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YOu Mother F*#&$r's
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I rarely complain about anything but a line has been crossed. Why are people so set on changing OTD? The whole point of the forum is no-holds-bars discussion. If you are going to "cHange OTD" why even have THe Pub? They are basically the same forum, except for a few rules. If server space is what you are worried about, just delete old posts. There isnt any reason to keep all those old threads. As far as i have seen any OTD drama stays there. Im sure you get complaints and that is annoying, but why piss off a large portion of the community to shutup a few loud mouth mods? If you actually look at posts, you would see at least one of the complaining mods goes into OTD and stirs up trouble everytime. I know it is also argued that what goes on in OTD goes against the "values" of the community. Who is to say what those values are? People who consume psychedelics don't argue? or look at porn? or try to gross each other out to get a laugh? OTD is a forum that doesn't tolerate stupidity, say something dumb and you might get ripped on, big deal! Change the name of OTD, change the forum desciption but don't try to enforce nonsense rules.

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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For me personaly, i feel to many use the board as a chat room, we
do have a chat room you know ?


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Paid]
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Paid said:
For me personaly, i feel to many use the board as a chat room, we
do have a chat room you know ?


Chat room... you mean OTD?

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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You already know how I feel about it. :smirk: 


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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I agree

Paid - you do understand that IRC opens a port to your PC don't you?


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: sucklesworth]
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> you do understand that IRC opens a port to your PC don't you?

And your computer opens a port to the forum when you post... your point?


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Paid]
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Paid said:
For me personaly, i feel to many use the board as a chat room, we
do have a chat room you know ?


i dont like chatting...im sure plenty of other OTD peeps dont either... i like otd cuz i can pop back and forth between my school work and the forums....OTD entertains me, Im always on my PC for school or just cuz i hate TV.. plus there are a lot of cool peeps.. if there is gonna be a crackdown warn the users whose only purpose if is flaming and negativity. we all know who they are.

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Seuss]
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my point is that some of us are unable to use IRC due to security reasons

I've been hacked from there once already - it won't happen again

and as far as your opion on OTD - it really does not matter since you don't use that forum anyway now does it


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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> Why are people so set on changing OTD?
We are not changing anything yet. We are planning on conducting an experiment. This experiment will involve OTD but at this point in time there are no conclusive plans to get rid of or even modify OTD.

> If you are going to "cHange OTD" why even have THe Pub?
This will be one matter of evaluation that the project will cover.

> People who consume psychedelics don't argue? or look at porn? or try
> to gross each other out to get a laugh? OTD is a forum that doesn't
> tolerate stupidity, say something dumb and you might get ripped on,
> big deal!
We will always have OTD here at The Shroomery. Even if we were to abolish "OTD" (which is not what we are aiming for), people would still be free shoot the shit in our other off-topic forum, The Pub. The pub doesn't have any rules against arguing per se, you can post porn if you like (just make sure you make it clear you are doing so in the thread title), and you can certainly try to get each other to laugh. Stupidity is not tolerated in any place on this site to my knowledge as people are getting ripped on for making inaccurate statements in all of our forums. However, it is the matter in which they are ripped on that we are concerned. OTD may have accepted extreme verbal abuse, but that lacks tact. So rip on whomever you please, but do so legitimately and responsibly.. not simply to exhibit how shocking one can be.

Regardless of public opinion at this point, there has been enough support (majority) amongst the staff and a good deal of support from regular members as well to begin the proposed experiment. We are still finalizing the process and you can expect it to be implemented no later than Monday, November 17. Remember, this is just the internet and we are only trying new possibilities to gauge whether or not we can improve the community at large. That is really all there is to say at this point and I hope I can count on the users here to trust the administration and their efforts.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: sucklesworth]
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> and as far as your opion on OTD - it really does not matter since you don't use that forum anyway now does it

I am tired of hearing that fallacy...

Example: I don't drink alcohol, therefore I should not be concerned about laws related to the consumption of alcohol because I don't drink?

Everything related to the shroomery, regardless of my participation, effects every other aspect of the shroomery. Lets pretend that OTD went away, all the sponsors got upset and went away, the shroomery couldn't pay it's bandwidth bill, and the forums go away, which effects me. Therefore, yes, what I think about OTD does matter, regardless of my participation. The world is bigger than the little corner you play in... open your eyes.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: geokills]
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just remember the old saying:

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: geokills]
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Geo,

Thanks for taking the time to reply and give us lowlies a better idea of what really is going on here.

I speak for myself here, but will assume many OTD'ers feel the same.

I appreciate all the hard work that you guys put into this place. I appreciate each and every one of the mods and admins who put their heart and souls into this community and want to make the community "a better place as a whole".

I challenge each mod who thinks OTD needs stricter rules, to think about the forum that means the most to them, and apply new rules to your own special places here.

OTD is a place for free thinkers - at least give us a chance to have our voices heard, thats what has always made this place the most special place on the net.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: sucklesworth]
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:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Seuss]
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So you think it is better to enable young people with the knowledge to grow illicit substances than to give those same youngsters a place where they can actually be themselves?

Nothing that goes on in OTD is nearly as dangerous as this free for all on how to grow illegal shit.

Tell the next kid that goes to jail for 20 because of the advice YOU gave him - thank God there was no OTD, you really would have been up shits creek then.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: sucklesworth]
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You twist stuff worse than the Bush administration. How does me saying that everything that happens here effects everything else that happens here go to me wanting to get rid of OTD and toss kids in jail? Read what Geokills said, 'cause that is all that really matters, no?


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Seuss]
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its all part of the bigger picture you wanted to see so badly

each nook and cranny counts - not just the crumbs you cherish the most


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Bruiser]
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Bruiser said:
You already know how I feel about it. :smirk: 


So, why don't you storm off like a little girl like you did the last time?

Flag change your perspective?


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The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Doobs, this is WA&F - if you got beef with Bruiser and his actions of late, talk to him in private. We will not tolerate personal attacks in this forum. Bruiser is clearly not in agreement with our proposed plan, but he understands that he can do more as a representative of OTD in the staff, than someone unable to participate in staff discussion.

We are listening and we will take all user opinions into account - Rono is a wise mofo. He said, "There has been alot of discussion about OTD, and it is ongoing...to say any more would be premature..."


