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Spitball's Monotub Tek * 53
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Without further ado,

This is part of my series "The Basics"

Making a Monotub with Liner

The purpose of this tek is to show how to make a monotub with a liner. I did not invent the monotub, I just wanted to write a tek showing how to make one. Thanks to ohmatic (I think the inventor), TransendingLife, and FrankHorrigan for the inspiration. At the end, there is an option for magnetic hole covers instead of Stuffing holes with polyfil as usual.

This tek is brass tacks and down to business. If you are unclear on what a monotub is, why you should or shouldn't use one, or how it works, then check out these links:
Where to Begin
Basic Principles of a Monotub

***Please read entire tek before doing. There are a couple of things you may mess up if you don't read it all first. Especially concerning the top holes and magnets.***


The Monotub

The mono I'm making is pretty typical, just using my own words to describe it.

For this tek, I will be using a 66 quart Sterilite 1928N from Wal-mart. Different sized tubs will require different measurements. So try to understand what I'm doing and not just go by the exact measurements. I'll try to remind you of this as we go.


You are going to have a total of 6 holes in this monotub. 1 hole at each end, at the top, under the handle. 2 holes on each side just above substrate depth. Here's what the holes will look like:


You may be asking yourself "How do I know how high my bottom holes should be? I don't know how deep my substrate will be."

There are few ways to answer this:
1) L*W*H=V, solve for H. If your math skills suck, or your tub is not square, then:

2) Just come up 4 inches from the bottom. A typical substrate depth is 2.5-4 inches. Or, if you want to make it a little more complex, then

3) use water to mimic your substrate. Trust me, measuring up 4 inches is the easiest way to do it, though. But I will explain this anyway because people ask.

Since I use 1 brick coir(650g), 2 qts vermiculite, 4.25 qts water, and 6-7 jars of spawn, I end up with about 14-16 qts of substrate.

So, I poured 16 qts of water in my tub. This gives me about 3-1/8 inches. If I had put the bottom of my holes at 4 inches, I would have almost an inch of head room. It would have been fine because it's not an exact science and i would have room for a casing layer if I wanted. In a tub this size, 1 or 2 qts does not make a significant difference in depth.



I like to put my bottom holes so that they split the length of the tub in to 3rds. This tub is about 22 inches long at the water line, so the holes will be about 7 inches from the ends and 8 inches from each other. Again, not an exact science and your numbers may be different if using a different tub and depth. Just split in to about 3rds.

Mark the the water line and hole spread. Then dump out the water.



Since I want the bottom of my holes to be about an inch above my substrate, I need to move my marks up an inch. Remember? The water line is approximately the top of my substrate. I labeled them because I brain fart sometimes and don't want to drill in the wrong place.



Using a 1.5 inch hole-saw, I just eyeball lining up the bottom of the bit with the BOTTOM-HOLE MARK. Take your time when drilling. If you apply too much pressure, the plastic buckles a little and can cause the bit to catch and thus crack your tub. Just take it easy and the bit will eat on through. Putting your drill in reverse helps to prevent the bit from catching.

I've worked with my hands for years and have learned that having the right tools makes a big difference. Hole-saws work the best and kits can be found pretty cheap. Paddle bits are harder to control and snag more easily. Just a word to the wise.



After the holes are drilled, I clean off the burrs with a razor knife.

Remember this part for later and read the whole tek before drilling top holes. You shouldn't need to mark anything for that. Just stick your bit up close to the top and go for it. If you plan to use ironed polyfill taped to the top holes or my magnetic covers described below, leave about a 1/2 inch space at the top to attach them. If you plan to just use tape and loose poly, then don't worry about it, just leave a little space for the tape to have a place to stick nea the top.



Here we are full circle. Cleaned up and marks removed with alcohol.



Adding a Liner

I use a liner to prevent side pins. Side pins are pin formations on the side of the substrate. Although there is nothing wrong with pins and mushrooms growing on the side, I find them annoying to harvest and not particularly pretty. I prefer my pins to all be on top.

The main cause of side pinning is environment. As the substrate shrinks, a gap forms between the substrate and the tub walls. This creates a nice little micro-climate for pins to form. A liner inside the tub will stick to the mycelium as the substrate shrinks, thus preventing the nice little air gap.

I use thick plastic as a liner. I think it's 5 or 6 mil. You can find it just about anywhere that sells hardware.

There are a number of ways to do this, but here's how I do it.

Basically, I flip the tub upside down and wrap it like a birthday present. Then, I just remove the whole wrap and stick it in the tub.

First, I flip the tub upside-down and roll out enough plastic to go all the way from one handle to the other and cut it.



I use masking tape to hold the sides in place while I wrap the ends. Masking tap is easy to peel off. Don't put tape under the folds because you won't be able to remove it in the next steps. You can use whatever tap to tape plastic liner to plastic liner, just don't bury your tape when taping liner to tub.

Just fold and tape the ends like a birthday present. It don't have to be perfect or bullet-proof. Here's a couple pics of it all wrapped up



Now, just peel off the masking tape, should only be a few pices, and move the liner from ouside the tub to the inside of the tub.



Viola. Now you have a high-rise liner inside the tub ready for substrate and spawn. I like to leave the liner high until I'm finished mixing. This helps prevent stuff from falling down between the liner and tub. I cut the liner down to substrate depth once I'm done mixing. You can use tape to hole the edges up too.


Magnetic Hole Covers

****Don't get confused. If you are already familiar with the concept of stuffing your monotub holes with polyfil, it is perfectly fine to do it that way. I am just offering an alternative by making removable covers instead. Feel free to stuff your hole with polyfil instead. For some insight on stuffing your holes with polyfil, read How to dial in your monotubs like a boss and Basic Principles of a Monotub

At some point, you need to cover all your montub holes to prevent FAE during colonization. The holes should remain covered until 100% colonized and/or ready to fruit. Most people just use a non-breathable tape. The imperfect lids on these tubs is all you need for proper GE.

