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any electricians want to help me make sense of this?
#22040104 - 08/03/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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so earlier this afternoon, something caused the power to go out in my house, but seemingly to just the outlets. when it occurred, the lights that were on in the house stayed on, but the things that were plugged into outlets and running lost power. that being the clothes dryer, the fridge (i assume, though i dont know for sure. it didnt get checked. running fine now though) and 4 window ac units, 2 running in the house, and 2 running to cool my moms grow rooms (which are otherwise on their own breakers and were not affected. veg and flower each on their own 50 amp breaker) their ac units were plugged into the outlet for the garage, on a different breaker. there were also a few other random, smaller power items, like alarm clocks and things plugged in various locations that were not observed during the incident...
anyway, checked the breakers, and flipped them all even though none of them were tripped. only partial power was restored. seems a couple outlets in the house and the one in the garage still not working. i then moved the ac units cooling the grow rooms to the grow room outlets on the 50 amp breakers, and they kicked on just fine no problem... but then, one of the outlets in the house that didnt have power before, lit up.
then i tried turning back on one of the inside ac units. it tried to turn on, but just kind of barely turned like it wasnt getting enough power, while at the same time the outlet that was off earlier but turned back on, turned back off. other things were acting funny too. the clothes dryer hums with a bit of power but does nothing when turned on. the tv comes on, but only for about 5 seconds then goes dark, though the audio remains. my computer wont start though it trys to, over and over and over... and our water heater which is electric, is not heating the water properly. just barely warm really, though definitely heated some...
at first i though it was something to do with specific outlets that were maybe sharing a breaker, (when they added the garage they didnt label the breakers right, so theres some doubt about which breakers are operating a few of our outlets) but later found out that if i try to turn on one of the ac units, regardless of which outlet its plugged into, will trip the power to that same outlet from earlier. then i noticed that if i turn on an ac unit, switching the unit from ac to the fan only mode allows the barely moving motor to kick on full speed, and the fidgety outlet to come back on.
i had to plug my computer into the grow room via extension cord to get it to power on properly to make this post. so currently, the only way to run anything of significant power, is through those 50 amp grow room breakers. anywhere else is all fucked up. oh, except i did find one outlet that i could run an ac unit from properly, and without anything else shutting off. and the outlet in the garage seems to have no power now , in any circumstance.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22040116 - 08/03/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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this probably isnt your solution, cause its so obvious. but is it possible the GFI is tripped?
this would mainly apply if you have receptacles with little buttons on them like this:
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Adolin]
#22040131 - 08/03/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ya theres one in the bathroom. though honestly, i dont remember its position when everything happened... but since then i have flipped through the test and reset buttons and it seems to be working fine, as long as you dont plug anything in that draws too much power, then you get the symptoms as described above.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22040136 - 08/03/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Faulty breakers while you're trying to pull too much juice at once? My best guess but I'm not an expert.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22040176 - 08/03/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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how would i identify the one at fault? also, if it was a faulty breaker, would it still fuck up the way it is, with any of the outlets on any of the breakers? seems to me that if a breaker was bad, the others would still be able to function properly, right? i know next to jack shit when it comes to electrical stuff though.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22040215 - 08/03/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not at all an expert so I couldn't tell you. Just knowing a bit of electrical theory and a general knowledge of electrical components you could say I have a hunch that you're drawing too much power from the breaker and it isn't shutting off as it's meant to do. Rather than shut off and say "hey there's a problem here" you're just spreading the current far too thin resulting in much less energy at every point of contact (dunno that that is what it's even called, but basically all all the points where energy is meant to be applied to power something).
It really seems like an odd situation that is probably going to take someone very familiar with home wiring to really give you any kind of solid idea.
Hope someone here can definitively answer, as I'd like to know to the answer as well.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip] 1
#22040258 - 08/03/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It does sound like you are drawing too much current somewhere, probably from some faulty device or a short somewhere. Try turning off each breaker one at a time to see which circuit has the short. Everything should work fine when only the faulty circuit is turned off.
Is your grow room wired up properly to its own circuit breaker? I'm just curious if the grow room was wired up by someone who doesn't know what they were doing.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: searching]
#22040267 - 08/03/15 11:45 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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it was wired by a professional electrician. im sure its legit, especially since its the only part of the houses electrical thats working properly atm. lol.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22040275 - 08/03/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You could definitely be having power surges or have an unstable power supply. The electric company could be having problems. That's my only other guess if the above doesn't work.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: searching]
#22040298 - 08/03/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, im done fucking with it tonight. might try messing with it some tomorrow before work. im going to find some electrician forums and post on there too. id like to fix this without calling an electrician, if possible. depending on how severe the issue is anyway.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22040301 - 08/03/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You kinda have to be wary of professional anything these days. Professional almost never means expert anymore. Shit, technically I'm a professional radiographer and have never taken even 1 x-ray. It doesn't take much to (legally) declare yourself a professional.
