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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said:
Cosmopolite said:
Sure why not?


How can a mind observe while it creates what is being observed?


That's simply self awareness. I wouldn't call it a soul. Perhaps the human brain is a little more complex than you previously thought, and that's okay. But we don't need to make stuff up to fill in the blanks of what we don't know.

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Into The Woods]
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Into The Woods said:
Shiithead said:
Cosmopolite said:
Sure why not?


How can a mind observe while it creates what is being observed?


That's simply self awareness. I wouldn't call it a soul. Perhaps the human brain is a little more complex than you previously thought, and that's okay. But we don't need to make stuff up to fill in the blanks of what we don't know.


No, we don't.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: glimpee]
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I'll tell you how its explained to me.

Your soul is the being you are. Its nonphysical and resides in the realm of dreams. There it has a spirit body.

Your earthly body, including your brain, is a space suit. Your brain is a backup copy of the knowledge the spirit body is accumulating.

You don't need the brain.

My favorite thought experiment is the Major Kong situation:





In that situation, your entirely earthly body would instantly vaporize.

The glove (body) would be instantly ripped completely off the hand (part of your spirit body that docks with your earthly body)

Your spirit is not trapped in the body, it wears the body like a glove on an appendage. Your spirit body is MUCH BIGGER than your eartly body.

NO MATTER WHAT, YOUR SPIRIT WILL SEPARATE FROM YOUR BODY.

Dont worry about that, death is a failsafe mechanism.


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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
I'll tell you how its explained to me.

Your soul is the being you are. Its nonphysical and resides in the realm of dreams. There it has a spirit body.

Your earthly body, including your brain, is a space suit. Your brain is a backup copy of the knowledge the spirit body is accumulating.

You don't need the brain.

My favorite thought experiment is the Major Kong situation:





In that situation, your entirely earthly body would instantly vaporize.

The glove (body) would be instantly ripped completely off the hand (part of your spirit body that docks with your earthly body)

Your spirit is not trapped in the body, it wears the body like a glove on an appendage. Your spirit body is MUCH BIGGER than your eartly body.

NO MATTER WHAT, YOUR SPIRIT WILL SEPARATE FROM YOUR BODY.

Dont worry about that, death is a failsafe mechanism.



I'm glad to hear that this is agreed upon

Although I have to air on the side of caution - I'm still gonna ask not to get shot in the head if I have "any last words"

In case there's anything that the DMT (or whatever is released) does for the soul and experience. If you create a 4th dimensional universe in your mind (my theory) then you would want the brain to taper out rather than get blown up.

Dunno though

But also, if it's like a spacesuit - we die without out spacesuits on (in space

If it's like a glove, what if destroying the glove punctures through into the soul? Who's to say the soul can't be damaged? That the souls immortal?


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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.




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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: glimpee]
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glimpee said:
Actually your brain remains active for 5 minutes after death


I believe the Pineal gland stays active for up to three days.

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
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Arctic W. Fox said:
glimpee said:
Actually your brain remains active for 5 minutes after death


I believe the Pineal gland stays active for up to three days.


Not to discredit but any reference? Id like to look into that a bit more


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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.




Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: glimpee]
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glimpee said:
Not to discredit but any reference? Id like to look into that a bit more


Just something I picked up on reading through different religious mumbo jumbo. And also reading about how people are labeled as being dead for so long, then waking up in a morgue or at a viewing. Makes me think something else in the brain is still operating on backup generators. :smile:

You could Google "spirit leaves after three days".

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Cosmopolite]
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Cosmopolite said:
If you're such a credible source of information why don't you tell me your first hand experience with the soul? Oh wait you probably have none, except your delusional thought processes and possible hallucinations. I'm surprised you are so cynical seeing as that you're such a loose head. I could say there is a teapot orbiting the sun but when making claims like that, or any claim at all, the burden of proof lies upon the person making the claim, not people who question it.

My friend was dead for like 12 minutes before the ambulance got there and resuscitated him. Do i care if you believe me or not? No, but i thought you outta know.


The problem here is that you're making too much sense for this section of the forum.  This is the place for people who believe whatever makes them feel good.  When you talk about "burden of proof," you might as well be speaking chinese.


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"I would like to thank god for making me an atheist" - Ricky Gervais

Edited by clam_dude (05/12/15 05:36 PM)

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: clam_dude]
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"if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body?"

This to me sounds like the old joke - "have you told your parents you're gay?"

The question itself presumes something to be true which is not necessarily so.


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"I would like to thank god for making me an atheist" - Ricky Gervais

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: clam_dude]
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What about your friends??

Do they know your gay?

And by the way...

If you are here and queer...

Will you tickle my pickle for a nickle?


