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shroomening

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130 L (137 qt) Ikea monotub
#27712872 - 03/29/22 12:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hello my mushroom brothers,
I needed to get some new monotube boxes and then thought why not test the biggest ones I can find to see if I get more per flush due to larger substrate surface. So I found these 130 L (137 qt?) boxes at Ikea and ordered them home. They are really big in real.

I have previously used 70 L (74 qt?) boxes with 5 qt jars of spawn, 650g coir and 2 L vermiculite.
My question is if you have any tips for me to think about for these 130 L monotubes?
Can I run the same amount of spawn (5 qt): coir (650g): verm (2 L)? I understand that the thickness of the substrate will be lower, is that okay?
Previously, I have run 2 holes per long side at the level of the substrate, and 1 hole on each short side at the top. Should I have extra many holes in such a large box?
Thanks brothers, and sorry for the long text
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dyel



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Re: 130 L (137 qt) Ikea monotub [Re: shroomening]
#27712875 - 03/29/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I use this exact one but as a sab
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shroomening

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Re: 130 L (137 qt) Ikea monotub [Re: dyel]
#27712878 - 03/29/22 12:56 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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dyel said: I use this exact one but as a sab
Hehe What do you think about using it for monotube?
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Shroomoisseur
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Re: 130 L (137 qt) Ikea monotub [Re: shroomening]
#27712884 - 03/29/22 01:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I would think you’d want to increase the amount of substrate otherwise the cake surface conditions will dry out a lot quicker due to the bigger container size. Also there will be less gas exchange since you’re creating same size culture cake but increasing the container dimensions
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shroomening

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Shroomoisseur said: I would think you’d want to increase the amount of substrate otherwise the cake surface conditions will dry out a lot quicker due to the bigger container size. Also there will be less gas exchange since you’re creating same size culture cake but increasing the container dimensions
Thank you for taking your time to answer brother.
So do I have to increase the amount of rye spawn then? Or is it enough that I only increase the amount of coir and vermiculite?
I do not understand what you mean by there would be less gas exchange? There are still holes in the monotube for air and gas exchange? Do you mean I have to have more holes?
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Re: 130 L (137 qt) Ikea monotub [Re: shroomening]
#27712905 - 03/29/22 01:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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So your last tub was 74qt approx and now you’re doing almost double the volume; the colonization of sub by your spawn generates heat which helps facilitate the movement of gasses within the container. The holes are there to make it easier but don’t necessarily force gas exchange themselves. More holes would make it easier If you double volume but keep the same sub ratio then it will still expend the same amount of energy colonizing, however the energy will be dispersed throughout a lot more material of the container. This will drop the temps and be harder for the cake to maintain proper environment. Hope this makes sense, I’m very stoned
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shroomening

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Shroomoisseur said: So your last tub was 74qt approx and now you’re doing almost double the volume; the colonization of sub by your spawn generates heat which helps facilitate the movement of gasses within the container. The holes are there to make it easier but don’t necessarily force gas exchange themselves. More holes would make it easier If you double volume but keep the same sub ratio then it will still expend the same amount of energy colonizing, however the energy will be dispersed throughout a lot more material of the container. This will drop the temps and be harder for the cake to maintain proper environment. Hope this makes sense, I’m very stoned
Hehe nice brother, wish I had a joint at home to smoke right now, hehe. Enjoy!
I understand what you mean. So I should not make more holes then maybe? Should I continue with the same, to have 2 holes on the long sides and 1 hole on the short sides at the top?
I'm wondering if maybe I should make 3 holes on the long sides instead of 2 holes?
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Ankhseramun
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Re: 130 L (137 qt) Ikea monotub [Re: shroomening]
#27713617 - 03/30/22 02:37 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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shroomening said:
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Shroomoisseur said: So your last tub was 74qt approx and now you’re doing almost double the volume; the colonization of sub by your spawn generates heat which helps facilitate the movement of gasses within the container. The holes are there to make it easier but don’t necessarily force gas exchange themselves. More holes would make it easier If you double volume but keep the same sub ratio then it will still expend the same amount of energy colonizing, however the energy will be dispersed throughout a lot more material of the container. This will drop the temps and be harder for the cake to maintain proper environment. Hope this makes sense, I’m very stoned
Hehe nice brother, wish I had a joint at home to smoke right now, hehe. Enjoy!
I understand what you mean. So I should not make more holes then maybe? Should I continue with the same, to have 2 holes on the long sides and 1 hole on the short sides at the top?
I'm wondering if maybe I should make 3 holes on the long sides instead of 2 holes?
You can drill more holes and tape them shut if it turns out to be too much. With such a big tote you'll definitely want to increase your substrate amount drastically. The harvest will be a huge pain in the ass too. You'll be sitting at it for hours on end but that's more of a novelty problem lol.
I'd say go with two holes as any other TEK for the first time and dial it in for the next time according to your observations.
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shroomening

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Re: 130 L (137 qt) Ikea monotub [Re: Ankhseramun]
#27713623 - 03/30/22 03:27 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Ankhseramun said:
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shroomening said:
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Shroomoisseur said: So your last tub was 74qt approx and now you’re doing almost double the volume; the colonization of sub by your spawn generates heat which helps facilitate the movement of gasses within the container. The holes are there to make it easier but don’t necessarily force gas exchange themselves. More holes would make it easier If you double volume but keep the same sub ratio then it will still expend the same amount of energy colonizing, however the energy will be dispersed throughout a lot more material of the container. This will drop the temps and be harder for the cake to maintain proper environment. Hope this makes sense, I’m very stoned
Hehe nice brother, wish I had a joint at home to smoke right now, hehe. Enjoy!
I understand what you mean. So I should not make more holes then maybe? Should I continue with the same, to have 2 holes on the long sides and 1 hole on the short sides at the top?
I'm wondering if maybe I should make 3 holes on the long sides instead of 2 holes?
You can drill more holes and tape them shut if it turns out to be too much. With such a big tote you'll definitely want to increase your substrate amount drastically. The harvest will be a huge pain in the ass too. You'll be sitting at it for hours on end but that's more of a novelty problem lol.
I'd say go with two holes as any other TEK for the first time and dial it in for the next time according to your observations.
Okay thank you so much brother
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