Not saying the guy didn't know what he was doing, but don't just assume he did because he was a "professional". He could've fucked something up by being totally inexperienced or taking shortcuts. There are a lot of things that could actually be causing the problem.
I have a vague understanding of electrical theory, and there are a few things that my limited understanding of it could see as a potential answer. I just don't know how to test for them.
Short of getting an electrician out there, my only suggestion is to play around with breaker box. You might be able to figure out the problem that way. As searching said, if you cut off various breakers and eventually find one that restores full capability to the rest of the property, somewhere in that particular line is the issue. But there's no guarantee the problem is centered on just one thing. Flipping them all off one by one and not finding the problem doesn't mean that's not the issue.
Could be a combination of multiple. Could be that's the not the problem to begin with.
As a side note, this is really something you should be dealing with ASAP. We have breakers for a reason. When they aren't functioning like they should (which seems to be the case here for whatever reason) you're at risk of an electrical fire. If some line in your house is getting way more juice than it's designed to handle, it could start a fire at any point.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22040334 - 08/04/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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well sure, its possible he fucked something up... but less probable he than me, or one of my buddies who knows a guy or something... i just find it strange that the issue is affecting the whole house electrical set up (aside from the grow rooms) all other electrical issues ive encountered (albeit, not that many) were more or less contained to that area of the house they power, you know? this just confuses me...
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22040342 - 08/04/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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There are a few reasons thay come to mijd in my experiance as an electrician, an alarms technician and house flipper. If there is a physical installation problem it could be a few things You may have a lot of shared neutrals or lose wires on your breakers. So it can trip multiple circuits and faulty breakers won't flip switch. Its the first thing that goes on old breakers especially with constant breaking. And loose wires or grounds touching wires anywhere can cause a problem, either in the outlets, the device or the main panel. They can be causing grounds to pull power but not fully break it. If its a service issue seams more likely. It seems you have a lot plugged into your home and if your house was never calculated correctly it can simply not have enough power to supply constant power to everything in the house, most houses cannot. This is likely your biggest factor.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22040346 - 08/04/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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and ya, i get that its important to get this fixed quick... if an answer doesnt find me by the end of tomorrow sometime, ill be calling in another (maybe not so) professional.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22040368 - 08/04/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like your house isnt getting enough power to meet your power needs.
Bawically, your high watt things are "stealing" power from other outlets in the house, making them not work.
the low powered fan on your AC sounds like it had the voltage but not enough amperage. Your house like many others have parellel curcuits which keeps the voltage the same but amperage is deducted at each outlet.
I would turn off all your grow lights and other high draw things in your grow room. Then see if other outlets in the house will work.
I would have a electrician look at
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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if you really need to check the electrical system of any house, stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet. seriously.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: istandalone]
#22041431 - 08/04/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
istandalone said: if you really need to check the electrical system of any house, stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet. seriously.
But only do this if you are completely retarded.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22041502 - 08/04/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It may be a faulty connection somewhere. Outlets that sometimes work and sometimes don't sound like a bad connection. It could be at the breaker box. I would get a different electrician to look at it.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
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Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said:
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istandalone said: if you really need to check the electrical system of any house, stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet. seriously.
But only do this if you are completely retarded.
You can safely do this. Simply make sure that only one hand is on the paperclip and that the paperclip is only going into one of the two current carrying terminals (the top left and right parts of the outlet) 
It's AC, it needs a circuit for electricity to flow. Sticking a paperclip into one terminal ain't gonna do anything. Quote:
Shroomslip said: I'm not at all an expert so I couldn't tell you. Just knowing a bit of electrical theory and a general knowledge of electrical components you could say I have a hunch that you're drawing too much power from the breaker and it isn't shutting off as it's meant to do. Rather than shut off and say "hey there's a problem here" you're just spreading the current far too thin resulting in much less energy at every point of contact (dunno that that is what it's even called, but basically all all the points where energy is meant to be applied to power something).
It really seems like an odd situation that is probably going to take someone very familiar with home wiring to really give you any kind of solid idea.
Hope someone here can definitively answer, as I'd like to know to the answer as well.
