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Dilated
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Improved melted SFD/lid tek 2.0 (no more silicone) 6
#20406855 - 08/12/14 01:22 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey there shroomerites, this is my "melted lid/SFD tek". I'm updating it today because I discovered a cool way to make injection ports now without using silicone. Just peel off the self healing injection ports after you use your spawn bags and you can melt them to your lids! Recycle, reuse.. win win Of course if you don't have any of those you can still use silicone as a self healing injection port.
Supplies: - (1) WIDE Mouth plastic Jar Lids "Mainstays Wide Mouth Canning Jar Lids"
 - (1) Drill - (1) 1/4” drill bit for gas exchange hole and 3/8" for injection port
 - cut to size SFDs

(I use penny sized cut outs from a regular mouth SFD mat) but you can also use my homemade SFD's made from ironed polyfil mat
 That's the homemade SFD to the right (looks pretty much the same)
- (1) Pair of Scissors
 - (1) Sharpie
 - (1) Torch
(a small butane lighter works well too)
Start by drawing out your circles on your SFD mat that you plan to cut out.

Since you're only making 1/4" holes you won't need more than a penny sized SFD because you don't need big ones to put silicone on anymore
After that cut as many out as you will be making.
Then I get out my lids. I use this brand and I love them. They're cheaper than Ball brand as well.

Now drill the holes. Use your 3/8" drill bit to make a hole in the center of the lid. I like to have my injection port right in the middle of the lid so I can inoculate grains in the center of my jar. Half way between the center hole and the outside edge drill another hole using your 1/4" drill bit. If you happen to crack it while drilling you can always melt it back together if it's not too f'd up.
After all your holes are drilled it's time to adhere the SFD's to your lid over the holes. I put my SFD's on the top of the jar lid. Start by lighting up your torch and slowly circling the drilled opening to get the plastic nice and hot so that it will become sticky and wet.

Line up the injection port as well as you can and push it down over it. Then you can flip it and push down more to make a nice seal. Once you've done the injection port, you can begin heating up the next hole to repeat the last step with an SFD. Here's what the self healing rubber/SFD lid looks like.

I don't use the injection ports really ever so I just make one hole in the center with an SFD melted to it. Looks like this..

Don't over do it obviously or it will just melt away and drip but I haven't had that happen yet so be careful. Once it is good and hot (visually "wet") stick the SFD to it. Continue for all your lids. Here's a few more pictures of the finished product.
    