This part of the tek is based on Monotub Tek (Ironed polyfil filters for bottom holes) and My Magnetic SAB Arm-hole Covers. The credit for using ironed polyfil goes to Dialated. His post is the only one that I know of.

The idea here is to replace the tape and polyfil normally used for monotub holes. There's nothing wrong with using tape and then properly stuffing your hole with poly, this is just an alternative. Look at "Dial in your Monotub like a boss" for more info on stuffing with polyfil.

Because the ironed polyfil is still experimental, this part of the tek is subject to change. Results so far look promising.

I used a magnetic vent cover. They are thin and easy to cut. They come in different sizes and are about $5.50 for a 3-pack.

You have 4 bottom holes and 2 top holes.

The bottom holes need a magnet, with a hole in it, stuck to the tub. Plus, a magnet with a hole and filter. Plus, a magnet with no hole or filter as a colonizing cover.

The top holes each need a magnet with a hole and a soild magnet. Since the top holes usually get loose poly or no poly, I don't think it's worth it o make a filtered one.

So, all together, you need 10 magnets with holes, 6 magnets without holes, and 4 pieces of filter.

The Magnets

Before getting in to it, I just want to point out some stuff I discovered on the way. The strength of the magnets depends on orientation. It can be weak one way, but turn one of them 90 or 180 degrees and they stick like, well, magnets. That's why I cut them all the same size and square and put the hole in the middle. This way, it doesn't matter which way u turn them; they still look the same. If you make rectangles, it may look goofy to get the polarities right. But, it's just a matter of taste.

I also noticed the bare magnet sides stick together better than the painted sides. Still not real strong, but strong enough for our purposes.

Since my monotub holes are 1.5 inches, I'll make my magnet holes 1.5 inches. Since I need a little room around the hole for adhesive and my magnet covers are 5 inches wide, I thought 2.5 inch squares was a good number.

Mark out a grid on your covers with 2.5 inch squares.



Mark the middle of 10 squares. This is where you put the middle of your 1.5 inch hole-saw.



Word to the wise. These things are easy to tear so go slow and don't use hardly any pressure. Drill the holes before you cut out the squares because it's easier to hold this way. I laid it down on a piece of wood on the floor and held the cover with my feet. Make sure you use a thick enough piece of wood to keep from drilling your floor.

If you don't have a hole-saw, use scissors. A paddle bit will likely rip it to shreds.



Now you can cut out the squares. Before you start cutting out the squares, make sure you have 10 holes and 6 squares with no holes.



The Poly

I prepped the poly only slightly different than Dialated.

The high loft stuff comes in folded up rolls.

I just cut about a 4 inch slice off the end of the roll and unfolded it.



Then, I folded it back up to create 4 layers.



Then, I set my iron on medium and began to iron it. Keep the iron moving or you will scorch and/or melt the poly.

I found that ironing>folding>ironing prevented the loft from matting together and the middle layers would come apart easily. No big deal if you tape the ironed poly to the tub, but makes a difference when gluing one side to something as I am.

Putting it together

I turned up the iron a little and spent a little extra time on the edges to get them to lock together so the layers won't separate. After getting it all ironed out, I cut out 4 squares at 2.5 inches, same size as my magnets :smile:

I just used the magnetic squares as a template and cut around them.

All lined up with silicon on the white side of the magnets.



Two on the left are poly side up. The two on the right are magnet side up. Once my substrate is ready for FAE, these will go on the four bottom holes.




Now, you should have 6 magnets with holes in them without polyfil. These get siliconed to the tub around the holes. Scruff up an area around the holes with sandpaper to get the silicone to stick better. Put silicone on the white side of the magnet and stick it to the outside of the tub.

Remember my mention of the top hole alignment earlier in the monotub part of the tek? If you didn't leave a space above the hole, you won't be able to silicone the magnet there. You may have to trim the magnet a little to get a good fit. You may have to get creative with silicone too.

All the holes on the tub should look like the one on the right in this pick. This is what you stick the other magnets to.

On the left is a solid magnet cover for colonizing. The one on the right is just a magnet siliconed to the tub without anything attached to it yet for demonstration purposes.



The left is the polymagnet (may be the first time this word has ever been used. I get 10 cents every time you use it :smile:). Use it when needing FAE.



Once you have all the parts made, you should be able to slap on a solid magnet for colonization, and then, switch it with a polymagnet for fruiting. No tape, not stuffing.

Tips

All adhesive goes on the white side of the magnets. Double check before you get too far ahead. Denatured alcohol removes wet silicon pretty easily. Take a guess how I know :wink:

The magnet thing is not for everyone, it is extra work in the beginning and just a matter of taste really. To each their own. Only you can decide.

Regardless if you stuff your holes or use polymagnets, you need to have a fan in the room. Use a fan near your tubs, but pointing away. Some trusted members use a ceiling fan though. Again, for questions about how monotubs work in general, please refer to Basic Principles of a Monotub

As this is a long, detailed, and somewhat different monotub tek, I expect some errors and/or confusion. Just ask, but be respectful please.

Time to spawn

Now I can catch some Phish shows in peace.

Edited by SpitballJedi (04/21/16 08:54 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 3
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:takingnotes:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 2
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:rockon:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief] * 2
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I like it!

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Hyphai] * 2
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I really like the way you do your liners. I may have to try that instead of doing duct tape along the bottom.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TaiJi] * 2
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TaiJi said:
I really like the way you do your liners. I may have to try that instead of doing duct tape along the bottom.


