hummingbird said:

Awww Bill, you didn't get the message?  It takes three full eights to really trip on shrooms. Even if your friend has to shove them down your throat while you are puking... you won't break through with only one or two eights, you need that third one. Its a well known fact.


Seriously though, you are basically using a grow kit if you don't make your sub or cook your grains. If you have a pressure cooker and an oven, do it yourself. It would help, as others have said, to learn agar too...its not that hard.

I'm pretty sure there are no mushroom superlabs that "dealer mushrooms" come from or anything...they are homegrown to someone, somewhere, who did their homework.

Your psychedelic superiority complex might also contribute, the volume is a little loud at times.

Whatever it is... I hope you figure it out soon and grow some extra potent mushrooms, and extract some amazing D, and have some great epiphanies about life. We can always use more of those.

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Bill_Oreilly said:

^^ so I have 4 quarts of PE that are growing myc nice, fast, and healthy. If I break up the myc and spawn to bulk, then fruit and take the usual good care like I do, then I SHOULD have decent potency PE, right?

if these PE come out weak like the others...im done with cubes and MS.

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Maybe.  Maybe not.  That's why it's a crapshoot. Pay your money and take your chances.

PinPornProducer said:

What temp you fruiting at Bill?
And what type of light?

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wisp said:

Psilocybeingzz said:

I find it surprising, and doubtful, that RR would claim it's just one factor. Please find his quote on the matter ASAP. Thanks.

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RogerRabbit said:

This subject has been written on extensively. The search feature here is your friend. Potency is genetic. Build your substrates with the food fungi needs, and leave the potency to the mycelium.
RR

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RogerRabbit said:

Agreed. Like many growers, at one time I set out in the search of the perfect substrate. The tryptamine/phan threads have been around for a long time, so of course I also included a few substrate materials high in those, such as seaweed. Then, N became the all important nutrient. I tried horse manure, chicken manure, cow manure, worm castings, etc., and the results were always the same. Extremely potent mushrooms came from good isolates whether it was on plain straw, or horse manure or compost. It didn't matter if coffee was added, or worm castings, anything. At the same time, performance from multispore inoculations were all over the scale every grow.

I've honestly never found a substrate additive that increases potency. If one is out there, it's yet to be found.
RR

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RogerRabbit said:

The most important factor for potency is genetics. With multi-spore inoculation, it's a roll of the dice. BRF cakes are more nutritious than any other method, by the way. If anyone doubts that, try making a 1/2 pint horse manure cake and see what happens.

Substrates such as horse/cow manure, and coir, worm castings, straw, etc., are bulk substates, which means they need to be used in large amounts to be of much benefit. They can greatly expand the size of your crop when you spawn brf cakes or grains into ten to twenty times as much straw, but they don't impact potency. If there was a single substrate that would make your mushies more potent, don't you think the experienced growers would be pointing you to it?

We recommend horse manure because it has a good texture and can be used by itself with excellent results. The same holds true for straw. Coir and worm castings benefit from the addition of a bit of vermiculite to break them up and coffee grinds of course will help any substrate to perform better. However, they affect the size of the fruits and total yield, not potency.

If you want consistant potency, you'll want to learn strain isolation on agar so you can capture the specific genetics you want, and grow it time and time again, rather than depending on the roll of the dice with multispore inoculation.
RR

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PinPornProducer said:

Have you ate them and thought they were weak also?

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