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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I just want the users of the forum to have a voice
I feel that if changes were planned in other forumsthe posters in that forum would be given a voice and a chance to speak
and it would matter what the people who actually used the forum thought NOT what other people who NEVER even visited the forum thought


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"what is a weed, a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered"--Ralph Waldo Emerson

"I'm sippin Hennessy, riding on my muthafucking enemies" -Meek Mill.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: joe666]
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^^^^^^
Agreed.. But I understand we all really don't have a choice , we don't own this place. It would be nice to know the changes(if theres a thread I missed can you point me to it?) that will be made. I got to the OTD to relax and have fun...I mostly post from work and I work a lot of hours(I own and operate 2 companies) This place lets me shed some of the stress of the day with some smiles, wit, laughs, and verbal sparring..You really got a great bunch in there,smart, funny etc...Its just a place to relax.

I know I haven't been here nearly as long as most of you so my opinion is limited. I love cutting loose in the OTD, as I am doing with this whole OTD reform thing...

just someone who cares

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: goobler]
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You know, i remember days when the shroomery used a "democracy" to decide what should and shouldnt happen, who should and shouldnt moderate... an ya know what? It SUCKED! sure, we got some good things done too, but the fact was that the majority of users didnt care WHY something happened, as long as the person they voted for was doing it (hmmm.... reminds me of the US sometimes). I dont want OTD to "dissapear" either, but I cant ignore the fact that things can and do get bad in there... and as much as people say they are joking about stuff... that doesnt make it funny for all of us, and it doesnt meen that it belongs here at the shroomery.

Just food for thought


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Suffer]
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Wisdom makes another appearance
We are lucky to have as excellent a staff as we do here.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: geokills]
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Quote:
but I cant ignore the fact that things can and do get bad in there... and as much as people say they are joking about stuff... that doesnt make it funny for all of us, and it doesnt meen that it belongs here at the shroomery.




umm as far as i know no one has died in otd... havent a few peeps died (as in no longer exist in REAL LIFE) in chat?? shit get craZy there too...why not go clean that up as well? chat almost got this site into fuckload of trouble with the ripper shit....and then what about odd talking about dangerous pills and such...

otd is the shroomery's whipping boy

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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i love OTD

its what we make it so it can suck or it can be great


i really see no reason to change it in any way, but if you do change it and it sucks, you can always change it back right?

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: moosehead]
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KOTT: dude, no offence cause im chill with you, but how bout you show up in chat before you give us shit about that. FUCK!

Yes, 2 friends of mine died while in chat, and it really SUCKS. I wish i could have been there, or done something about it. But, im there now, and i really really wish i could make up for the time i wasnt there, when I could have done something to save my friends, but i cant. Even if i had been there, could I have done anything about it? who knows. Some days I still cry for Brandon (aka Ripper)... and if you think im a pussy for that, the FUCK YOU. He was a friend of mine, and i really do miss him.

as far as the boards are concerned... how bout loOner and Freak? just to name a few. I dont wana drudge up shit right now about that, theres enough going on im sure... but does anyone even know if they are ok or still alive? I have a hard time believing, as sad as it may seem, that we havnt lost more people from the BBs then we know about. I really hope that isnt the case, but I sadly think it is.

moosehead: yes, any changes could be reversed... but we cant bring someone back whos dead (yes KOTT... IRL)


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Suffer]
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Suffer said:
KOTT: dude, no offence cause im chill with you, but how bout you show up in chat before you give us shit about that. FUCK!



exactly my point suffer, 90% of these otd haters dont ever post there! they pop in one day see something they dont like and cry to a mod... the people and mods that matter to otd know no change is needed.

***i was just using chat as a scapegoat i dont want to see anything changed or censored....

looner and freak are both alive

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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well Im there every day (lurking), and i moderated the FUCKER for 2 years... and I still hate it. Granted, I dont want it all to go away, but there is A LOT this community could do without... in my humble opinion


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Suffer]
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Suffer said:
but there is A LOT this community could do without... in my humble opinion


that could be said about odd and chat as well...not to offend anyone, but if u dont like otd dont go there... if u want to shoot the shit in peace The Pub is your place

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Suffer]
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Suffer said:
I have a hard time believing, as sad as it may seem, that we havnt lost more people from the BBs then we know about. I really hope that isnt the case, but I sadly think it is.


I would have to agree, there are thousands of members who have come and gone for one reason or another on the BB, not so many in chat.  This is why we know more about the people who have died in chat better than on the bulletin boards... the sheer volume of people on the BB makes it more difficult to keep up with everyone. 

People in chat also seem to develop tighter bonds with other people and truly get to know them... You can learn so much more about someone while talking to them in real time as opposed to a few posts a day..

-- And as for those who say that chat is a security risk, well then they don't know much about computers and shouldn't be using one in the first place :smile:

My $0.02


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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KOTT, I love ya bro but if you don't realize why these changes must be made, you need to re-think some things.

I came to this forum and posted in Cultivation for a while, trying to learn and soak up as much info as possible. Then of course I found OTD and basically I loved it, it  truly is a one of a kind place. I posted there for quite a while and frankly I didnt know what a message board was all about, I'm sure I made quite a fool out of myself.

The forum is great, and I am all about "freedom". The problem comes in when you cant even post a topic without getting insulted and having your thread jacked, or worse yet buried by a bunch of useless crap.
Also what really gets under my skin is when a user posts a serious thread about something like the death of a close friend, and certain users make heartless comments and do nothing but disrespect them.

Thats not what this board is for, plain and simple.
OTD IS being abused and those who are abusing it dont deserve to be here.

Do you know that the people at Erowid, Lyceaum, and Spiritplants have little respect for this site because it is full of a bunch of immature disrespectul punks. Frankly, I dont want it to continue like this.
I hope you understand.  :tongue:

BTW a friend told me that a similar change is going on over at Dextroverse, they are having the same type of problem.. a bunch of retards with no courtesy or respect flooding the community forums with garbage. Their simple solution, behave or be banned. They banned a shitload of users and the board has taken on a new face. That is what I would like to see here, dont worry we arent going to take away your OTD, we are just going to tweak it a bit and get rid of the users that dont deserve to post here. 

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: 3DSHROOM]
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High diddly ho - I'm an idiot

- M. Leech; Chinese Lottery Cryptanalysis Revisited: The Internet as a Codebreaking Tool; RFC 3607; September 2003.


