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any electricians want to help me make sense of this?
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so earlier this afternoon, something caused the power to go out in my house, but seemingly to just the outlets. when it occurred, the lights that were on in the house stayed on, but the things that were plugged into outlets and running lost power. that being the clothes dryer, the fridge (i assume, though i dont know for sure. it didnt get checked. running fine now though) and 4 window ac units, 2 running in the house, and 2 running to cool my moms grow rooms (which are otherwise on their own breakers and were not affected. veg  and flower each on their own 50 amp breaker) their ac units were plugged into the outlet for the garage, on a different breaker. there were also a few other random, smaller power items, like alarm clocks and things plugged in various locations that were not observed during the incident...

anyway, checked the breakers, and flipped them all even though none of them were tripped. only partial power was restored. seems a couple outlets in the house and the one in the garage still not working. i then moved the ac units cooling the grow rooms to the grow room outlets on the 50 amp breakers, and they kicked on just fine no problem... but then, one of the outlets in the house that didnt have power before, lit up.

then i tried turning back on one of the inside ac units. it tried to turn on, but just kind of barely turned like it wasnt getting enough power, while at the same time the outlet that was off earlier but turned back on, turned back off. other things were acting funny too. the clothes dryer hums with a bit of power but does nothing when turned on. the tv comes on, but only for about 5 seconds then goes dark, though the audio remains. my computer wont start though it trys to, over and over and over... and our water heater which is electric, is not heating the water properly. just barely warm really, though definitely heated some...

at first i though it was something to do with specific outlets that were maybe sharing a breaker, (when they added the garage they didnt label the breakers right, so theres some doubt about which breakers are operating a few of our outlets) but later found out that if i try to turn on one of the ac units, regardless of which outlet its plugged into, will trip the power to that same outlet from earlier. then i noticed that if i turn on an ac unit, switching the unit from ac to the fan only mode allows the barely moving motor to kick on full speed, and the fidgety outlet to come back on.

i had to plug my computer into the grow room via extension cord to get it to power on properly to make this post. so currently, the only way to run anything of significant power, is through those 50 amp grow room breakers. anywhere else is all fucked up. oh, except i did find one outlet that i could run an ac unit from properly, and without anything else shutting off. and the outlet in the garage seems to have no power now , in any circumstance.

any ideas?


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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this probably isnt your solution, cause its so obvious. but is it possible the GFI is tripped?


this would mainly apply if you have receptacles with little buttons on them like this:

Edited by Adolin (08/04/15 12:48 AM)

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Adolin]
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ya theres one in the bathroom. though honestly, i dont remember its position when everything happened...  but since then i have flipped through the test and reset buttons and it seems to be working fine, as long as you dont plug anything in that draws too much power, then you get the symptoms as described above.


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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Faulty breakers while you're trying to pull too much juice at once? My best guess but I'm not an expert.


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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
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how would i identify the one at fault? also, if it was a faulty breaker, would it still fuck up the way it is,  with any of the outlets on any of the breakers? seems to me that if a breaker was bad, the others would still be able to function properly, right? i know next to jack shit when it comes to electrical stuff though.


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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I'm not at all an expert so I couldn't tell you. Just knowing a bit of electrical theory and a general knowledge of electrical components you could say I have a hunch that you're drawing too much power from the breaker and it isn't shutting off as it's meant to do. Rather than shut off and say "hey there's a problem here" you're just spreading the current far too thin resulting in much less energy at every point of contact (dunno that that is what it's even called, but basically all all the points where energy is meant to be applied to power something).

It really seems like an odd situation that is probably going to take someone very familiar with home wiring to really give you any kind of solid idea.

Hope someone here can definitively answer, as I'd like to know to the answer as well.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip] * 1
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It does sound like you are drawing too much current somewhere, probably  from some faulty device or a short somewhere. Try turning off each breaker one at a time to see which circuit has the short. Everything should work fine when only the faulty circuit is turned off.

Is your grow room wired up properly to its own circuit breaker? I'm just curious if the grow room was wired up by someone who doesn't know what they were doing.


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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: searching]
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it was wired by a professional electrician. im sure its legit, especially since its the only part of the houses electrical  thats working properly atm. lol.


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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You could definitely be having power surges or have an unstable power supply. The electric company could be having problems. That's my only other guess if the above doesn't work.


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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: searching]
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well, im done fucking with it tonight. might try messing with it some tomorrow before work. im going to find some electrician forums and post on there too. id like to fix this without calling an electrician, if possible. depending on how severe the issue is anyway.


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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You kinda have to be wary of professional anything these days. Professional almost never means expert anymore. Shit, technically I'm a professional radiographer and have never taken even 1 x-ray. It doesn't take much to (legally) declare yourself a professional.

