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Administrative Disconduct.
    #2136066 - 11/25/03 10:19 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

With the sham of the past 2 weeks drama,
i feel as a community member,
misrepresented by our community administrators.
going by what Ythan said, and the actions that were taken and questioned, noted in red:

Quote:

Ythan said:
Closing OTD definitely does not respect the wishes of our members. I still haven?t seen a well thought out and articulate post explaining the reasoning behind this action. You could argue that we do not have to be concerned with the will of the OTD members, since those are the people we?re trying to get rid of anyway. I would argue against this. Even if people hate OTD and never read it, when they see the admins acting in a way which disregards the will of any large group of members, they lose confidence in our ability and desire to respect their ownership of the BB. Further, I?m not exactly sure whose interests we are trying to respect by closing the forum. I certainly didn?t see posts in any of the other forums calling for its removal or reform.




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Ythan said:
Anything which undermines this sense of ownership is destructive to the community as a whole.
This is why it?s important to act by consensus and in response to the will of the members.
Our role should be to implement policy and features which are conductive to this sense of ownership,
and avoid actions which undermine it.
Of course, our members don?t always know what?s best for the forums or even have the interests of the site in mind.
Don?t forget that often we don?t either.
This is why we must make an effort to fully explain any actions we take, solicit feedback,
discuss and reach a consensus within the community
and strive to respect the wishes of our members to the greatest extent possible.






they acted with complete & absolute disregard to consensus.
the events that unfolded, cleary demonstrates the recklessness & damage the Community Admins
have caused by thier own ill intent.
They did Not have the communities best interest at heart.
That is completely UNACCEPTABLE for people of power, who are supposed to represent the community.



Now i understand people make mistakes, shit happens,
but with every action, there is a consequence.
and that consequence, leaves myself, as well as others in a new state of distrust.
how can we trust community admins when they have proved to us how much they disregarded consensus?

i see it as having 3 options:

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option one:
the 2 community administrators (geokills and papaver)
step down as admins, noting thier failure by misrepresenting the community.
when & if that happens:

hopefully A)Ythan will apoint new admins who better represent the communities best interests, or B)we act on consensus, for 2 New Administrators who are appointed BY the community, nomination style.




or

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option two:
Keep the current Admins, noting the good they have done for the site in the past,
WITH the ADDITION of 2 NEW Administrators who are appointed BY the community,
nomination style.




or

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option three:

take no action.





lets let the Community decide by consensus, shall we?
option 1
option 2
option 3










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Re: Administrative Disconduct. [Re: 40oz]
    #2136077 - 11/25/03 10:23 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Option 4, do away with the facade and let 3d run the site as he sees fit


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Re: Administrative Disconduct. [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #2136130 - 11/25/03 10:42 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

an explination, and 1 additional person.


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Re: Administrative Disconduct. [Re: 40oz]
    #2136198 - 11/25/03 11:03 PM (13 years, 11 days ago)

Arguments based solely on principle ignore the cold, harsh nature of the real world.


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Re: Administrative Disconduct. [Re: 40oz]
    #2136319 - 11/26/03 12:10 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

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Re: Administrative Disconduct. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #2136320 - 11/26/03 12:11 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

I only have a minute right now so I can't post a long drawn-out message like my last one, but in light of the fact that my words are being used to call for the removal of two extremely dedicated admins, I felt I should at least weight in with a quote from one of my other posts:

I would definitely have gone about things differently, and I think people have a right to be upset. With that said, how about some respect for the people who are working to improve things around here? I may not have approved of the way that OTD was handled, but I feel like totally delegitimizing the efforts of these past few days has been a huge mistake. Pap and Geo are smart, hard-working, dedicated admins. They obviously have the best interests of the page in mind. I feel like they made an honest error in judgement, and that's all. I could have made the same mistake if I didn't already have years of experience managing bulletin boards, from the Shroomery and my web page before it. Throwing out the work they've put into this, especially when it's days away from being concluded, is a slap in the face. It's disrespectful. It's arrogant. It's an affront to the countless hours they've spent trying to make this site a better place. It's not something I condone or support.

So come on, give the guys a break. Is there anyone in these forums who has never made a mistake while trying to do the right thing? If there is, send me an e-mail. You can have my admin position. :smirk:

Peace,

-Y 


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Re: Administrative Disconduct. [Re: ]
    #2136385 - 11/26/03 12:36 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

True that. Karma may have spoken but forgiveness = k3y.

Thank you Geo and Papaver, I'm proud to have you around as admins, thank you 3D and Ythan as well. The Shroomery rox!!!


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Come and listen to my story about a boy named 40... [Re: 40oz]
    #2136492 - 11/26/03 01:23 AM (13 years, 11 days ago)

:smirk:3

(YAP) Yet Another Poll 2.0!
I want to share 40's m0m with geo and papaver. She's talented!:cool:
I am Sir-Tokes_A_Lot! :laugh:



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Re: Come and listen to my story about a boy named 40... [Re: Papaver]
    #2136534 - 11/26/03 01:43 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Not a very positive post, do I detect some bitterness


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Re: Administrative Disconduct. [Re: ]
    #2136660 - 11/26/03 03:17 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

sorry Ythan,
its just the fact that a few people have been banned
who otherwise would not have,
if this experiment never took place at all.
if im misspoken, i do apologize.


Quote:

how about some respect for the people who are working to improve things around here?




you mean to this guy right here?:

Quote:

Papaver said:

:smirk:3
*I want to share 40's m0m with geo and papaver. She's talented! :cool:
*I am Sir-Tokes_A_Lot! :laugh:

*This has been a Smirk Cubed Production. Animals trained by Frank Inn. Y'all come back now, Ya here?
 




:lol: :smirk: 


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Re: Administrative Disconduct. [Re: ]
    #2136688 - 11/26/03 03:39 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

I know I am wasting my breath but did you know that life is outside?

Just wondering. That's all.




havent you noticed my absence of posting?
sure you have, otherwise you wouldnt of had to try so hard
fishing and asskissing for my opinion in this thread.
if anything, i havent seen you post this much since your modding days.
so plz, spare me the 'life outside' bit, unless yer willing to take your own advice k?

thxbye.



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Re: Come and listen to my story about a boy named 40... [Re: Papaver]
    #2136689 - 11/26/03 03:40 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

with all due respect papaver,
i could flame you and make you look like an ass,
but you've accomplished this all on your own the past 2 weeks.
so i'd quit while i was ahead.


speaking of, ill take heed of my own advice, so









peace out mang.



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Re: Come and listen to my story about a boy named 40... [Re: 40oz]
    #2136790 - 11/26/03 05:29 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Grow up.


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Re: Come and listen to my story about a boy named 40... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2136802 - 11/26/03 05:42 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Awe, he's just young and likes to get all riled up and excited about things... :smirk:

/me ducks from 40's razor sharp wit and retort... :wink:


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Re: Come and listen to my story about a boy named 40... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2136825 - 11/26/03 06:16 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Grow up.






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Re: Come and listen to my story about a boy named 40... [Re: Papaver]
    #2136826 - 11/26/03 06:16 AM (13 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

Papaver said:
Awe, he's just young and likes to get all riled up and excited about things... :smirk:

/me ducks from 40's razor sharp wit and retort... :wink: 





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