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Humans evolved with mushrooms
    #2164104 - 12/06/03 01:44 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

I had a discussion with a friend the other day. He was saying that he belives that early man evolved from neanderthals with the help of mushrooms. He stated that our brains tripled in size in a relatively short amount of time 100,000 years. Living in the grass lands of Africa with all sorts of grazzing animals, all that wonderful poop around. No wonder that the masi became such good friends with their cows. They probably started out eating the mushrooms that grew from there dung. Tripped out started having new thoughts and ways of thinking. Started to learn a lot. Became spiritual, knowledgable, and grew with there animals. Now they use the dung for fire the milk/blood for food and hides for shelter. Its a pretty interesting Idea.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: ]
    #2164119 - 12/06/03 01:52 PM (13 years, 3 days ago)

To me it's, Spirituality was evolved into humans by ingestions of dmt containing chemicals like mushrooms. I think a possibility of the neanderthals is that the other neanderthal like human ended up on an aggressive path and killed all the neanderthals. I bet the neanderthals had plenty of great wisdom and ideology to share.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Droz]
    #2164151 - 12/06/03 02:06 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

eh...i think the evolution of man is more complex than eating some mushrooms, though, i'm sure that altering conciousness had some part in it...and it continues to be a part in our evolution to this day.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Viaggio]
    #2164164 - 12/06/03 02:13 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I dont know the facts or any thing but how could our brain tripple its size in a 100,00 years? It just seems right to me that they expaned there contiousness and thinking with the help of the little gifts


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: ]
    #2164175 - 12/06/03 02:19 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

You should read Food of the Gods by Mckenna.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Viaggio]
    #2164207 - 12/06/03 02:35 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

i'm sure ...
Do you have an advanced degree in any discipline? I would be interested in seeing your doctorate thesis.

that altering conciousness had some part in it...and it continues to be a part in our evolution to this day.
Altering your consciousness does not affect your genetics any more than you lifting weights will make your offspring more muscular.




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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2164474 - 12/06/03 04:54 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

:lol: perhaps i should rephrase with the word could?  evolution doesn't have to occur in the traditional sense of genetic changes...but if it makes you feel better, i'll replace the word evolution with developement. 


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: ]
    #2164511 - 12/06/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Modern humans did not evolve from neanderthals. Neanderthals were a different species who's lineage ended 30,000 years ago in europe.
I'm pretty sure Homo sapiens evolved from other hominids in africa and asia. Interestingly enough, neanderthals had very large brains (larger than moder humans) yet did not engage in art or other symbology. While hominids of the warmer climate did have varied and complex art and symbology. Perhaps sparked by the presence of psychoactive mushrooms?


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: bert]
    #2164537 - 12/06/03 05:24 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

DOes anybody believe in Adam and Eve anymore?


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: orizon]
    #2165526 - 12/07/03 01:09 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I've known a few Adams in my day but I've never met anyone named Eve

i'm not too sure what if any direct role mushrooms had in human evolution, but I do know that practically all cultures around the world have some kind of mind-altering aspect, many involving mushrooms. people knew what mushrooms could do a looonng long long time ago.. cultural heritage thrown by the wayside that we should really pick back up.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #2165670 - 12/07/03 02:45 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Doesent nesseseraly have to be mushrooms. There is plenty of psychoactive plants, roots and fungi that could have had a role in the brains evolution.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Spokesman]
    #2165685 - 12/07/03 02:54 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

Nothing that you eat is known to have ANY positive affect whatsoever on your offspring


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2165797 - 12/07/03 05:29 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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Nothing that you eat is known to have ANY positive affect whatsoever on your offspring



But that's not the point, it's about a different way of thinking, and learning from others.?


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Merkin]
    #2165905 - 12/07/03 06:59 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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But that's not the point, it's about a different way of thinking, and learning from others.?




That makes sense. If the monkeys were indeed eating mushrooms and formed new ideas from such, and then they integrated these ideas into their life, then these ideas would be passed onto others and would be passed along, monkey to monkey, generation to generation.. :grin:
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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2166101 - 12/07/03 10:40 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

I do not deny that possibility, but teaching the next generation or handing down knowledge is NOT evolution.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2166111 - 12/07/03 10:50 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I do not deny that possibility, but teaching the next generation or handing down knowledge is NOT evolution.




if teaching the next generation causes the species to CHANGE OVER TIME, I cannot fathom how this would not be considered evolution, unless you are talking about evolution in a strictly physical sense. If that is the case, you are not seeing the big picture.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2166121 - 12/07/03 10:55 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

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I do not deny that possibility, but teaching the next generation or handing down knowledge is NOT evolution.




Perhaps not. I really don't know. :grin:

But what I do wonder is this: how do instincts automatically get into animal's minds? This is what makes me think. So many generations of animals doing the same thing? I mean, hell, I should start a bass guitar family or something. hehehe
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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2166129 - 12/07/03 11:01 AM (13 years, 2 days ago)

If that is the case, you are not seeing the big picture.

I see the big picture and it is called "cultural development" as opposed to evolution. Kill off the parents and remove the records and all advances are lost. In evolution, no advances would be lost because the talents and abilities are innate.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2166290 - 12/07/03 01:10 PM (13 years, 2 days ago)

The word evolution doesn't necessarily imply genetics. It's often used in that context, but that's not a positive evolution.
Take away the modifications in genes generation after generation and the advancements are lost too. Genes are every bit as much material as books or institutions for educationary purposes.
We're born in a world with books just as much as we're born with our genes.


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Re: Humans evolved with mushrooms [Re: Swami]
    #2166430 - 12/07/03 02:19 PM (13 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

i'm sure ...
Do you have an advanced degree in any discipline? I would be interested in seeing your doctorate thesis.

that altering conciousness had some part in it...and it continues to be a part in our evolution to this day.
Altering your consciousness does not affect your genetics any more than you lifting weights will make your offspring more muscular.






Wrong.. Recent study's have concluded that your human genome itself is nothing more then a sensory organ that adapt's to what it sence's is your environment.. Your environmnt is percieved through your mind so therefore you change your perception of reality you change your DNA..
http://www.hofmann.org/papers/Human%20Genome%20-Cosmic%20Joke.html
It doesn't get into it till the middle but it's worth the read..


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