Not saying the guy didn't know what he was doing, but don't just assume he did because he was a "professional". He could've fucked something up by being totally inexperienced or taking shortcuts. There are a lot of things that could actually be causing the problem.

I have a vague understanding of electrical theory, and there are a few things that my limited understanding of it could see as a potential answer. I just don't know how to test for them.

Short of getting an electrician out there, my only suggestion is to play around with breaker box. You might be able to figure out the problem that way. As searching said, if you cut off various breakers and eventually find one that restores full capability to the rest of the property, somewhere in that particular line is the issue. But there's no guarantee the problem is centered on just one thing. Flipping them all off one by one and not finding the problem doesn't mean that's not the issue.

Could be a combination of multiple. Could be that's the not the problem to begin with.

As a side note, this is really something you should be dealing with ASAP. We have breakers for a reason. When they aren't functioning like they should (which seems to be the case here for whatever reason) you're at risk of an electrical fire. If some line in your house is getting way more juice than it's designed to handle, it could start a fire at any point.


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With my face against the floor I can’t see who knocked me out of the way.
I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

Edited by Shroomslip (08/04/15 02:03 AM)

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
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well sure, its possible he fucked something up... but less probable he than me, or one of my buddies who knows a guy or something...  i just find it strange that the issue is affecting the whole house electrical set up (aside from the grow rooms) all other electrical issues ive encountered (albeit, not that many) were more or less contained to that area of the house they power, you know? this just confuses me...


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
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There are a few reasons thay come to mijd in my experiance as an electrician, an alarms technician and house flipper.
If there is a physical installation problem it could be a few things You may have a lot of shared neutrals or lose wires on your breakers. So it can trip multiple circuits and faulty breakers won't flip switch. Its the first thing that goes on old breakers especially with constant breaking. And loose wires or grounds touching wires anywhere can cause a problem, either in the outlets, the device or the main panel. They can be causing grounds to pull power but not fully break it.
If its a service issue seams more likely.
It seems you have a lot plugged into your home and if your house was never calculated correctly it can simply not have enough power to supply constant power to everything in the house, most houses cannot. This is likely your biggest factor.

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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and ya, i get that its important to get this fixed quick... if an answer doesnt find me by the end of tomorrow sometime, ill be calling in another (maybe not so) professional.


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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Sounds like your house isnt getting enough power to meet your power needs.

Bawically, your high watt things are "stealing" power from other outlets in the house, making them not work.

the low powered fan on your AC sounds like it had the voltage but not enough amperage. Your house like many others have parellel curcuits which keeps the voltage the same but amperage is deducted at each outlet.

I would turn off all your grow lights and other high draw things in your grow room. Then see if other outlets in the house will work.


I would have a electrician look at


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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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if you really need to check the electrical system of any house, stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet. seriously.


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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: istandalone]
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istandalone said:
if you really need to check the electrical system of any house, stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet. seriously.



But only do this if you are completely retarded.

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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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It may be a faulty connection somewhere. Outlets that sometimes work and sometimes don't sound like a bad connection. It could be at the breaker box. I would get a different electrician to look at it.


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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
istandalone said:
if you really need to check the electrical system of any house, stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet. seriously.



But only do this if you are completely retarded.


You can safely do this. Simply make sure that only one hand is on the paperclip and that the paperclip is only going into one of the two current carrying terminals (the top left and right parts of the outlet) :cookiemonster:

It's AC, it needs a circuit for electricity to flow. Sticking a paperclip into one terminal ain't gonna do anything.
Shroomslip said:
I'm not at all an expert so I couldn't tell you. Just knowing a bit of electrical theory and a general knowledge of electrical components you could say I have a hunch that you're drawing too much power from the breaker and it isn't shutting off as it's meant to do. Rather than shut off and say "hey there's a problem here" you're just spreading the current far too thin resulting in much less energy at every point of contact (dunno that that is what it's even called, but basically all all the points where energy is meant to be applied to power something).

It really seems like an odd situation that is probably going to take someone very familiar with home wiring to really give you any kind of solid idea.

Hope someone here can definitively answer, as I'd like to know to the answer as well.


Something alone these lines may be your issue. It could be about 5 other things, either alone or compounded with another issue.


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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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hard to diagnose without being there.. However sounds much like a voltage dip from outside.

if you live on some housing plan. other homes may be drawing power and causing a voltage/ampere loss to your home. happens a lot in the summer time when everyone is using ac/fans ect..

you should check see if your home is 100amp or 200amp service ..

faulty breaker been mentioned - they would no longer clip when broken. it would just bounce back to off ..

you can easy add up all the watts and do a little math to see if home has enough amps to meet your needs. < even so a draw on the current before it reaches your home will cause fault.


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