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OfflineSquattingMarmot
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9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable
    #2186901 - 12/18/03 03:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable

(CBS) For the first time, the chairman of the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publicly that 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston.

"This is a very, very important part of history and we've got to tell it right," said Thomas Kean.

"As you read the report, you're going to have a pretty clear idea what wasn't done and what should have been done," he said. "This was not something that had to happen."

Appointed by the Bush administration, Kean, a former Republican governor of New Jersey, is now pointing fingers inside the administration and laying blame.

"There are people that, if I was doing the job, would certainly not be in the position they were in at that time because they failed. They simply failed," Kean said.

To find out who failed and why, the commission has navigated a political landmine, threatening a subpoena to gain access to the president's top-secret daily briefs. Those documents may shed light on one of the most controversial assertions of the Bush administration ? that there was never any thought given to the idea that terrorists might fly an airplane into a building.

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile," said national security adviser Condoleeza Rice on May 16, 2002.

"How is it possible we have a national security advisor coming out and saying we had no idea they could use planes as weapons when we had FBI records from 1991 stating that this is a possibility," said Kristen Breitweiser, one of four New Jersey widows who lobbied Congress and the president to appoint the commission.

The widows want to know why various government agencies didn't connect the dots before Sept. 11, such as warnings from FBI offices in Minnesota and Arizona about suspicious student pilots.

"If you were to tell me that two years after the murder of my husband that we wouldn't have one question answered, I wouldn't believe it," Breitweiser said.

Kean admits the commission also has more questions than answers.

Asked whether we should at least know if people sitting in the decision-making spots on that critical day are still in those positions, Kean said, "Yes, the answer is yes. And we will."

Kean promises major revelations in public testimony beginning next month from top officials in the FBI, CIA, Defense Department, National Security Agency and, maybe, President Bush and former President Clinton.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2186906 - 12/18/03 03:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Funny, the idea of planes as weapons occured to me....
This is gonna be a freakin shitstorm.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2187002 - 12/18/03 04:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

It seems very stange to me that Bush would appoint this guy who obviously is not under Bushes control if he is saying this stuff. I mean all the lefties here KNOW that Bush is involved in a HUGE CONSPIRACY and could not affort to allow an uncontrolled man run an investigation into 9/11. Wow, Bush realy is stupid. He is involved in the biggest conspiricy of all and he forgot to brainwash or buy the guy he appointed to investigate.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2187319 - 12/18/03 09:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh No, not again......


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2187522 - 12/18/03 11:50 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

TOTALLY>>>

9/11 was just a way for the "SHOPPE" to hijact the world.

Bush senior was the Director of the CIA>

Bush Junior takes orders from the SHOPPE>

Plain and simple.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: medicinebag]
    #2187559 - 12/18/03 12:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

damn...I just ran out of reynolds wrap.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2187683 - 12/18/03 01:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

AAWWWWWE SHIT!

Just for those who aren't up on the Bush knew conspiracy, click these links to read all about it.....

-Prior Knowledge Archive

-Bush's movements and actions on 9-11






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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2187862 - 12/18/03 02:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

This just in:

"World War II was Preventable"

Of course 9/11 could have been prevented. Clinton could have taken advantage of the opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden.

The phrase means nothing. World War II could have been prevented as well, by assassinating Hitler before the invasion of Poland.

Hindsight is 20/20.

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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Phred]
    #2187878 - 12/18/03 02:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is it hindsight that all the pieces were in place for decades as to intercepting commercial planes that fly outside of their flight path and do not respond to communications? And that there was no excuse why fighter jets were not scrambled when they had plenty of time and had been trained to do so?

Notice: AT NO TIME did I mention the words "Bush" or "conspiracy" so don't use them in a reply.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Swami]
    #2187996 - 12/18/03 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Swami writes:

Is it hindsite that all the pieces were in place for decades as to intercepting commercial planes that fly outside of their flight path and do not respond to communications?

You are of course aware that prior to 9/11, military planes were scrambled to intercept such stray planes in only roughly 25% of the cases. Yes, I know.... everyone always brings up Payne Webber's (or whatever the name of that golfer is) plane being intercepted when it went astray. No one ever brings up the over three hundred such incidents in the preceding year where fighters weren't scrambled.

And that there was no excuse why fighter jets were not scrambled when they had plenty of time and had been trained to do so?

No excuse other than precedent. The fact is that prior to 9/11, sometimes planes were scrambled to deal with a stray plane, more often they weren't.

What was Clinton's excuse for not capturing bin Laden? Does his failure to do so (even after he had been declared a public enemy for involvement in prior terrorist attacks) mean Clinton was responsible for 9/11?

What about the warnings from various sources about the possibility of commercial airlines being hijacked and used as missiles? Does the fact that the FAA didn't ground all commercial airlines mean the FAA was responsible for 9/11? What was their excuse for not grounding flights?

