strains. It would be nice to see some guys trying to cross species the same way. I have no idea if it would work or not. My guess is probably not, but.....who knows?


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #1654170 - 06/22/03 05:51 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Well I just  lost 10 minutes of my time reading this thread.
Next time I think twice :frown:

I fully agree on Anno, what is the point of it all? Just take 2 or 3 mushrooms.

IMO Learn how to cultivate a super batch, become a true flush master. This works economical as it saves you time. You can do with less casings and save room and risk. Maybe this all is economical.
Better learn people how to cultivate then spending your time with selling mushrooms.

Well I felt free to put some more words to this wannabe locked post. 


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Re: New potent hybrid (Workman and Spore works company) [Re: MeneerCactus]
    #1654673 - 06/22/03 08:44 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Fuck every thing I said forget it...
In time I will show you my azure grow and this dead horse is done...

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