Summary: IRC is an insecure, public space; have fun, but be cautious.

Confidentiality. The IRC space is completely insecure with respect to confidentiality. Any user on IRC can record the conversation on a channel, and many people do. Anyone administering one of the servers on the network can record all of the conversations on that network.

The one protection you have is that your identify should be restricted to your nickname. However, your real identify could be discovered based on your IP address in the unlikely event someone went to the trouble of breaking into the IRC web server logs.

On systems like DALnet that provide you with a permanent nickname your identity is technically easier to discover, although in normal circumstances an IRC administrator will not provide this information to third parties unless under a valid court order.
Gender. IRC is a large public space, like a big city, and a woman can sometimes attract unwanted attention. Women shouldn't choose feminine nicknames unless they want to advertise their gender, and may want to choose a neutral name like "Yukon" or something similar.
Personal information. Never under any circumstance give out your address, phone number, real name, or other identifying information to anybody on the Internet, no matter who they say they are or what the reason is.
Viruses. Never run an IRC script or type a command that someone else asks you to, unless you are absolutely sure you know what it does. For example, the IRC command "/fserve 1 c:\" can give a hacker access to your hard drive. Other commands can give a hacker complete control of your IRC session with very undesirable results. This ability of IRC to run scripts has been exploited by worms to propagate across the Internet.
Resources. The following sites provide more information on IRC security:

Bugs and Backdoors in IRC clients, scripts and bots
Hacking IRC - The Definitive Guide
IRC and Internet Security
IRC Security
NoHack - Virus Free IRC


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Effed]
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your statement is full of flaws....

saying otd is full of punks and such is a complete generalization..

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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I spoke my thoughts, life is full of flaws.. you dont think your topic is flawed? I'm not going to debate this with you cause you are my friend, and that is more important than OTD will ever be.

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Effed]
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Just out of curiosity - where did you meet KOTT?

Was it OTD?????

weird


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Suffer]
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[QUICK REPLY]



in regards to OTD being used as a chat

is this because there are so many posts that wind up going through that place in any given day?...cause if it is - since when is forum popularity a bad thing?

is it because of the supposed 'quality' of the posts that go through there?...what determines quality? or better yet - who determines quality?...if, let's say, a post contains a single word (indeed, or w3rd, or what have you) does the lack of content automatically equate to the lack of importance of such content?

or is it simply because of the fact that conversations move faster there then in any other forum?...again - since when is forum popularity a bad thing? (OTD is known for having more people viewing it at any given time then most other forums, as well as having an extremely large variety of different subjects being discussed at any given point in time...a ton of people + a lot of topics to discuss = many people conversing on many different topics as fast as they can type...what else would you expect given the circumstances?)




and as far as things getting outta hand goes

again - what the fuck did you expect? look at the real world for a second and tell me what happens when you get too many animals (of any sort) crammed up within the same ecosystem - they fight...it's part of life, it's bound to happen, get over it

by regulating OTD all you're doing (in essence) is inforcing population control - you're issuing hunting liscences and regulating how much these creatures are able to fight with eachother...this is all unnescessary bullshit that's equilvilent to us humans constantly sticking our nose where it doesn't belong, and screwing up our envirnment even more in the proccess - it's best to just let nature run it's course (that is what it does best you know) and to learn to just flow with the times, and accept things for what they are (e.g. if you're not satistfied with the way OTD (or any other forum for that matter) is going, then find somewhere else to hang out for a while - cause sooner or later the winds willl change (all on their own) and things with begin reverting back to the way they once were...this is the very nature of existence people - and yes, that does apply to virtual existences (e.g. internet forums) just as much as it applies to the so called 'real' world...and if you don't believe me - ask someone who has actually been here a while and seen the ebb of the forums for themselves (or better yet - shut the fuck up an sit back for a while yourself and witness it first hand))











my point is ---> people are always so damn quick to try an make their mark, that they jump into these self-induced savior modes and start getting all gung-ho about how they're gonna make such an incredible difference that their contributions will change things for the better indefinately...but of course, they never have enough common sence to realize that nature has a way of working out these sorts of things all on it's own (it's called the path of least resistence) and as long as we let nature run it's course an quit trying to interfere with everything - everything will work out just as it's meant to, the way that that it works the best...and even though you (with all your infinate hubris) might think that you can do things better - you can't (deal with it)

the shroomery is bigger then any of us...we need to stop tryin to domesticate it and start learning how to live in symbiosis with it















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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: sucklesworth]
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The gathering forum.  :smile:

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: sucklesworth]
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You_Suck said:
Summary: IRC is an insecure, public space; have fun, but be cautious.


That was a very broad statement. The internet in generall is an insecure public space. Maybe on EFNet or some other server, but I'm talking about the Shroomery's IRC server.

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Confidentiality. The IRC space is completely insecure with respect to confidentiality. Any user on IRC can record the conversation on a channel, and many people do. (anyone can record the things said in OTD aswell) Anyone administering one of the servers on the network can record all of the conversations on that network. (No logs are kept server side of what is said in the channels.)


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The one protection you have is that your identify should be restricted to your nickname. However, your real identify could be discovered based on your IP address in the unlikely event someone went to the trouble of breaking into the IRC web server logs. (This could be done with apache web server logs for those posting in OTD aswell, but we've never had a breach of security where someone could have viewed either of those logs.)


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Viruses. Never run an IRC script or type a command that someone else asks you to, unless you are absolutely sure you know what it does.    For example, the IRC command "/fserve 1 c:\" can give a hacker access to your hard drive (Maybe on efnet where someone can get your IP.). Other commands can give a hacker complete control of your IRC session with very undesirable results. This ability of IRC to run scripts has been exploited by worms to propagate across the Internet.


Everyone should know now to run .exe's that you don't trust, so if you are going to run an IRC client you shouldn't go around using untrusted scripts on the net, just download the plain MIRC and you will be guaranteed a virus free chat.

We also offer a java based irc client which goes even further to help protect you against recieving any type of virus or any commands that could expose your harddrive to anyone.

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23760

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: sucklesworth]
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I nominate You Suck to run the OTD committee :smile:

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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KingOftheThing said:
your statement is full of flaws....

saying otd is full of punks and such is a complete generalization.. 