Something alone these lines may be your issue. It could be about 5 other things, either alone or compounded with another issue.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22041547 - 08/04/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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hard to diagnose without being there.. However sounds much like a voltage dip from outside.
if you live on some housing plan. other homes may be drawing power and causing a voltage/ampere loss to your home. happens a lot in the summer time when everyone is using ac/fans ect.. you should check see if your home is 100amp or 200amp service ..
faulty breaker been mentioned - they would no longer clip when broken. it would just bounce back to off ..
you can easy add up all the watts and do a little math to see if home has enough amps to meet your needs. < even so a draw on the current before it reaches your home will cause fault.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: orison]
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For the record I'm actually an industrial electrician that has done some residential contracting work.
Anyway, based up the way large appliances won't run right it sound like your voltage is dropping way low. This could be for any number of reasons.
One reason could be a loose connection somewhere. This would be very bad as it can get extremely hot at a loose connection and even start a fire.
Another reason could be excess loading from inside the home. Just trying to run way too many things on a service that isn't large enough.
Another reason could be that the line voltage coming into the house is dropping. Not your fault at all.
All in all this is a fairly bad thing. Even if the problem is outside you home, trying to run appliances without adequate voltage can damage them. I mean think about that TV with the sound, but no picture, or the AC unit that hums but doesn't turn over. That isn't good for those things at all and I'd expect stuff to start breaking if this keeps up.
If I was you I'd go buy a cheap multimeter for less than $20 at a home improvement store or maybe even at Walmart. You can get one with the big clamp that will allow you to check current draws in addition to voltage.
Then you can check you voltage at various outlets or at the breaker box during problems and when things seem normal. You can plug things in and see what the voltage does,that sort of thing.
You can even use the clamp on Ammeter to clip onto individual circuit wires or on to the main feeder to figure out how much current your house is drawing and where it is going.
Basically you can start by checking voltage in some unused outlets by sticking on lead in each of the vertical slots. You should see around 120 Volts AC. If it is significantly less, like less than 110 you'll know you have a problem.
You can even read the voltage in the upper part of an outlet and then plug an air conditioner in to the lower one and turn it on to see what happens. You should see small voltage drops when you load a circuit, but nothing more than a few volts.
After that you can carefully take the cover off the breaker box and check voltages and currents from there. Maybe you should check back then,if you get that far, and someone can walk you through reading the voltage and currents in there. What you are looking for may depend on what you see out at the outlets.
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If it was a problem of the lines not being able to supply enough amps then there would be a problem with all circuits, not just the one with the plugs. Putting a paper clip in the receptacle is idiotic and does no good. Get one of those cheap neon voltage testers or a multimeter.
As I said, its probably a bad connection somewhere. OP, don't try to fix it yourself, get an electrician.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22042094 - 08/04/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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so i flipped all the breakers off one by one, checking for restored power in between each and came up with nothing. unplugging everything grow room related had no effect either. will be calling an electrician tomorrow.
what i find strange (which maybe isnt, i dont really know) is that if it was an issue where i have too many things going at once or something like that, wouldnt this have happened sooner? i mean, we have been running everything the way its been set up all summer long and havent had any problems until now. and why would everything be affected except for the grow rooms?
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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well, it does seem to be a problem with all the circuits, aside from the ones the grow rooms are on anyway. to clarify, all the outlets do seem to be working, there just seems to not be enough power coming out of them.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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Your area may be experiencinng a brown out due to everybody running their AC. Is it hot as fuck there?
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
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its been a bit hot, ya... but nothing too crazy.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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Nope, not a brown out. If it was that then the grow room would have problems too.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Sounds like it could have been a power power surge. How old is your house? You're going to need an electrician most likely. No ones gonna be able to troubleshoot for you herehere
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: DurgaDurg]
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Power to most houses is supplied by two lines. One of 180 out of phase from the other. Your regular 120 volt circuits are supplied somewhat randomly by one or the other. 240 volt circuits are supplied by both. Sounds like one of those lines isn't working.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
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If you have a volt meter, test a 240 outlet. Test one prong against ground and then the other prong against ground. They both should read ~120v my guess is one won't.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: If it was a problem of the lines not being able to supply enough amps then there would be a problem with all circuits, not just the one with the plugs. Putting a paper clip in the receptacle is idiotic and does no good. Get one of those cheap neon voltage testers or a multimeter.
As I said, its probably a bad connection somewhere. OP, don't try to fix it yourself, get an electrician.
Like I said, houses are supplied by two lines. One sounds like it's working right, and the other isn't.
It's possible when they wired up the house, the electrician put too many circuits (or too many high wattage appliances) on one line.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
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AC and Refrig usually have dedicated circuits.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22042835 - 08/04/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It sounds like you lost 1 leg of your service or it has become loose. Is your 240v equipment working? Like if you turn on the oven does it heat up? Is your water heater working?