Duct tape doesnt do anything to prevent side pins.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TaiJi] * 2
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TaiJi said:
I really like the way you do your liners. I may have to try that instead of doing duct tape along the bottom.


Just don't forget to put the liner inside the tub before you spawn...lol. I'm waiting for somebody to be confused by that.

Yes. taping the bottom has been mostly replaced with lining the inside.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 2
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:rockon: This is for real


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 2
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Quote:
SpitballJedi said:Just don't forget to put the liner inside the tub before you spawn...lol.


Yeah, when I started reading through, I was like "what is this guy doing, the liner goes on the inside!" :laugh:

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TaiJi] * 2
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:rofl2:

I expected that. I bet, even after this conversation, you won't be the last.

Just for clarity to others: When all said and done, the liner will be inside the monotub where it belongs.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 2
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interesting. so, are all of you guys testing this method using a fan pointing directly at the tubs? or is it with subtle airflow? will these things dry out? or has anyone gotten that far yet? im very tempted to test this with ape strain.ill be at it this week. im bored and need something to keep me busy.


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Edited by eatyualive (08/03/14 09:50 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive] * 2
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:wooawesome:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: HostileX420] * 2
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:takingnotes:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Bluephase] * 2
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Nice!  I'm saving this -- it just might be my next grow!


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Traveling0ut] * 2
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so heres a question. i don't want to glue anything. and i don't want to switch any magnets or filters between incubation and fruiting. id like to keep it simple and have one magnet with the filter attached for both. taking the incubating tubs out of the dark and fruiting in light with air pushing in the room. do you think using one of the filters during incubation will cause any drying out of the colonizing substrate? have you tested this yet?

i bought the magnetic vent covers. is it possible to use a magnet on both sides of the tub and hold the filter in place without gluing it to the tub? im going to get going on this soon. i like the idea of being able to remove the magnet and put a new filter on or use the magnet for another tub if need be without having to remove any glue ect. i like polyfil because i put it in once and im lazy and don't have to do anything after that. but i like the cleanliness of these filters. is this your test run now on this thread?


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Edited by eatyualive (08/04/14 09:37 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive] * 2
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I've pointed the fan at the tubs before and the tubs got a little dry. The bottom hole poly does not block higher force air currents very well. That's why the top holes are loose

The vent magnets don't seem strong enough to really hold very well with the plastic between them. That's why I RTV'd them.

The air flow allowed by the ironed poly seems to be about the same as poly stuffed tight in the holes. The airflow is closer FAE than just GE.

Using ironed poly has only been tested by Dialated as far as I can tell, but the results seem promising and have the same airflow as stuffed ploy as far as I can tell. The magnets are just a different way to attach the ironed poly. Dialated just tapes it on. If the Ironed poly doesn't work well, then the magnet idea will be pretty useless too. I'm not making a bunch of them until I get multuple test results. I'm still mostly using tape during colonization and the stuffed poly during fruiting. I just have one mono with poly and magnets.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 2
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Spitball for TC!:thumbup:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: BurberrySpores] * 2
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:rockon:

its a nice idea, definitly!!!
have you thought about getting a stronger magnet?

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: blojo02184] * 3
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I can't think of a stronger magnet that I could easily cut and drill holes in.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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unfortunately that is what i thought about the magnets. well, hmm. there has to be a way to make this work. ill run some test runs soon and post results. its all worth a few tries to me. i really want a magnet thats strong enough to hold the filters in place. that would be awesome.


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Edited by eatyualive (08/05/14 04:44 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive] * 1
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The only way I could make it stick is to RTV one to the outside so there is no plastic in between. This part of the tek is certanly not going to be for everyone. Tape and stuffed poly work great too.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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SpitballJedi said:
I can't think of a stronger magnet that I could easily cut and drill holes in.


In this day and age there has to be a store/site that custom makes magnet's for cheap!:cool:
I'll do some checking.:thumbup:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: HostileX420] * 1
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HostileX420 said:
SpitballJedi said:
I can't think of a stronger magnet that I could easily cut and drill holes in.


In this day and age there has to be a store/site that custom makes magnet's for cheap!:cool:
I'll do some checking.:thumbup:


These should do the trick.
http://www.amazon.com/Flexible-Magnetic-Material-12-inch-Magnetizing/dp/B001NGE9C0

Edited by TheChief (08/14/14 05:11 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief] * 1
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After reading the reviews, It seems like it's about the same as vent covers but 3 times the price. I like that you are looking in to it though.

I will do a few test runs before I make a big commencement to the idea. I hope people don't miss the part where I say it's experimental and subject to change. I've also made some with ez felt instead of ironed poly. I'll have some tubs going soon so I can test them out.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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I may test them on some monos I'll be building in the very near future.  I'll keep you updated.  Seems like an awesome idea.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief] * 1
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definitely keep me posted. The more data the better. I would like to be able to have a definitive :thumbup: or :thumbdown: on the polymags.


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Edited by SpitballJedi (08/14/14 05:36 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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How do you inoculate the monotub do you even need a spore print or syringe on all the monotub teks im looking up I cannot see any that say you need to do this before just the substrate is this tek really ALL you need to produce mushrooms ?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: heavyshrooms] * 1
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You use spawn?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: MastaBlastar] * 1
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How do you make spawn though ? from the pf tek method and then that's the spawn ?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: heavyshrooms] * 1
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You can, but inoculating rye grains or some other type of easily broken up grain works much better.  The new black is apparently whole oats, cause its cheap.


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"The harder you strive for knowledge of the task. the greater the outcome will be no matter what"


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: MastaBlastar] * 1
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So you basically inoculate a jar with a syringe and when it becomes fully mycelium then break it up and put it in a monotub ?