But aren't you a punk? :wink:

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Thor]
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Thor said:
I nominate You Suck to run the OTD committee :smile: 


I'd always welcome You_Suck back as a Mod! :laugh:

PS: Killroy was here...


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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My thoughts exactly. OTD used to just be a glorious mess, and then this year you guys developed sticks up your asses and banned all the old people who used to entertain me and made up some new rules. Now there's talk of becoming more strict? what is this, an elementary school? It's the internet for shit's sake! It ain't real? If me and Sir Tokes a Lot want to fight like infected anuses, does it really make that much difference? None of us even know each other for the most part so it's not like we really have anything hurtful to say.

You're idiots if you are taking the shit on the "miscellaneous shit" board at all seriously.

edit: I read the thread. Bruiser made it seem more serious than it is. Scratch most of what I said.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Effed]
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Effed and Suffer are my friends in real-life and that isnt going to change because of message board drama.

I was really never one for flame wars, or posting porn threads, or posting gross shit. So why would i care if otd was censored? Because I don't like being treated like a child. The people who want OTD changed are busy bodies.Funny that I have seen some of these complainers start sooo many flame wars in OTD. This whole thing is about people trying to get rid of users they don't like(with changes come bannings). As i stated before ODD and Chat are a bigger threat to the community than OTD ever will be.

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Well, I still feel otd is used as a chat room.
The same old faces making 100 posts a day with
little content. If you can't see that, I don't
know how to make you see it.

Kott, you say your against this because you don't
like being told what to do, but i say you don't like
these changes because you want to contiune to post
pointless shyte, and chat all day on a forum board,
when theres a chat room already.

You say

I was really never one for flame wars, or posting porn threads, or posting gross shit

so whats your problem? If you "don't do that" you have
NOTHING to worry about, if you do, you do.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Paid]
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who the hell are you to judge anyone's post content?

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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KOTT: Who the hell are you to judge what should and shouldnt be "proper" content here?


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: KingOftheThing]
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KingOftheThing said:
who the hell are you to judge anyone's post content?


Er, I'm me and have an opinion, sorry it seems to differ
from yours.


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Quote:
Well, I still feel otd is used as a chat room.
The same old faces making 100 posts a day with
little content. If you can't see that, I don't
know how to make you see it.


why is this an issue  :confused: 


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Paid]
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you've posting tons of meaningless shit before your "modding"
why the change now?


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Effed]
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Effed said:
KOTT, I love ya bro but if you don't realize why these changes must be made, you need to re-think some things.

I came to this forum and posted in Cultivation for a while, trying to learn and soak up as much info as possible. Then of course I found OTD and basically I loved it, it  truly is a one of a kind place. I posted there for quite a while and frankly I didnt know what a message board was all about, I'm sure I made quite a fool out of myself.

The forum is great, and I am all about "freedom". The problem comes in when you cant even post a topic without getting insulted and having your thread jacked, or worse yet buried by a bunch of useless crap.
Also what really gets under my skin is when a user posts a serious thread about something like the death of a close friend, and certain users make heartless comments and do nothing but disrespect them.

Thats not what this board is for, plain and simple.
OTD IS being abused and those who are abusing it dont deserve to be here.

Do you know that the people at Erowid, Lyceaum, and Spiritplants have little respect for this site because it is full of a bunch of immature disrespectul punks. Frankly, I dont want it to continue like this.
I hope you understand.  :tongue:

BTW a friend told me that a similar change is going on over at Dextroverse, they are having the same type of problem.. a bunch of retards with no courtesy or respect flooding the community forums with garbage. Their simple solution, behave or be banned. They banned a shitload of users and the board has taken on a new face. That is what I would like to see here, dont worry we arent going to take away your OTD, we are just going to tweak it a bit and get rid of the users that dont deserve to post here.   

  you use to be one of the biggest flamers and useless posters in OTD
you've only changed cause you were modded and now in my opinion  you think your uppity. 


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: RedNucleus]
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RedNukleus said:
edit: I read the thread. Bruiser made it seem more serious than it is. Scratch most of what I said.


What did I say to make it seem more serious than it is? What I wrote is what's going to happen.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: joe666]
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> you've posting tons of meaningless shit before your "modding"
> you use to be one of the biggest flamers and useless posters in OTD

Just a reminder... this is the feedback forum, not OTD. Please save your flames for OTD. If you have nothing constructive to offer, please do not post here.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Seuss]
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He was making a point. I can uderstand where he was coming from.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Bruiser]
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I got mixed up, it wasn't what you said, but what I inferred from it. I thought you guys were going to start trying to crack down on threads and posts which you considered meaningless or inane.

Anyway, is there really much flame warring going on? I think i'm missing it.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: RedNucleus]
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That's what's supposed to be going on. :smirk: 


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: joe666]
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Yes one of the things thats changed is i was moded, this
makes me look at things differently, and to try to see the
bigger picture, I have errored in my ways in the past, but
some times its good to move on, and attempt to change things
for the better of the whole community, I really belive that
people are getting far to defensive about all this, as I see
it, all thats being asked is for more thought before clicking
"post" a house clean so to speak, nothing new, and nothing
to get your backs up about.
I will still post dribble from time to time in otd, as will
many I'm sure, but i feel the climate there has to change
to a more possitive one.
This rainbow thing alone seems to have brought the otd community together, now if you all take a chill pill, and stop being so defensive, hopefully things will work out in the communitys
favor, including the community insdie the community that is otd :]


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Paid]
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I started the whole rainbow thing yesterday. It wasn't about everybody coming together and thinking it's cute. It was to stand up and show how lame this whole thing is. Nobody seems to have any problems with OTD right now, and it's exactly the same way it's been for a while. All this is going to accomplish, is driving up the thread counts in other forums when people have nowhere else to go.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Bruiser]
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ooooh, you trend setter you :] I commented on what
its achived, not what it was meant to achive.
Lets maybe not panic, and see what happens.
Bit of a storm in a tea cup if you ask me.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Paid]
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I hate being such a trend setter. :smirk:

It's all gonna be back to normal soon anyway........... 


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: RedNucleus]
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>It ain't real

try again, the internet is real, the people using it are real, the systems attahced to it are real, tell me what about the internet isnt "REAL"? I would say thats the biggest problem with the "punks" who have nothing better to do then put people down, waste others bandwidth, etc, are that they also think, "well its the internet, its not real, so it dosnt matter what i say or do, its just not real". Just keep telling yourself that.