Take the cover off your panel and see if you notice any burn marks anywhere. Especially the big wires at the top/bottom of the panel. Just be careful and don't touch anything inside of the panel if you don't know what you're doing.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22042975 - 08/04/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If he lost one leg of the 240 circuit, then some circuits would be out entirely, about half of them. It would not make the plugs intermittent. The water heater would still work just not get as hot. Probably a bad connection somewhere. Good point about looking for overheating in the panel box. Just don't touch anything.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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240 v circuits would not work at all because there wouldn't be a complete circuit if one of the legs is down.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Oh I thought some circuits were completely out. Didn't realize they were intermittent. Could still be that he has a loose leg. A 240v won't heat when there is a leg missing,that would create an open circuit.
Could be loose wires in the panel or on the outlets too. You can turn off your main breaker or every breaker in the panel, or do both to be safe. Then tighten every screw on each breaker and the nuetrals. If you don't feel safe then ask a neighbor if they would help you. Otherwise call an electrician.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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so apparently it was a faulty main breaker, which i was completely unaware we had. it was hiding out back by the meter. but what still confuses me, is why the grow rooms werent affected. if it was the main breaker, youd think it would hit the whole house? i wasnt home when the electrician came by so i wasnt able to talk to him...
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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Your grow room must have been wired on its own circuit, which could be bad if he has no circuit breaker in line with it.
Try shutting off the main breaker then all of the other ones. One of them should shut off the grow room, but if it doesn't then that's bad. Hopefully nothing in there ever shorts out if so it could start a fire.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: searching]
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Its not the main breaker if it doesn't cut out the grow room. It still sounds fishy, too bad you couldn't talk to the electrician directly. It was probably one of the other breakers that was faulty or intermittent.
There is no way your grow room is wired directly to power coming in, it has to go through the panel first. Try shutting of various breakers like searching said to see which one it was.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22054688 - 08/06/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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wrestler_az said: so apparently it was a faulty main breaker, which i was completely unaware we had. it was hiding out back by the meter. but what still confuses me, is why the grow rooms werent affected. if it was the main breaker, youd think it would hit the whole house? i wasnt home when the electrician came by so i wasnt able to talk to him...
Because only one of the two incoming legs was effected.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
#22054755 - 08/06/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok, so like you were talking about earlier with the 2 lines coming into the house... they feed into the same breaker, and even though it was faulty, only the one line was affected?
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
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You got two 120v lines feeding your house. (Red and Black in this diagram) Most likely one was working fine, the other one not.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
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cool, thanks guys.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22055120 - 08/06/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The electrician who worked on it said it was a breaker, not a bad line.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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It could have been only one leg within the breaker was defective.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055179 - 08/06/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A breaker only deals with one leg. You can strap 2 together so that they trip at the same time but its still 2 separate breakers.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Doesn't the main have two going in?
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said: A breaker only deals with one leg. You can strap 2 together so that they trip at the same time but its still 2 separate breakers.
this is what it appears to be
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055231 - 08/06/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Doesn't the main have two going in?
The main will be 2 breakers with the switches connected so that they trip at the same time.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
#22055262 - 08/06/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You got two 120v lines feeding your house. (Red and Black in this diagram) Most likely one was working fine, the other one not.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055341 - 08/06/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Zap, the breaker in the diagram is actually 2 breakers strapped together. Or would you like to bet on it? They sell them that way, call them 240v breakers. Each half connects to one side and the other half to the other side. In the main panel, one output from the main breaker goes to each side. Alternate 120v breakers are on different sides. Top one on the left is, lets call it red side, the next one below that is black. Each will provide 120v to neutral or to ground. Connecting between the output of two 120v breakers, one right below the other gives 240v. That's all a 240v breakers does. It connects to two sides but its just basically 2 x 120v breakers put together.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Ya know I've been inside a lot of breaker boxes and the main is always a single unit. You take it out in one piece and both legs are attached to one unit that has one ganged switch that you cannot trip separately.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055542 - 08/06/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Ya know I've been inside a lot of breaker boxes and the main is always a single unit. You take it out in one piece and both legs are attached to one unit that has one ganged switch that you cannot trip separately.
It looks like a single unit, they build them together. However, each side of the breaker has a connection to a different incoming, left or right. The output of the breaker is two parts also. I already said that the switch is connected so they trip together. However it is 2 separate breakers combined into one unit. If one leg has an overload, the side that trips will trip the whole main breaker stopping current completely.