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said:
"Will you tickle my pickle for a nickle?"
My Testimony of Jesus Christ


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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
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Arctic W. Fox said:
Shiithead said:
"Will you tickle my pickle for a nickle?"
My Testimony of Jesus Christ



Typical thoughts from religious people......no big deal.


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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said:
What about your friends??

Do they know your gay?

And by the way...

If you are here and queer...

Will you tickle my pickle for a nickle?


Let's try something here.  Since you and the op both seem to agree on the existence of a "soul", you must both have relatively similar definitions of what it is. 

Why don't you both pm me your definitions (for the sake of being blind to each other's), and then I'll post them to the thread.  I just want to see if people who use the word "soul" agree with each other as much as they think they do.

I mean, I don't recall ever hearing a coherent definition of what a soul is in the first place, so maybe I'll be enlightened.  But don't tell me what a soul isn't (eg: "A soul is something immaterial," or something "you can't see or touch".)  Tell me what a soul is.


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"I would like to thank god for making me an atheist" - Ricky Gervais

Edited by clam_dude (05/12/15 06:19 PM)

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: clam_dude]
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And yeah, I will tickle your pickle for a nickel :smile:

Not sure what Jesus would say though.


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"I would like to thank god for making me an atheist" - Ricky Gervais

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: clam_dude]
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Has anybody ever heard Jesus say anything out loud? Like yall have covo's an shit?


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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
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I had a roommate one time that said Jesus told him to sleep in his car in the drive way because he was 2 months late on paying his rent, and he stayed in his car for a couple hrs one night. Lol


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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
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T-Funkadelic said:
Has anybody ever heard Jesus say anything out loud? Like yall have covo's an shit?


I vaped around 100 mg of N,N-DMT and was told to deny Christ to go on the best trip of my life.

I didn't deny Christ and never even had visuals. It was like His Name cut out the signal.


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said:
I didn't deny Christ and never even had visuals. It was like His Name cut out the signal.



Did he at least give you a nickle's worth of pickle tickles?

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: glimpee]
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glimpee said:
Theres speculation that the pineal gland and a release of DMT in the brain cause the soul to disconnect from the body and enter the universal conscious or what have you

But if your brain gets destroyed before this can happen - does your spirit die?


"Soul" is an archaic word for mind. It is from the Latin 'anima/animus,' 'psyche' in Greek. Soul means mind (different than spirit) and it is not substantial, not a substance. Mind doesn't fill the skull like a gas or a liquid, it has no extension in space or time, it is immaterial. Therefore, it cannot "disconnect from the body." In fact, from a biblical point of view, the soul is psychosomatic - mind AND body together. The body without the mind is a corpse. The mind without a body remains a mystery. There is no legitimate answer to your question, but you may choose to 'believe' whatever doctrine tickles your mind. Regardless, explanations are all fabrications.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: if you get shot in the head - does your spirit still release from your body? [Re: clam_dude]
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clam_dude said:
Cosmopolite said:
If you're such a credible source of information why don't you tell me your first hand experience with the soul? Oh wait you probably have none, except your delusional thought processes and possible hallucinations. I'm surprised you are so cynical seeing as that you're such a loose head. I could say there is a teapot orbiting the sun but when making claims like that, or any claim at all, the burden of proof lies upon the person making the claim, not people who question it.

My friend was dead for like 12 minutes before the ambulance got there and resuscitated him. Do i care if you believe me or not? No, but i thought you outta know.


The problem here is that you're making too much sense for this section of the forum.  This is the place for people who believe whatever makes them feel good.  When you talk about "burden of proof," you might as well be speaking chinese.


It might not be so bad to approach spiritual possibilities with an er of logic and rationality. However, it is impossible to prove to anyone that supernatural stuff exists - they just explore and experience the stuff for themselves

I don't know if I believe in the idea of a soul, or spirituality in general, but I know SOMETHING is going on - I have a little bit of evidence to suggest that there might be more outside of the self.

That said - I don't ever take anyone elses words as right or wrong - I take other peoples words as proof of their experience, or something similar

But I think a lot of this has more to do with "Feeling Good" and I've tried extremely hard to make sure that is not why I'm doing this. That said - I think the most likely after-death experience is whatever each individual believes they will experience. And I mean believe as in subconsciously. This might be true if DMT actually is released within the body upon death

I'll PM you my idea of "soul"


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Just because I am arrogant does not mean I forget my place. It is how I choose to talk. I am not a monk. I am my own path, and I am without influence. Talk to me about my core being before you question my mental stability or life-choices. Chances are, they're only shocking to you because they don't fit your idea of what is.




Check out my Art Journal for some stuff I do http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21647069

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