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Effed]
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*Effed said: The problem comes in when you cant even post a topic without getting insulted and having your thread jacked, or worse yet buried by a bunch of useless crap.
Also what really gets under my skin is when a user posts a serious thread about something like the death of a close friend, and certain users make heartless comments and do nothing but disrespect them.

I couldn't agree more. I was all about free speech in OTD until I saw some terrible things written there. It is one thing to be honest. It is entirely another thing to pick on the vulnerable and the dead... like a flock of vultures. Sadly, everything I've ever posted in OTD has been flamed in some way. Just 'cause you can flame doesn't mean you should do it every time you get a chance. Just because you can make fun of somebody's dead father, doesn't mean you should. Just because you can make fun of Ripper's death, doesn't mean you should.

Recently, OTD has been less of a forum and more, a test of free speech. It seems many are just trying to say the most negative things they can think of... just because they can... this has nothing to do with a forum. The word Forum itself has more to do with discussion and argument than flaming. Discussion and argument are both positive things. Flaming is negative.

Let Larry Flint push the free speech envelope (He peddles more porn than OTD anyway :wink:)... let The Shroomery do what it does best. Ethogenic discussion.

I have the right to free speech every day. I am willing to give up some of my rights when I go to somebody else's house.

As much as it can feel like my home... The Shroomery belongs to someone else. The Shroomery has the right to make me follow their rules. If I don't like them, I can go somewhere else. This is The Shroomery, not the OTDery, after all.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Rose]
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I'd like some for instinces please, because I have yet to see as many bad things as you guys say there are.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: joe666]
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joe666 said:
you use to be one of the biggest flamers and useless posters in OTD
you've only changed cause you were modded and now in my opinion  you think your uppity. 


Joe, to be accurate, Effed actually changed a quite while before he was Modded (at least 6 months before). That's one of the reason's he was Modded. It goes back to his last big Flame war with Mak. That seemed to effect him, and he did some self-reflection, and he changed.

We are all constantly changing and growing. I know I look at this site, and my relationship to it, much differently than I used to. Some of this has to do with my position -- true, as an Admin I have to be concerned about the welfare of this ENTIRE site -- but some of it is also a function of growth and understanding. I have been changing and growing since I first got here, and I'll continue to do so long after I leave -- that is life. :smile:

PS: I didn't take your post as a flame at all. I understand what you meant, but I did want to set the record straight.

Also, for the record, I am not anti-OTD, but I am pro-Shroomery. I really want us to have both, but in order for this to happen, it's going to require the cooperation of all. OTD needs to change a little bit for the benefit of this community. I think we can all live with that. There will be a couple who can't, but frankly those are the people who are at the bottom of most of our problems, and they won't be missed. The rest of you are all really cool people, and I know you will be able to see the bigger issue here, and help make this a better community! :smile:


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Bruiser]
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Well, the Bruiser post was deleted. I talked to Papaver about it... perhaps he remembers. Lemme see if I can find the other thread... I'll PM it to you, I have no intention of putting this thread back in the spotlight.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Papaver]
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"White Flag"

I know you think that I shouldn't still love you,
Or tell you that.
But if I didn't say it, well I'd still have felt it
where's the sense in that?

I promise I'm not trying to make your life harder
Or return to where we were

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

I know I left too much mess and
destruction to come back again
And I caused nothing but trouble
I understand if you can't talk to me again
And if you live by the rules of "it's over"
then I'm sure that that makes sense

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

And when we meet
Which I'm sure we will
All that was there
Will be there still
I'll let it pass
And hold my tongue
And you will think
That I've moved on....

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be

Well I will go down with this ship
And I won't put my hands up and surrender
There will be no white flag above my door
I'm in love and always will be


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Rose]
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By all means. And I hope you have more than one because as bad as OTD may have been, it it no where as bad as eveyone is making it out to be.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Bruiser]
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I just have one. The other was deleted.

Because of those two threads, I think you'll understand why I've avoided the most sensitive looking topics in OTD. I haven't been here a long time. But, so far, I've seen quite a few senseless flame threads... that didn't begin that way.

Look at sykobish's recent threads.

Sure, OTD is more yin than yang. But the yang stings. Most popular threads get flames. Sometimes senseless (which are so forgivable they can go unnoticed), sometimes though, these attacks are very personal.

You can't deny this. When people show vulnerability in OTD, somebody will try to capitalize on their vulnerability.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Rose]
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You showed me nothing but a thread that was made after I logged off and deleted before I came back. That contained multipe mods in it that felt it was okay to leave.

You're also talking about threads that are made when I'm not here, which are pretty much the same times everyday. I can't be here 24 hours a day. The posts that you talk about and mention are handled when I see them. I still see no evidence to support the amount of OTD bashing that everyone is doing.

Also:
Quote:
I've avoided the most sensitive looking topics in OTD



Amen




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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Bruiser]
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I think you are missing my point B. I have no clue when you are here or aren't. I don't know you at all Bruiser... I'm a night owl. I didn't mean to imply you are a bad mod... from what I've seen, you're a straight shooter. You sounded defensive in your last post so I just wanted to claer that up.

The fact is, some people flame whenever they get the chance... just because they can. This is especially harsh to newbies who aren't expecting that from this forum.

I think the OTD should stay the same, but I think it should have a disclaimer pinned to the top stating Anything goes... and explaining the positive and negative aspects of a free speech forum.

Otherwise, the form needs stricter rules.

I also, think information about Ripper should be pinned to the top of the OTD board. His family was very respectful to The Shroomery. I wish The Shroomery would remember him publicly, and respectfully.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Bruiser]
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There is too much OTD bashing, but there are also problems with OTD that need to be corrected. I've got my foot in both camps, which means everyone's going to think I'm the enemy, because I'm not in their camp 100%. :wink:

This needs to be a respected and serious Mycology site, but we also MUST have a lively social side. The two go hand-in-hand. Everyone is getting so polarized over this issue, and making way too much of it. It is precisely all of this fighting and histrionics which are indicative of our problems as a community. What needs to happen is for ALL of us to come together, as a community, and make this web-site better! :smile:

1) If you are not an OTDer, then don't just bash OTD. Visit and contribute positively! "Create the condition you describe."