Its 2 wires going into the main and two outputs, one for each side. They are arranged so that you can get 240 by using another ganged breaker, similar to how the main is set up but it connects to the metal contacts in the panel. That is the difference between the main and a 240 breaker that you use for the stove or hot water heater. The main has wires coming into it and the output connects to the bars on the panel. The breaker for hot water connects to the panel and you connect wires to it.
You can't design a main breaker so that there is just one solenoid that trips with overload because the two lines coming in can not be connected together or ZAPPPP! So each leg has its own protection and instead of just breaking one leg it breaks them both. There is no reason a main could not be two separate breakers without the switches strapped together but that is how they make them.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
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The main is one single breaker. Not two strapped together. Some breakers you can connect together or take apart, but not all of them. One example is a sq d homeline 240v breaker is sold as one breaker. Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg. Is that what you are trying to say?
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22055563 - 08/06/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Loph, you are correct overall but the main is indeed two breakers combined into one. You can't take them apart and use them separately, that is true.
> Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg.
Yes, the parts for 2 breakers inside one box. 2 mechanical devices, one on each leg and if either trips, it shuts off the whole breaker.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Lophosaurus said: The main is one single breaker. Not two strapped together. Some breakers you can connect together or take apart, but not all of them. One example is a sq d homeline 240v breaker is sold as one breaker. Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg. Is that what you are trying to say?
Stonehenge's description, while in-artful, is correct. Externally, it will often look like one breaker (another brand may look like two separate breakers fastened together).

Sometimes there is but a single handle.

In either case, internally, there is the functional equivalent of two parallel breakers sandwiched into one case. Both internal breakers are tied together so they trip simultaneously. This is so no one is harmed while working on the system.
It sounds like in the OP's case, one of the two legs (breakers) inside the main was defective.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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istandalone said: if you really need to check the electrical system of any house, stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet. seriously.
But only do this if you are completely retarded.
to not realize that was said in jest is as you put it, completely retarded
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Lophosaurus said: The main is one single breaker. Not two strapped together. Some breakers you can connect together or take apart, but not all of them. One example is a sq d homeline 240v breaker is sold as one breaker. Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg. Is that what you are trying to say?
Stonehenge's description, while in-artful, is correct. Externally, it will often look like one breaker (another brand may look like two separate breakers fastened together).

Sometimes there is but a single handle.

In either case, internally, there is the functional equivalent of two parallel breakers sandwiched into one case. Both internal breakers are tied together so they trip simultaneously. This is so no one is harmed while working on the system.
It sounds like in the OP's case, one of the two legs (breakers) inside the main was defective.
That was what I was saying
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
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I said it first like a week ago
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Just pointing out that I'm good for other things besides keeping JFT's mouf full.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
#22059312 - 08/07/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes but that is only a hobby. Filling JFT's mouf is a calling and a potential occupation
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Lophosaurus said: The main is one single breaker. Not two strapped together. Some breakers you can connect together or take apart, but not all of them. One example is a sq d homeline 240v breaker is sold as one breaker. Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg. Is that what you are trying to say?
Stonehenge's description, while in-artful, is correct. Externally, it will often look like one breaker (another brand may look like two separate breakers fastened together).

Sometimes there is but a single handle.

In either case, internally, there is the functional equivalent of two parallel breakers sandwiched into one case. Both internal breakers are tied together so they trip simultaneously. This is so no one is harmed while working on the system.
It sounds like in the OP's case, one of the two legs (breakers) inside the main was defective.
That was what I was saying
No, you and the others said the main was only one breaker not two, not two built together. One of these days you will admit when you are wrong and everyone will be shocked.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
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Every panel I have ever seen the main breaker is one unit. And I have seen more than a few. You cannot trip one leg off if you wanted to. Please shut up, Helmut
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22060121 - 08/07/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you being deliberately stupid zappa? I already said it was one unit, sometimes 2 breakers strapped together and sometimes both built into one. LDS gave links so that even the stupid could understand, or so I thought.
>You cannot trip one leg off if you wanted to.
Which is exactly what I said. Piss off, Adolph.
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zappaisgod
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22060145 - 08/07/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's what I said from the beginning
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risky80
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22060207 - 08/07/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like a wiring issue. I would start with. Shutting off power to the room you are having a problem with. Open all the outlets and check all splices. If i had to guess it sounds like. You may have a bad splice or an open neutral. Inbx me if you want to talk. I am a electician.
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Shroomslip
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: risky80]
#22060226 - 08/07/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's already solved his problem. Now people are just bitching at each other over petty shit.
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wrestler_az
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Shroomslip]
#22060345 - 08/07/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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just another day at the shroomery
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Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM)
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