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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
#22054755 - 08/06/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok, so like you were talking about earlier with the 2 lines coming into the house... they feed into the same breaker, and even though it was faulty, only the one line was affected?
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22054794 - 08/06/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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You got two 120v lines feeding your house. (Red and Black in this diagram) Most likely one was working fine, the other one not.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
#22054845 - 08/06/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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cool, thanks guys.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: wrestler_az]
#22055120 - 08/06/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The electrician who worked on it said it was a breaker, not a bad line.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22055135 - 08/06/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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It could have been only one leg within the breaker was defective.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055179 - 08/06/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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A breaker only deals with one leg. You can strap 2 together so that they trip at the same time but its still 2 separate breakers.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22055193 - 08/06/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doesn't the main have two going in?
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22055204 - 08/06/15 07:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: A breaker only deals with one leg. You can strap 2 together so that they trip at the same time but its still 2 separate breakers.
this is what it appears to be
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055231 - 08/06/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Doesn't the main have two going in?
The main will be 2 breakers with the switches connected so that they trip at the same time.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
#22055262 - 08/06/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said:

You got two 120v lines feeding your house. (Red and Black in this diagram) Most likely one was working fine, the other one not.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055341 - 08/06/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Zap, the breaker in the diagram is actually 2 breakers strapped together. Or would you like to bet on it? They sell them that way, call them 240v breakers. Each half connects to one side and the other half to the other side. In the main panel, one output from the main breaker goes to each side. Alternate 120v breakers are on different sides. Top one on the left is, lets call it red side, the next one below that is black. Each will provide 120v to neutral or to ground. Connecting between the output of two 120v breakers, one right below the other gives 240v. That's all a 240v breakers does. It connects to two sides but its just basically 2 x 120v breakers put together.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Stonehenge]
#22055412 - 08/06/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya know I've been inside a lot of breaker boxes and the main is always a single unit. You take it out in one piece and both legs are attached to one unit that has one ganged switch that you cannot trip separately.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055542 - 08/06/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Ya know I've been inside a lot of breaker boxes and the main is always a single unit. You take it out in one piece and both legs are attached to one unit that has one ganged switch that you cannot trip separately.
It looks like a single unit, they build them together. However, each side of the breaker has a connection to a different incoming, left or right. The output of the breaker is two parts also. I already said that the switch is connected so they trip together. However it is 2 separate breakers combined into one unit. If one leg has an overload, the side that trips will trip the whole main breaker stopping current completely.
Its 2 wires going into the main and two outputs, one for each side. They are arranged so that you can get 240 by using another ganged breaker, similar to how the main is set up but it connects to the metal contacts in the panel. That is the difference between the main and a 240 breaker that you use for the stove or hot water heater. The main has wires coming into it and the output connects to the bars on the panel. The breaker for hot water connects to the panel and you connect wires to it.
You can't design a main breaker so that there is just one solenoid that trips with overload because the two lines coming in can not be connected together or ZAPPPP! So each leg has its own protection and instead of just breaking one leg it breaks them both. There is no reason a main could not be two separate breakers without the switches strapped together but that is how they make them.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22055543 - 08/06/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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The main is one single breaker. Not two strapped together. Some breakers you can connect together or take apart, but not all of them. One example is a sq d homeline 240v breaker is sold as one breaker. Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg. Is that what you are trying to say?
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22055563 - 08/06/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Loph, you are correct overall but the main is indeed two breakers combined into one. You can't take them apart and use them separately, that is true.
> Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg.
Yes, the parts for 2 breakers inside one box. 2 mechanical devices, one on each leg and if either trips, it shuts off the whole breaker.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: Lophosaurus]
#22056849 - 08/07/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lophosaurus said: The main is one single breaker. Not two strapped together. Some breakers you can connect together or take apart, but not all of them. One example is a sq d homeline 240v breaker is sold as one breaker. Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg. Is that what you are trying to say?
Stonehenge's description, while in-artful, is correct. Externally, it will often look like one breaker (another brand may look like two separate breakers fastened together).

Sometimes there is but a single handle.

In either case, internally, there is the functional equivalent of two parallel breakers sandwiched into one case. Both internal breakers are tied together so they trip simultaneously. This is so no one is harmed while working on the system.
It sounds like in the OP's case, one of the two legs (breakers) inside the main was defective.
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#22056920 - 08/07/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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istandalone said: if you really need to check the electrical system of any house, stick a paper clip in the electrical outlet. seriously.
But only do this if you are completely retarded.
to not realize that was said in jest is as you put it, completely retarded
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#22059186 - 08/07/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Lophosaurus said: The main is one single breaker. Not two strapped together. Some breakers you can connect together or take apart, but not all of them. One example is a sq d homeline 240v breaker is sold as one breaker. Inside the breaker there is a mechanism to detect a fault in each leg. Is that what you are trying to say?
Stonehenge's description, while in-artful, is correct. Externally, it will often look like one breaker (another brand may look like two separate breakers fastened together).

Sometimes there is but a single handle.

In either case, internally, there is the functional equivalent of two parallel breakers sandwiched into one case. Both internal breakers are tied together so they trip simultaneously. This is so no one is harmed while working on the system.
It sounds like in the OP's case, one of the two legs (breakers) inside the main was defective.
That was what I was saying
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: zappaisgod]
#22059229 - 08/07/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I said it first like a week ago
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Re: any electricians want to help me make sense of this? [Re: koods]
#22059240 - 08/07/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know
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