2) If you are an OTDer, then think about your posts and actions, and how they reflect on this community; how they effect this community; and how they effect others within this community. "Put your good where it will do the most."

And everyone, be a Shroomerite first, and forum regular second! :laugh:

PS: And if you will all get together and be more positive about making this site better, then I will stop making these cheesy speeches, ok? :grin:


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Papaver]
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These "experiments" you guys keep talking about..could you describe what exactly some of these ideas are? It's hard to form any sort of opinion on the issue when the details are left so vague. On top of that everyone assumes the worst and now everyones already freaking out and argueing when no on knows the whole story. So what are some of these ideas that are being considered and what is the specific purpose of the experiment?




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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Papaver]
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Papaver said:
joe666 said:
you use to be one of the biggest flamers and useless posters in OTD
you've only changed cause you were modded and now in my opinion  you think your uppity. 


Joe, to be accurate, Effed actually changed a quite while before he was Modded (at least 6 months before). That's one of the reason's he was Modded. It goes back to his last big Flame war with Mak. That seemed to effect him, and he did some self-reflection, and he changed.



Thanks for clearing that up. :wink:

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Effed]
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with a banning we all change a litle bit.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: joe666]
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I wouldnt know.

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Suffer]
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That's BS Suffer, you and Ythan left around that time. You guys dont have any ideas on how it all worked. Im not being abrasive, you took a hiatus, I appreciate that. But anyway.

I want Aphex back or Thor. That's what I want.

Fuck democracy, Ill settle for a little reality.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Suffer]
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Chat is a much bigger liability then OTD.

I was there for the first death and I knew ripper for awhile.

I think that OD should be gone. But my opinion doesnt matter, I've had to learn that. What mattered was the will of the shroomery.

Freak is still here, looner is still here. Im sure that people who have posted on our boards have died. But they didnt die while participating. These are different circumstances.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: Rose]
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Cervantes,

You have been here less then 2 months.

You couldnt have gotten flamed on that bad yet :smile:


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: RedNucleus]
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Ythan once wrote a great post along the lines of this being an elementary school.

He said it wasnt 2nd grade and he wasnt a teacher, suck it up and deal with it. OTD is a cesspool.

I have that post saved somewhere, I think. I need to find it.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: PsiloKitten]
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And finally.

Some of you are the biggest bunch of egomaniacal (insert word here)s Ive ever seen. That's not a flame, it's an opinion and judging from some posts it is entirely applicable.

I cannot believe this shit and the audacity of it.

Again, this is ridiculous. The mod forum needs to be viewable by everyone so we can all see what tangents you folks must be getting off into, when deciding about what is needed in this community that existed fine before many of you ever knew it was here.

You people have had one too many sips of power and faux aged wisdom.

I wanna conduct an experiment...

Id really like to know how many of the mods are older then my mom. Im serious. She's 43. I'd also be curious to see how old the mods are in general.

Take your asses on over to one of the old fuddy duddy boards. This is the shroomery.


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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: PsiloKitten]
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Hehe, PK, I"m sure that post is going to hit it off well with the shroomery administration. That sounds wierd even saying. Or where did this "shroomery staff" phrase even come from? It just sounds bizarre to me. I like the school analogy because right now whenever someone says "Shroomery Staff" I get this image of a whole bunch of old professors at some college trying to reign in a bunch of 20 year olds.

Anyhow I agree OTD is bad, but I don't think its half as bad as people make it out to be. You can still post in there, threads still get decent replies... Yes some people post too often, and some don't post a lot of content but OTD has always had people like that. I just don't understand all this whining and bitching about OTD ruining the site. If you want to talk about negative impacts on the site lets talk about kids teaching other kids how to maximize the effect of the time release oxy tab they just bought. Mmmm nothing like helping kids get the most out of their legal heroin.

Anyhow, as far as changing OTD People might even be open to some changes if the "staff" would let us lowely common members know what the hell these upcoming changes are. As it is now aparently the "public" isn't entitled or can't be trusted with that information.

Also shit like this really pisses me off, I don't know when the shroomery started taking itself so seriously

Quote:
This needs to be a respected and serious Mycology site, but we also MUST have a lively social side.



No offense, but why does the shroomery have to be a respected and serious mycology site. I don't think seriousness has ever played a huge roll in this place. IE look into the classic "nipple tek" - Most of the people here aren't that serious, there is lots of good information, lots of intelligent people, and always innovative things going on in cultivation forums here. Where the fuck does respect play into that? Do you want us to be a respected site so you can have bragging rights? Obviously we're "respected" enough if the shroomery is getting as many hits and has as many members as it does. And I'm glad papaver that you want us to have a "lively social side" but because of your age I think the average user of this site and YOU would probably see what that entails a little differently. This probably explains why you are so anti OTD and the average person on this site doesn't have the issues with it you do.

Anyway, maybe I'm stepping on too many toes, could be. This whole shit pisses me off though because no matter how much you want to deny it there is a definite feeling that these changes are being made by an elite few, who are not representing, or respecting the majority. To top it off there is this incredible feeling that some of the mods (not all of you! some of you rock) have this whole mightier then thou complex and feel they in their infinite wisdom know what is best. The few making decisions for the many never leads to good things.

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yeah why does this have to be such a high an mighty mycology site? the name....personally i dont hang here cuz the name and or status this site has.

its been just fine enuf to keep all of us(well some) here for a long time. what +'s would such a "change" bring?

tell me

respect from other drug sites????? who the fuck cares?








Edited by oDin (11/16/03 01:51 AM)

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Re: ? [Re: oDin]
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[re: 'the shroomery staff' ]

Quote:
Regardless of public opinion at this point, there has been enough support (majority) amongst the staff and a good deal of support from regular members as well to begin the proposed experiment. We are still finalizing the process and you can expect it to be implemented no later than Monday, November 17.



addressing that quote:
take away the 'shroomery' background, imagine that quote in a newspaper.
now doesnt that remind you of a publication
the nazi's used addressing jews to their new 'conformity'?

i hear talks of 'community' 'community' 'community'
but with fascist statements like this:
Quote:
Regardless of public opinion at this point


it appears you really dont have the community's best interest at heart.

Quote:
...and a good deal of support from regular members as well


there are by far more people opposing this 'change' (whatever change there may be, since we are as of yet, still uninformed) than there are ppl who 'support' this move. (how can they support a movement when they too are uninformed?)