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heavyshrooms said:
How do you inoculate the monotub do you even need a spore print or syringe on all the monotub teks im looking up I cannot see any that say you need to do this before just the substrate is this tek really ALL you need to produce mushrooms ?


This tek is about making the monotub. Go back and read Where to begin over and over because the answer is in the write up. The whole point of the writ up is to answer that question.

You are not ready to ask questions on this thread yet.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: heavyshrooms] * 1
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Yes.  OR you can transfer that to more jars for more spawn.  General rul of thub around here is like 5-8 QT jars of spawn per 650 gram block of coir or equivalent substrates, such as poo, straw/brf, whatever.  Let colonize for 5-10 days (depending on spawn ratios) then pull the tape or whatever off the holes and stuff with poly.  Pins should show up a few days later.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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SpitballJedi said:
heavyshrooms said:
How do you inoculate the monotub do you even need a spore print or syringe on all the monotub teks im looking up I cannot see any that say you need to do this before just the substrate is this tek really ALL you need to produce mushrooms ?


This tek is about making the monotub. Go back and read Where to begin over and over because the answer is in the write up. The whole point of the writ up is to answer that question.

You are not ready to ask questions on this thread yet.


:rofldrunk: I was trying to be nice but :whathesaid:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: MastaBlastar] * 1
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He has not read enough because he is not asking the right questions at the right time in the right place. I'm not willing to hand-hold until he stops spinning around in circles.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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He man you are preaching to the converted.  I read his wuestion and came up with a whole bunch of mean answers telling him to go watch RR's vids, read a book, use the SE, ANYTHING as he obviously has not done that but decided to just answer him.  And this is a good writeup man.  I use the exact same tubs.


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You're cool, I didn't mean to sound like I was getting on to you.


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:saulgoodman:  I didn't think you were.


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SpitballJedi said:
heavyshrooms said:
How do you inoculate the monotub do you even need a spore print or syringe on all the monotub teks im looking up I cannot see any that say you need to do this before just the substrate is this tek really ALL you need to produce mushrooms ?


This tek is about making the monotub. Go back and read Where to begin over and over because the answer is in the write up. The whole point of the writ up is to answer that question.

You are not ready to ask questions on this thread yet.


It's like he's trying to get all the answers in one post  :facepalm: Heavyshrooms im tell you like they told me UTSF!!!! :grrr:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SpitballJedi said:
My evil plan will be clear soon. Just trust me on this


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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This is great.  I made my first monotub this evening and made the polymag (check is in the mail for $0.10).

I found it easier to iron the poly between a sheet of paper towel.  I took one sheet off the roll and folded in half.  I then put the poly between between the folded sheet and ironed the paper towel.  It seemed to work better as I was having a difficult time getting the iron to move smoothly across the poly without the poly bunching up or melting a bit.

Thanks again ... the magnets are genius!!

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: sdm7001]
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:lol: I'll put it on your tab. If you post results, PM me s I don't miss it. I want to keep up with everyone trying the ironed poly and/or polymags.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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What about EZ Felt instead of iron poly?  Two layers of EZ should suffice?  I'm making a mono right now and I have all the materials needed for polymags.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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One step ahead of ya man. I got ez-felt too. I'm going to try 1 layer though. Seems like 2 layers might block to much air flow. When I blow through 1 layer, it feels about like the ironed poly.

Also, with the magnets, some seem stronger than others. I don't know why.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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im gonna work on making these magnet filters this week. also, it helps if you want to pressure cook or sterilize the filters prior to your next spawn run. you can easily remove the filter and put a clean one on. im not forgetting about this one. i will get it done!


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what makes this so cool for an environment where you incubate where you fruit is the fact that you can put the double magnet on the holes. that is user friendly. very good idea!


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:solidnod:

Pretty easy to go from covered holes to filtered holes.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Here is the experiment:


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:thumbup: Your tub looks great

How do you feel about those magnets? Honest opinion. Do they seem to stay on well? Do you think it might be worth the effort?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I constructed two tubs already with polymags, they stay on great.  I'm loving the sleek look of the EZFelt mag filters too rather than stuffed poly.  I'll upload some pics here or in a new grow log within the next couple days.

Edited by TheChief (08/29/14 05:53 AM)

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:thumbup:


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I like it a lot.  The fact that they are neat and dont get snagged on anything is a plus.  Since I am a n00b at this hobby I dont have any experience with the original monotub setup.

I am a bit concerned that the filters will be too dense to allow the proper amount of air through.  I put one up to my mouth and was able to blow though it but will it be too much for the tub?

Thanks again ... like you said earlier you may have to twist the mags around a bit to get them to stick but it is clean.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: sdm7001]
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I'm wondering the same thing.  There are also various factors to the filter design... 

Are you using ironed poly?  Are you using EZFelt?  Are you using one or two layers?  Maybe one layer of EZFelt or ironed poly IS too much restriction...  Maybe 1 layer is too little and two layers is too much...  Who knows?

I've been wondering all these questions the past few days since I constructed mine.  Been asking around as well, can't seem to get an answer...

I now have two tubs colonizing for the past 3 days so I guess we will find out soon.  Currently, I'm using only 1 layer of EZ on my polymags. 

It just seems like more testing needs to be done before we know for sure.

Edited by TheChief (08/29/14 04:42 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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I used 4 layers of ironed poly.  I had to place them between a paper towel to get it hot enough to iron without melting or having the poly get stuck to my iron.

The filters look great ... and my tub is doing great while colonizing ... I'm just concerned about the filters when I am ready to fruit.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: sdm7001]
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I'm in the same boat.