What about the analysts who failed to distinguish between the hints and unconfirmed reports of various things which eventually led to 9/11 and the literally tens of thousands of other hints and unconfirmed reports of various other things which eventually led to nothing at all? Are the analysts responsible for 9/11? What was their excuse for not acting on all the tens of thousands of hints, just in case?

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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Swami]
    #2187998 - 12/18/03 04:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Swami writes:

Is it hindsite that all the pieces were in place for decades as to intercepting commercial planes that fly outside of their flight path and do not respond to communications?

You are of course aware that prior to 9/11, military planes were scrambled to intercept such stray planes in only roughly 25% of the cases. Yes, I know.... everyone always brings up Payne Webber's (or whatever the name of that golfer is) plane being intercepted when it went astray. No one ever brings up the over three hundred such incidents in the preceding year where fighters weren't scrambled.

And that there was no excuse why fighter jets were not scrambled when they had plenty of time and had been trained to do so?

No excuse other than precedent. The fact is that prior to 9/11, sometimes planes were scrambled to deal with a stray plane, more often they weren't.

What was Clinton's excuse for not capturing bin Laden? Does his failure to do so (even after he had been declared a public enemy for involvement in prior terrorist attacks) mean Clinton was responsible for 9/11?

What about the warnings from various sources about the possibility of commercial airlines being hijacked and used as missiles? Does the fact that the FAA didn't ground all commercial airlines mean the FAA was responsible for 9/11? What was their excuse for not grounding flights?

What about the analysts who failed to distinguish between the hints and unconfirmed reports of various things which eventually led to 9/11 and the literally tens of thousands of other hints and unconfirmed reports of various other things which eventually led to nothing at all? Are the analysts responsible for 9/11? What was their excuse for not acting on all the tens of thousands of hints, just in case?

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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Phred]
    #2188015 - 12/18/03 04:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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What was Clinton's excuse for not capturing bin Laden?


last time I checked the current administration hasn't had any luck catching Osama Bin Laden, despite having an almost incestuous relationship with the Bin Laden family...


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Phred]
    #2188027 - 12/18/03 04:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No excuse other than precedent.
So we need a 911-type incident to prevent a 911-type incident?

The fact is that prior to 9/11, sometimes planes were scrambled to deal with a stray plane, more often they weren't.
So it WAS preventable, but those in charge were incompetent or lackadaisical.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2188056 - 12/18/03 04:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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SquattingMarmot said:
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CBSNews

9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable

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Knowing when it happened, the names of the attackers, the flight numbers and the planes that were used in the attack, and with the aid of a time machine,I could have prevented it too. However, that information was notavailable. The "failure rate" of intelligence services is hard to detect. One might say "How could they let 9/11 happen!?", but without the information that, and I'm just making this up to illustrate a point, that the CIA had stopped other horrific attacks on the AMerican public ad kept it quite to keep suorces protected, it's impossible to judge how many attacks were thwarted


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Swami]
    #2188091 - 12/18/03 04:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

US warned of plot to hijack planes, attack buildings in 1995(CNN)

US planned Afganistan attack before 9-11(MSNBC)

Government officials warned to cancel flights on September 10th(Newsweek)

"Could the bombers have been stopped? NEWSWEEK has learned that while U.S. intelligence received no specific warning, the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip. Why that same information was not available to the 266 people who died aboard the four hijacked commercial aircraft may become a hot topic on the Hill."



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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Phred]
    #2188166 - 12/18/03 05:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This just in:

"World War II was Preventable"




That bastard Bush should invent time travel and go back and stop it.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Swami]
    #2188171 - 12/18/03 05:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Notice: AT NO TIME did I mention the words "Bush" or "conspiracy" so don't use them in a reply. 



Yes you did. In the very sentence I pasted.
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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Swami]
    #2188204 - 12/18/03 05:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Swami said:
No excuse other than precedent.
So we need a 911-type incident to prevent a 911-type incident?





You know those stupid warning on items. For example on a superman costume it says "Warning suit does not give you the ability to fly" or on candles, "Do not stick into body orifices"

Those warnings were not there originally. Some dumbass killed themself trying to fly or by misusing candles, the company was sued and THEN the warning was put on. It sucks but thats the way the world works.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: Learyfan]
    #2188210 - 12/18/03 05:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I just find it incredible that the hijackers managed to attack us not once, not twice, but three times that day. Get us with one plane, you must be very lucky. With two, you must be really good. But three(one of which went into the PENTAGON, for God's sakes!), and you know someone in our government fucked up REALLY bad.


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Re: 9/11 Chair: Attack Was Preventable [Re: silversoul7]
    #2188216 - 12/18/03 05:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I dont see how 3 would be any harder than 1 if they all occur at the same time as they did. The only thing i see as pathetic is that a few guys with box cutters took over a plane of 250 people.


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