...and speaking of these so-called 'majority supporters'
(regular members mind you) that you speak of...
where are they?
i didnt see a 'pro-OTD reform' thread in this forum.
the only thread in this forum that relates is against OTD reform.

what was the "cheers forum"?
it was a SECRET invite only forum.
why was the "cheers forum" shut down?
because the admins eventually felt it was a big form of elitism this site could have. what they thought was a good idea turned into a bad idea., they didnt want 'elitism' at the bb.

my point being, the 'shroomery staff', is showing the same very elitism with all this secret talk in secret forums, that the talk of 'community' is nothing more than a sham.

this forum's title is "Shroomery Feedback and Administration"

why even have a feedback forum when the 'communities' crys' fall on deaf ears?


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Regardless of public opinion at this point, there has been enough support (majority) amongst the staff and a good deal of support from regular members as well to begin the proposed experiment. We are still finalizing the process and you can expect it to be implemented no later than Monday, November 17.





Tick tock. Tick tock. Less then 12 hours to go.



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oDin said:
tell me

respect from other drug sites????? who the fuck cares?
 



Well said :smile:

12 hours... It sure would be nice to know what the fuck was going to happen.. Then again in the remarkable words of wayne and garth...

We're not worthy


g-dub 

Edited by georgewash (11/16/03 02:57 PM)

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Re: ? [Re: georgewash]
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one other point i have is this was tried before

doobie was put in charge

then when he did his job

yall pulled the rug out from under him

that sucks.

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Re: YOu Mother F*#&$r's [Re: geokills]
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" Why are people so set on changing OTD?
We are not changing anything yet. We are planning on conducting an experiment. This experiment will involve OTD but at this point in time there are no conclusive plans to get rid of or even modify OTD.
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Way to completely dodge the question. The question was WHY CHANGE OTD, not IS OTD CHANGING.


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Two gooood points, kinda like farrah fawcett


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fortyounces2freedom said:
why even have a feedback forum when the 'communities' crys' fall on deaf ears?

Please don't think that we aren't listening. That was not the impression I meant to give - I only wanted to stress that we are going to try something even though a lot of people may oppose the action. Trying something is never permanent and is only being done to help evaluate whether or not a change really is necessary. The ball is in your court so to speak, if people can hang and display decency and common respect than OTD probably won't even change noticeably.



Phluck said:
Way to completely dodge the question. The question was WHY CHANGE OTD, not IS OTD CHANGING.

The bottom line is we have not decided if and when we are going to make any changes. Thus, I think the question of whether OTD is changing in the first play is quite relevent to the matter of why it is (or is not) changing. You can bring in the calvary if and when we decide to change OTD - which we have not yet done. The placeholder thread in OTD should help to give an idea of what we are trying to accomplish - but at this point we cannot be specific because this is an ongoing situation.


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Re: ? [Re: geokills]
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Every mod/admin says something different. you guys cant even get your stories straight... :/


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Re: ? [Re: SizzlinJ]
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We are not the Borg Collective :smirk:


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Re: ? [Re: oDin]
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oDin said:
yeah why does this have to be such a high an mighty mycology site? the name....personally i dont hang here cuz the name and or status this site has.

its been just fine enuf to keep all of us(well some) here for a long time. what +'s would such a "change" bring?


We are one of the first type of sites of this nature. And people go start a new site and surpass us in mycological content. Tell me what our mission statement is. This is a site for mycology and we've gotten extremely off topic. Its not just OTD either. We have the right priorities, just in the wrong places.

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Re: ? [Re: TinMan]
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so do a grow log
But there's no need to kill OTD


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Re: ? [Re: geokills]
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"OTD probably won't even change noticeably."

Hey, I can hardly tell the difference!

"Please don't think that we aren't listening."

So you're listening to our opinions, they just don't matter to you.


I want to thank you again for making it so clear as to why this is being done. I'd love to go and check out the thread explaining things, but I'm not allowed to.

I feel as though I've been betrayed by the administration. The vast majority of OTD users opposed censorship, I didn't even get a chance to find out how many wanted it eliminated altogether.

OTD has been on the Shroomery longer than almost all the other forums. It's sad to see that the current administration has no respect for the opinions of its users or the institutions of free speech that made it great in the first place.



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Re: ? [Re: Phluck]
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I keep hearing community this and Community that, OTD was the first forum for the Community. All the other forums were strickly business.

Even when the forums were first split into classifacations OTD was listed under community. It was the heart of the cummunity and still is...well was the heart of the community. The only reason I and a VAST majority of people stuck around here was because of OTD and the community.

True I was first drawn to the shroomer for info about mushrooms and I got it in spades. But after i had my fill then what? Read the same posts being made day in and day out by everyone else looking for info?
Its the reason I gave up the modship, I couldn't handle answering the same question 5 times a time.

So just like when I got tired of the business forums I went into OTD and I knew I was home. I've met some of the best people in the world via OTD and the community here.

Honestly if you remove OTD you remove the community, flames and negitivity were abound in there but just like in any other community. The pub is nice if you don't mind always goose stepping around and faking a big smile. Its not "real" like OTD was, it feels fake and ingenuine there. Sure i post there from time to time but its never been the same as crazy as it sounds.

I dunno what else to say that hasn't. Everyone keeps talking about the community, well shit it looks like the current admin team and "staff" don't want a community they want an information site. If thats what you want then go ahead and do it, but don't half ass it. Just removing OTD and not the pub or the gathering forum or any of the other social forums is like beating someone half to death then leaving him in the salt flats a million miles from anyone and anything. He still may be alive but he'll die a slow and very painful death.

Nuff Said


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Re: ? [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
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Stop comparing OTD to a chat room.

You can't post porn pics in IRC.


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Re: ? [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
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I agree completely with everything you just said...


I too initially came to the Shroomery to brush up on my culivation techniques (translation: I failed about a dozen times when I first started out, and finally decided to really research what the hell I was doing before I scrapped another $20 worth of spores) I found what I needed and I left...with no intentions what-so-ever of returning. A while later I needed help with something else and remembered how easy it was to find what I needed to find here...so I came back, got what I needed, and that was that. For about a year I browsed casually from time to time, learning what I came to find and then disapearing again for another couple of months (or however long it took until I needed to learn somethin new) I didn't contribute to the community at all...I didn't click on any of the banners...I basically didn't do jack shit but leech information off the site - and even that was on a strictly need-to-know basis. It wasn't until I started venturing over into S&P that I actually wanted to be a part of what was going on here...and it wasn't until I began frequenting OTD that I finally started giving back to the community.