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TheChief said:
I'm wondering the same thing.  There are also various factors to the filter design... 

Are you using ironed poly?  Are you using EZFelt?  Are you using one or two layers?  Maybe one layer of EZFelt or ironed poly IS too much restriction...  Maybe 1 layer is too little and two layers is too much...  Who knows?

I've been wondering all these questions the past few days since I constructed mine.  Been asking around as well, can't seem to get an answer...

I now have two tubs colonizing for the past 3 days so I guess we will find out soon.  Currently, I'm using only 1 layer of EZ on my polymags. 

It just seems like more testing needs to be done before we know for sure.


im testing the ironed filters with 2 ply thick and 4 ply thick. so far things look good in both. if the results are the same ill probably make the 2 ply thick because they take quite some time to make.

i looked all over for ez felt and couldn't find it unfortunately. i would run side by sides of each. im gonna bust out my drill soon to make these magnets.


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I found if you just trace the circle out, it can easily be cut with scissors just by starting a slice at the bottom of the square to the start of your tracing, then just cut the circle out.  The ones I use are very flexible and cutting a slit at the bottom doesn't effect functionality. 

The first time I tried to drill one out I completely destroyed it...  I don't know how Spit did it but he is one crazy guy.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

Edited by TheChief (08/29/14 05:13 PM)

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TheChief said:
I found if you just trace the circle out, it can easily be cut with scissors just by starting a slice at the bottom of the square to the start of your tracing, then just cut the circle out.  The ones I use are very flexible and cutting a slit at the bottom doesn't effect functionality. 

The first time I tried to drill one out I completely destroyed it...  I don't know how Spit did it but he is one crazy guy.


thanks, i was actually thinking i could do that as well but hadn't gotten to it yet. ill probably do it this way.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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I've worked with my hands a lot, so I can have a delicate touch when needed. I like your idea with the scissors chief. Seems a lot less messy and more controllable.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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The only person who has given me a straight answer about EZFelt is Spitball and I know he is still in the testing stage as well.  I do agree with him when he said two layers seems to be too much though.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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i think i read something the other day saying that ez felt hasn't worked very well for folks. it doesn't allow enough fae. but i haven't tried it personally. maybe there is a balance. maybe on the top holes you put loose polyfil and the ez felt in the bottom holes.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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Well we certainly haven't "dialed our polymag tubs in like a boss", have we...  I really would like to know because I have two tubs so far that depend on it.  Two days and I'll have one ready for casing...


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Edited by TheChief (08/29/14 05:42 PM)

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Lack of FAE is my concern for 4 layers of ironed poly , too. I have some experiments going and the ez-felt may be too thick.

I've done a little digging on ez-felt, not much, but I can't tell how things were exactly set up for most posts I found. Like you said, eat, felt on bottom and loose poly on top? Fan in the room? These are subtleties that could make a big difference.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I agree.  Well, I'll be testing this one out for sure.  Make sure to keep a spare polyfill pillow handy for emergency.


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:solidnod:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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with the tightness i stuff my bottom holes i would think a couple layers of the stiff easy felt would be fine. I would think that just one layer would allow too much airflow and dry out the sub. The idea of keeping loose poly on top holes is crucial and you should always have a fan in the room for circulation IMO(at least for monos and this experiment). I will be trying these out soon as well.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: tombosley8]
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I wasn't even aware of the loose top holes concept until now.  I was going to use the same on the top as the bottom, now I'm thinking I should do an intervention and make a change...


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Edited by TheChief (08/29/14 06:44 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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this would not work with them on the top i guarantee it. Maybe the really thin ez felt sheets :shrug: but poly works so good already it'll be hard to beat


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: tombosley8]
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Well polyfill is not so much a concern on the top as the bottom for me.  Most of the reason I like the idea of polymags on the bottom is because it doesn't get all up in the mushrooms, I saw one tub where a shroom was fused right into the poly.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

Edited by TheChief (08/29/14 06:52 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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Yeah i agree and as well as the act of just stuffing them. I liked the idea of pantyhose for the poly but then saw this. The thought of a simple magnet sounds so awesome. I can't wait to try it. :laugh:


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TheChief said:
I wasn't even aware of the loose top holes concept until now.  I was going to use the same on the top as the bottom, now I'm thinking I should do an intervention and make a change...


If all else fails: How to dial in your monotubs like a boss


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SpitballJedi said:
Lack of FAE is my concern for 4 layers of ironed poly , too. I have some experiments going and the ez-felt may be too thick.

I've done a little digging on ez-felt, not much, but I can't tell how things were exactly set up for most posts I found. Like you said, eat, felt on bottom and loose poly on top? Fan in the room? These are subtleties that could make a big difference.


i was worried they would be too thick when i made them. but they seem to be working just fine right now for me. im running a stand up fan in the room pushing air up against the wall. this circulates the air around the backside of the tubs.  the top poly holes are in very loose and light. all 4 bottom holes are either 2 ply(tub 1) or 4 ply(tub 2) thick ironed filters. i also have a total of 4 top holes. one on each side of the bin. i also incubated in a room with no fan or shall i say steel storage cabinet with a closed door. it is in the fruiting room but the doors remain closed. also if maintenance is needed, the fan is turned off 30 minutes prior to going near those other incubating tubs. then when it came time to introduce the tubs to fruiting conditions they were set in the room with a ceiling fan. the fan crapped out after 2 days so i used a stand up fan the 3rd day.

also, usually i use all polyfil holes. but i stuff them all tight. then i incubate with the polyfil in the holes. when i introduce pinning conditions i loosen the top holes. but im not incubating in the room with air circulation so i don't need tape during incubation.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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So, I guess I'll post this here before I post my first real grow thread...  I have gone Spitball by the book from my grain to my tubs (may the force be with me).