There you go, no more nasty messy silicone. No more sanding your lids so the silicone can adhere to it. As soon as the plastic comes back to room temperature the lid is finished and ready to be PC'd. No more waiting hours for the silicone to dry. You don't even have to cut quarter sized SFD's out now because you don't need extra room for silicone. You can make them as small as you want as long as they cover your holes. I've tried "picking" the SFD's off and it's very difficult to get off. This also worked with the ironed polyfil I use and normal SFD's that you can buy from our wonderful sponsors. I recommend using SFDs. I never heard of anyone doing this before so I hope this makes life a lot easier for a lot of you. Please leave your comments and concerns, I'll gladly engage you guys.
Edited by Dilated (12/17/14 08:39 PM)
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Dilated]
#20406859 - 08/12/14 01:25 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Sagescruffy]
#20406894 - 08/12/14 01:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is clever! Silicone is kind of a huge pain. Idk if my SFDs will work like this because they look a little different, but this thread def makes me want to try. My lids kind of suck and were the source of contamination early on due to faulty seals.
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Sagescruffy]
#20406897 - 08/12/14 01:40 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude would this work with comercial SFD's?
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Dilated
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20406906 - 08/12/14 01:43 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mr. Alien said: Dude would this work with comercial SFD's?
Yeah I used the ones I had left and it worked great. They stick like glue!
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Dilated]
#20406912 - 08/12/14 01:45 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you PC them yet?
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Dilated]
#20406919 - 08/12/14 01:47 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I stuck 'em in the PC to make sure they would stay and they did. In fact, these are so solidly structured I will NOT be going back to silicone.
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Dilated]
#20406926 - 08/12/14 01:51 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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And to think what i could've done with all that glue I'M IN yo alien read that writeup a couple more times he's thinking a little ahead of you
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Edited by tombosley8 (08/12/14 01:53 AM)
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: tombosley8]
#20406944 - 08/12/14 02:00 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dude is the 3 of the morning, im like a fucking zombie. To be honest i read the note too fast and only see the images.
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Mr. Alien]
#20406956 - 08/12/14 02:05 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'm just messin with ya i'm in the same boat aye aye captain?... Dialated this ones to you Thanks for making my night I'm gettin up early JUST to try it out. Feels like christmas eve:D
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Edited by tombosley8 (08/12/14 02:09 AM)
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: tombosley8]
#20406994 - 08/12/14 02:32 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dig the ingenuity, but I prefer the peace of mind silicone seals give me.
For all we know those sfd filters will pop off after next pc run. I think this needs to be battle tested before being an official tek. 
I'm excited to see how these hold up over time.
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#20407006 - 08/12/14 02:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I fully agree... wait did someone say guinea pig?
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Edited by tombosley8 (08/12/14 02:44 AM)
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: tombosley8]
#20407015 - 08/12/14 02:44 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: I agree... did you say guinea pig? 
Not me. I'm stuck in my old ways and I actually dislike plastic lids. 2 part metal lids all the way. I've had the plastic lids unscrew on me while shaking my spawn which caused it to fling all over my room and they aren't water tight so I question what else is getting in there.
I love seeing new techniques pop up though.
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#20407037 - 08/12/14 02:58 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I saw RR say the same about shaking with them but as long as you screw it tightly initially then shaking should have no problems. I've done a good amount so far and no problems but that was with knowledge of RR's mishap. I don't mind the metal as i have some, but I think i should've made them all with the gasket up. Sucha a pain to open during sterile procedure with the gasket down.But even compared to the metal lids with the gasket up the one piece plastic lid i prefer .... It's def just preference and it shouldn't make much difference in success either way (at least for me), but i'm gonna have to say plastic ftw maybe try some out again with the knowledge of them having to be very tight. oh yeah i was told that as long as the ge is sufficient then even an imperfect seal will not be able to pass contams because air movement flows where there is least resistance (Filter)
Edited by tombosley8 (08/12/14 03:04 AM)
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Dilated]
#20407109 - 08/12/14 04:11 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Dilated said: Now I begin drilling the holes out of my plastic jar lids. I line up with the middle of it. Go slow or you may break them like I did my first one.
I made sure the drill is turning loose side when I made my lids/monotub holes. it prevents cracking, but it takes a bit longer.
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Haywire]
#20407244 - 08/12/14 05:50 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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 very nice i have to try it
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: cArcace-x]
#20407286 - 08/12/14 06:11 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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When drilling through plastic lids, you're much less likely to crack the plastic if you turn the lids upside down on a piece of scrap wood before drilling, because then the drill bit doesn't "punch through" to empty space. It just continues drilling into the wood.
Also, when drilling holes that are larger than 1/4 inch, I find that drilling a smaller pilot hole beforehand saves a lot of wear and tear on my personality.
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Sporechucker]
#20407436 - 08/12/14 07:15 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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yo!!! thats fuckin clever dude!! i like that!!
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: blindingleaf]
#20407492 - 08/12/14 07:35 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Improved SFD/lid tek (you'll never use silicone again) [Re: Dilated]
#20408014 - 08/12/14 09:56 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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NICE JOB! I can't wait to see if they stand the test of time, which I think they will, and I too personally like the plastic lids better, just make sure they are screwed on tight before shaking, as someone mentioned, I have had about 30 sfd's for about a year, and have never got around to using them, but this may make me try them out!
I am def. glad I did not use them on the metal lids!
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