I might have initially came to the Shroomery just to snatch whatever information I needed to know...but I didn't decide to stay until I finally started feeling more like a member of a family or something - had it not been for OTD, that would've never hapened...and it seems to me that there are a lot of other people on these boards that are in exactly the same boat.




OTD is the community - it's the sole reason we have the number of members we have here, the amount of participation we have here, and the number of people that keep comming back. Without OTD this is just another information site that people will come to when they need a quick answer.


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I know this is a hard time for many of you who love the OTD forum. But what is in a name anyway? It is not like we are annihilating off-topic discussion from the community - you can still go make a post in The Pub about the best leak you ever took on the side of a school bus.. just don't post inane and empty drivel. I think that any initial change is always a bit trying, but people will eventually settle into it and be able not to concentrate on what may have been lost, but rather what they can still create. We are in no way telling people to bite their tongue, but respect for others and common decency is expected. Off-Topic will not die, it will only grow with time. Change is inevitable.


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Re: ? [Re: geokills]
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censorship sucks cock regardless. And thats all I have to say about that.


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geo- first and foremost, i'd like to thank you for your reply.
2nd of all, im going to make this brief and to the point,
bite my tongue so to speak,emotions are running very high,
& i will comeback to this forum when im cooled off.
with that being said:
Quote:
you can still go make a post in The Pub about the best leak you ever took on the side of a school bus.. just don't post inane and empty drivel


every single post i made today in the pub was deleted without the common courtesy of a p/m.
would you plz investigate, so i can feel alot more welcome at a site
ive contributed to for over 3+ years. thx.


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Re: ? [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
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"A customer is not a customer until they are a repeat customer." - Sam Walton.

People come here for the shrooms, but they stay for the atmosphere.

Except for the ones who don't like the atmosphere. They usually just leave.


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Re: ? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Think of this as your favorite bar.

Not even the owner can control who wants to patronized his establishment. He can take measures to increase the probability that he will attract a certain clientele, but he cannot force anyone to come in.

Do you think a bar could servive if they take all their regulars and toss em out because they are not "high class" enough?

It sickens me that you who want the freedoms to be able to discuss mushrooms without persecution are too God damned uppity to give the heart of this commiunity what it deserves.

This is my last post untill OTD returns.


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Re: ? [Re: geokills]
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"We are in no way telling people to bite their tongue"

Could you explain how forcing people to abide by rules restricting what they say is not telling people to bite their tongues?

Don't shit in my mouth and call it candy.


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Re: ? [Re: Phluck]
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You still have to go by the rules of the forum you post in.
Theres no need to bite your tongue unless all you want to do is flame, then there is. Try to get your point across with out
to much emotion, or personal attacks, and I'm sure youll get answers.


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Re: ? [Re: Phluck]
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Admittedly, I was a little overzealous in that statement.  However, as Paid said, topics of discussion are wide-open... it is only the matter in which you present them that you must take caution.


fortyounces2freedom said:
every single post i made today in the pub was deleted without the common courtesy of a p/m.
would you plz investigate, so i can feel alot more welcome at a site
ive contributed to for over 3+ years. thx.

I went through and took a look at the posts that were removed and it seems the majority were posts made after your original post was removed asking why.  I have reinstated this thread as it does not display any foul play.  You are angry, and rightfully so - btw, I even gave you a tip on how to fix your wall :grin:
 


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Mr Mushrooms if you are walking through the woods and find a fruit tree and eat, how have you not just eaten a "free lunch"?


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If you find some clothes in a store and take them are they free clothes?

The tree could have easily belonged to someone.


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Oh I forgot, everything "belongs" to someone these days doesn't it? Ok then dude, if I'm stranded on a desert island and I eat coconuts from the trees on the island, am I stealing? Have I then just eaten a free lunch?


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so now I suppose the *real* question is -

"If I passed out an woke up to find a bunch of ants crawling around inside my mouth, an then I decided to just swallow the little buggers...would that constitute as a free lunch?"

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There is a certain point when taking something that belongs to someone withoug asking is not stealing.

If that weren't true, then asking would be stealing time.

Taking an apple off of a tree in someone's front yard might could be considered stealing, but There are percimmon trees all along the roads where I live. Somebody owns them, but it is safe to assume that nobody cares if you take some percimmons. Therefore taking them is no more stealing percimmons, than asking about them would be stealing someoen's time.


They're not free, because you had to put your hand out and pick them to get them. A free lunch would be like if you were sleeping under a tree, and a bird crapped in your mouth.


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All that is bull. A free lunch is eating without working, stealing, or paying. Actually no one really can own land or trees anyway, they just think they can through tradition. If I eat a piece of fruit from a tree I found while hiking through the woods, it was damned sight well a free lunch, even if I had to reach forth my hand to recieve it.


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There are always laws and limits. Here at the Shroomery, and everywhere else.




except for in my mind.


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So stealing isn't always wrong?


Does it require intent? Can you accidentally "steal" something from someone?


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This belongs in S&P... :smirk:


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Mr_Mushrooms said:
It's a hard fact of life but there isn't any truly "free speech" anymore than there is the proverbial "free lunch".

I don't think negative assholes should have a home here. But hey, that's just my opinion.

Nice to see you in a discussion.

Cheers,

MM



I don't think most people know free speech is a word unto itself, I looked it up:
The American Heritage? Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.

free speech

NOUN: The right to express any opinion in public without censorship or restraint by the government.

That being said, nothing is free, in the terms of "having no cost", as energy must be spent by every active force in the universe, and also in the sense that ever cause has an effect.

Just thought it might help if we defined our terms, a common precursor to debate.

Thanks.

As a side note, I also ran across this while doing my search:

Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations. 1989.

AUTHOR: Charles Bradlaugh (1833?91)
QUOTATION: Without free speech no search for truth is possible, without free speech no discovery of truth is useful, without free speech progress is checked and the nations no longer march forward toward the nobler life which the future holds for man. Better a thousand-fold abuse of speech than a denial of free speech. The abuse dies in a day, but the denial slays the life of the people, and entombs the hope of the race.


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