Currently, I have two tubs going.  One is B+ 66 qt spawned to CVG on Aug 25th.  The second is the same thing, except its PE spawned on the 26th.  Here are a few pics...

Polymags



B+ Progress.



PE. (what you are seeing on the tubs is my colonization magnets.  My EZFelt magnets are yet to be tested)



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Edited by TheChief (08/29/14 09:18 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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I love the magnet idea!

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TheChief said:
I found if you just trace the circle out, it can easily be cut with scissors just by starting a slice at the bottom of the square to the start of your tracing, then just cut the circle out.  The ones I use are very flexible and cutting a slit at the bottom doesn't effect functionality. 

The first time I tried to drill one out I completely destroyed it...  I don't know how Spit did it but he is one crazy guy.



I found that I started the drill and got the pilot hole going till the outside of the bit started to contact the magnet.  When that happened I reversed the drill and was able to get a smoother hole without tearing the magnet.

Hope that works for you.

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ok so i built mine today. i found some useful tools. a circle cutter from a craft store. this brand is fiskars.



this stuff is very thin. i found out that you can simply score the magnet with an exacto blade and put the metal ruler over it and pull the rest apart. it doesn't cause any rough edges either.

1.


2. circle cutter


3.holes cut out


4. scored the magnet long ways and short ways. also if there is a small leftover strip i cut that off completely.


5.used the ruler to hold down the score and pulled apart long ways.


6.stacked em 3 ply. held the ruler down and pulled all apart in one pull.


7. done


8. rtv'd


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Edited by eatyualive (08/30/14 11:58 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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That cutter is awesome!  I need one of those.


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Nice job eatyualive.

I am going to have to get one of those cutters.  Fantastic ... love this community!!


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so i was all excited about to spawn two tubs. and when i tried putting the filter between the magnets. my filters are far too thick. the magnets won't hold them in place. im going to have to use poilyfil for now until i can make those filters thinner or find some ez felt. it sux the magnets are extremely weak for me. even when i turn them in 360 degree rotations to see if its stronger. the thickness of the filter won't even let the magnets get very close to each other at all. im going to have to fix the filters.... to be continued...

Edited by eatyualive (09/05/14 11:05 PM)

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eatyualive said:
so i was all excited about to spawn two tubs. and when i tried putting the filter between the magnets. my filters are far too thick. the magnets won't hold them in place. im going to have to use poilyfil for now until i can make those filters thinner or find some ez felt. it sux the magnets are extremely weak for me. even when i turn them in 360 degree rotations to see if its stronger. the thickness of the filter won't even let the magnets get very close to each other at all. im going to have to fix the filters.... to be continued...


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Dilated]
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yeah im going to have to pre prep everything next time. i had everything setup to spawn right then. ill give it a go next time.


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eatyualive said:
yeah im going to have to pre prep everything next time. i had everything setup to spawn right then. ill give it a go next time.


I bought a bunch of new tubs and put my silicone and filters on right after I spawned it.  I figure it's going to sit around spawn running, might as well put new filters on them right with it.  Didn't hurt a thing :smile:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Dilated]
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Yeah, there can't be anything between the magnets. The dark sides have to be facing each other with nothing in between. They are still kind of weak, but hold this way.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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ah ok. from the picture i thought you were putting one magnet rtv'ed to the tub. then the filter, then the other magnet to hold it. i looked at it incorrectly. damn i really wanted this to be like a holding thing without having to silicone anything to the tub. well ill try it when i do the next set of tubs!


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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The sticky on my magnets are good enough that you don't even have to pre sand or RTV them.  They adhere quite strongly to the tub by itself. 

However, I do crazy glue my EZFelt to the magnets.  I'm also planning on gluing a piece of cardboard or something to the back of each of my colonization magnets so they are more rigid and not so flimsy.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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:thumbup: In my opinion, the jury is still out on whether the extra effort is worth it not. The magnets can be added at anytime though.

Chief, how are you sticking the magnets to the tub? is the plastic sandwiched in between?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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What do you mean?

TheChief said:
The sticky on my magnets are good enough that you don't even have to pre sand or RTV them.  They adhere quite strongly to the tub by itself.



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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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I just don't understand. Does you magnets have a sticky back or something? I'm trying to figure out how they stick to the tub.


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Yeah, they are magnet sheets with adhesive on one side.


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Edited by TheChief (09/06/14 11:52 AM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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Where did you get those?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I got mine at a crafts store, they were expensive...  Seen something like them on Amazon or Ebay for a decent price though.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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I love this idea with the magnets!! Even if it's only for appearances, looks more professional.  :rockon: once I get situated in my new place and everything up and running again, I'm gonna attempt to make these.
I noticed my last tub, bottom polyfil seemed to have aerial mycelium grow up and onto the poly hanging over the substrate.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Filthschwein]
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Michaels craft stores have sticky backed magnets.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Sockadin]
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sockadin do you think those magnets are any stronger than the ac vent magnets?

i really want to do away with siliconing the filter to the magnet. i want the magnet to hold my filter in.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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The Micheal's ones are what I used.  They worked great but cost 20 bucks for a small sheet, which isn't cost effective for doing multiple tubs.


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jcbowling1985 said:
"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

Edited by TheChief (09/16/14 06:25 AM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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I got a sticky back 1x2 roll at hobby lobby for $10 and they seem stronger than the vent covers. They are thinner so I can see why using a drill would be harder.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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how thick should the magnets be? I found these seems reasonable enough but will they work? http://www.amazon.com/ProMAG-Inches-Adhesive-Business-Magnets/dp/B00DV1N44O/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1410907819&sr=8-8&keywords=adhesive+magnets


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: tombosley8]
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It's really hard to say because this thing is still new and in development. I happened to already have vent covers when I first wrote this, so I could test the strength and they are ok if you line them up right. The roll I recently bought, I opened up the box at the store and checked it out and they seem a little stronger.

There seems to be pole lines in the sheets and if you cut them and the opposite poles don't line up, they barely stick. But, if you get the opposite poles lined up, they stick pretty well. You may have to play with them to see what I'm talking about. I'm no magnet expert and that's as good as I know to explain it.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SpitballJedi said:
I got a sticky back 1x2 roll at hobby lobby for $10 and they seem stronger than the vent covers. They are thinner so I can see why using a drill would be harder.



see if they will hold a filter between two? can you check? if so i might grab some.

TheChief said:
The Micheal's ones are what I used.  They worked great but cost 20 bucks for a small sheet, which isn't cost effective for doing multiple tubs.


will they hold a filter between them?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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No, they won't.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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:whathesaid:


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

Edited by TheChief (09/16/14 07:00 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TheChief]
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great post man :thumbup:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Hey Spitball.

I had a question about the FAE in my monotub.

I've been messing with it since I started fruiting. Humidity on all sides of the tub, but no signs of FAE (no evaporation under the top holes.) So I turned a fan on and left it there all day. Came home and the sides of the tub are drying up all around, not just around the holes.

Is it better to have the humidity on the walls with no signs of FAE rather than dried walls?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: moonsphere]
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Nice job, SBJ!

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: fahtster]
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Thx.

I like for there to be condensation on the walls except the dry rings. In my experience, if the walls are all dry, then the surface usually is too, or at least it soon will be.

Sometimes it takes a day or two before you see solid signs of FAE. It depends on the air currents around the tubs. If you're not getting signs of FAE by day 2 or 3, you may need to play with a fan. Add a fan pointing away from the tubs at first.


It's been my experience that it's easier to have high humidity at first and slowly make adjustments to get more FAE. Drying out the tub is harder to fix.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I think this is the tek I will be using.  But I have a question about humidity and fae.  Does the polyfill help get fae or do I mist and fan to raise the humidity and what not?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Sanguin3]
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So then why do ppl use poly fill. Why do u need all the holes on a monotub? Can't I just keep it air shuut and fan and mist 2-3 times a day?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: FilthyShroomz]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19279962#19279962


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: FilthyShroomz]
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FilthyShroomz said:
So then why do ppl use poly fill. Why do u need all the holes on a monotub? Can't I just keep it air shuut and fan and mist 2-3 times a day?


fan out the chamber 4-6 times pr hour, yes. but that's ridiculous and you need to sleep.
that's why we have holes in our tub and balance out the FAE/RH relationship and keep fresh air supply constant.


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allrighty. did it right this time!



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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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looks like the magnet filters are working!



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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: eatyualive]
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spitball. the magnets work!




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:fuckinawesome:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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There was a question above about the FAE vs humidity.  Having both dialed in is a perfect situation but if you're having trouble getting both perfect, I would er on the side of keeping the humidity high.  You will get very fuzzy footed mushies IMO but they will grow and thrive pretty well.  If you're running a bunch of tubs (10+) it's going to be very difficult to get all perfect @ all times.  I still have trouble with it TBH.  But having dry walls is really going to hurt you because it means your water content is really low and your shrooms will not grow as healthy or abundant.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Dilated]
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just had a tex tub that had a poly hole fall out for 12 hours. dried the tub right out. you can rotate the tubs to try and give them equal amounts of fae. if one spot is getting better airflow on the outside of your stack then you may want to move some tubs that might need better airflow in that position. ill do this if i see a tub not doing so well. i was attempting the idea of running a small fan against the wall behind my tubs. and keeping the one i have now thats oscillating back and forth. it was too much airflow lol. dried out the tubs about an hour later. so scratch that idea. also depends on your setup. i find that using a small fan at pushing air in a large room does absolutely nothing for my tubs. so you have to have some more power depending on room size. a small closet setup is an easy fix. but 16-20 tubs don't fit in a small closet.

i just made my sub mix almost 3 drips between the finger rather than 1. ive found the last few rounds ive done have had a low moisture content which hasn't helped along with polyfil holes falling out. damn. it sux bc i got about an 8-12 hour gap between checking so if its out in the am its out all day. tub will be dry by the time i get home. i still let it flush out first flush then do a normal dunk after that.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: tripdawg420]
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WOW YOU HAD SOME FRUITS GROWING OUT OF THE POLY-FIL LOL


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: directexperience] * 1
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What the heck is goin on around here!!??


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: nobody83]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20738250#20738250

are you :tard: ?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: bodhisatta]
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Dunking grains? Viable still?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20738250#20738250

are you :tard: ?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: taGyo]
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taGyo said:
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Dunking grains? Viable still?


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17616982#17616982


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bodhisatta said:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20738250#20738250

are you :tard: ?


LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
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wowimflabbergasted said:
taGyo said:
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Dunking grains? Viable still?


http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17616982#17616982


Added to my big post of shit for noobs. Never even knew you could do this.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I hope all is well. I loved you post.
I was wondering about an idea, and I couldn't find a answer anywhere. I would like to know, if would be possible to use the synthetic filters used in the jars for air exchange, in place of the polyfil in the holes of the monotub. Would that works?
I really appreciate it.

Thank you.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Flying Macaw]
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I've tried using SFD's, but they restrict FAE too much. They are great for GE uring colonization in jars, but once you are ready to initiate pinning in a mono, Lots of FAE is beneficial and SFD's just really don't provide it.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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for the monotub holes, I only have a bit for 1 inch not 1.5 inch. Will it still work? if not, how can I fix it? can I use a hot screwdriver and melt the hole the right size? any ideas? no money for a new bit.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: shroomspirit97]
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I have never used a hole that small, but it will probably work. I honestly can't say for sure how well though.

I would put holes a little higher though because you may have to loosen the poly a little more to allow adequate FAE. I've found loose poly on the bottom holes can cause the substrate to get dry underneath them and result in contamination in those areas.

I would keep the bottom of the holes about 2-3" above the substrate to so FA will mix with the humid air better and help prevent the drying.

If you have an Harbor Freight or Northern tools neaby, they have hole-saws really cheap. I got a kit there for $5.99. Walmart will allow you to return it after used. Just say you tried it and it didn't get the job done because it doesn't cut well enough.

You mightbe able to cut it with a hot knife or soldering iron.

Someone who has used 1" holes may come along and give advice based on experience.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: sdm7001]
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i have heard that micropore tape works just as good saves the hastle

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: pyro101981]
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EZ-Felt. The stiff kind. Allows more FAE than SFD's.


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:takingnotes:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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great tutorial thanks @spitball ! i just finished RTVing magnets to the tub. i have a question though if you can help me out, i know this is old thread but do you think

would it be safer, to when i slap on the fruiting magnet, to tape the sides of of the magnet to the tub for the very small gaps inbetween the two magnets attaching to eachother?

that would still be better for me than constantly having to deal with polyfil.

as long as these dont go through any harsh conditions, say water or heat or breaking, they should relatively last a very long time would you say?

Edited by shroomivore (11/17/17 05:55 PM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Why do you not use tyvek on the inside to prevent the moisture from escaping by siliconing a piece? What is the benefit of the polyfil its not to prevent bacteria or small particles?

Edited by TherickSanchez21 (01/05/18 10:33 AM)

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TherickSanchez21]
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You can sneeze on your monotub. The poly isnt a filter. Its an air regulator.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: bodhisatta]
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:thumbup:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: bodhisatta]
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What is the value then of having the polyfil at all why just not have holes why would you need the poly?

Why not attach tyvek to keep moisture in?

Why not use sfd filters?

Why use anything at all?

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: TherickSanchez21]
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You don't necessarily need the polyfill while you're fruiting but it can reduce air exchange when leaving the hole completely open would allow too much. It is essentially the same as reducing the hole size. You could do the same by taping over part of the hole. Filters tend to block too much air.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: Kizzle]
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Why not just make smaller holes?

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Poly is easier to adjust to allow less or more air flow.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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i just made your tek, but if i cant control the weather ill just pop on some good ol'polyfil. hope it works though very professional.

do you use this now on the regular? or have you gone back to poly-fil?

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Yo spit. Noobs here. Just wondering(I read the majority of this thread) how did the ironed poly work out for ya?

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: KapKrunch]
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I'm on sabbatical from growing right now.

It worked, not any better or worse than just stuffing. Just a little cleaner looking.


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It's good to see you still kicking.  :thumbup:


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: hamloaf]
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:hi: spitball!

you dont know me. im not mental or anything...


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Thanks for all your contributions to the teks on here spitballjedi. They've came in handy for me more than once. Thanks again!

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Definitely going to use your guide for my first monotub. Thank you.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: PsiloSci]
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Is the liner absolutely necessary? I've seen people spray paint and cover the totes in black where the sub sits but then you want it on the inside? Is this to prevent messes or what exactly? Might have to experiment with this once I get more tubs going.  If everyone is saying that side pinning is not triggered by light then a liner would only be to make things a little cleaner right?

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: JiM aYYYY]
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it reduces side pinning because of the microclimate formed between the substrate and the tub walls when there isn't a liner

it also makes clean up easier because most full size monos don't easily fit into a kitchen sink

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: thelanzii]
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The substrate touching the walls a problem? I have seen people not use any liners. That's why I ask.

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the substrate touching the walls isn't the problem its the microclimate that happens when the substrate shrinks

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: thelanzii]
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Ahhh that makes sense. It will just stick to the sub as it dries. Reusable after using it a few times will probably be tough though. But I have a feeling I already messed up my bags hahaha just need my PC to arrive and will be using wbs Tek and making my own sub. Self efficiency is key.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: JiM aYYYY]
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side pins aren't the end of the world, they are just hard to harvest

if your surface conditions are dialed in you will get limited amount of side pins anyway

checkout bod's unmodified monotub tek

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I just made mine with a 71 quart container with holes at 4inch.  I got a hole saw kit on amazon for 15 bucks.


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I just created my second  Spitball Mono Tub :



I used a Sterlite 64 quart from King Supers for 8.99.  I use 5 quarts of spawn with spawn to substrate ratio of 1: 2. So I dumped 15 quarts of water in and  marked my hole lines one inch above the water line.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: audiosnipez]
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Can I use cotton instead of polyfill?

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Sleepful said:
Can I use cotton instead of polyfill?


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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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This is kind of the idea I had floating around in my head but was thinking of using Velcro instead of magnets. For colonizing I would have a sold cover and for fruiting I would use use felt (basically ironed poly fill). I'm doing mini monos with gasket lids so the lids fit well, just wondering if I'll suffocate them out by covering all holes during colonization.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: MastaBlastar]
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This thread is quite old, so by now you've surely had some personal experience with oats instead of rye grains. What's the verdict? I've always used rye, but oats sure are cheaper and readily available.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Do I latch the lid for fruiting after I see a few pins? That wasn't clear from the Tek.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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In a box of a smaller size, say 45 quart, how big would you want your holes?

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Thanks for sharing. I’m trying this out my next run.

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Re: Spitball's Monotub Tek [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Thanks for the great instructions and pics!

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