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OfflineMojo_Risin
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What if Judaism Ruled the world?
    #2018651 - 10/17/03 08:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031017/ap_on_re_as/islamic_summit

I'm thinking some consiracy has been in full effect for some time now. Hebrews were a major influence on religion before Jesus Christ started his preaching, what would become the second testament, therfor its seems as if they were behind Christ's Death through conpirsacy. Possibly making a deal with the Romans. Also, pointing to "World War Two", having proxying North America with its influence via wealth.


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Re: What if Judaism Ruled the world? [Re: Mojo_Risin]
    #2019356 - 10/18/03 12:51 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The 'big conspiracy' is a world-wide Jewish/Zionist movement that fights by proxy. It's very silly, and I'm quite surprised the Muslim Conference turned into such a fiasco.


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Re: What if Judaism Ruled the world? [Re: Mojo_Risin]
    #2019366 - 10/18/03 12:54 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Mojo_Risin said:

Hebrews were a major influence on religion before Jesus Christ started his preaching, what would become the second testament, therfor its seems as if they were behind Christ's Death through conpirsacy. Possibly making a deal with the Romans.





You do know that the romans hated the jews? Romans were pagan as the time. Jews had little or no influence in the Religious aspects of roman society


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Re: What if Judaism Ruled the world? [Re: Mojo_Risin]
    #2019400 - 10/18/03 01:12 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Do you perchance happen to wear an eyepatch? I ask because you seem to see only those Jews who are portrayed in the NT as being opposed to Y'shua. ALL of the friends surrounding Y'shua were Jews. Y'shua was the Perfect Jew. For the first couple of hundred years, the followers of 'The Way' (later called Christians) still worshipped in the Synagogues with non-followers of The Way. All I perceive here is more anti-Jewish feeling. If someone is anti-Jewish, they're anti-Jesus. Jesus redefined what it was to be a Jew. Gentile believers are 'grafted-in' Jews. Those of us who are Jewish followers of Jesus (Y'shua) are Completed Jews, not converted Jews. We wish to be Jews after our Teacher.


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Re: What if Judaism Ruled the world? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2019411 - 10/18/03 01:15 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Thats wby we should all just hate ALL religions in peace and Harmony LIKE ME!!! :grin:


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Re: What if Judaism Ruled the world? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2019665 - 10/18/03 03:10 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

doesn't it say in revelations that a third of the Jews will convert to Christianity, another third will die and the rest will go to hell in the last days?

it's great to recognize the common roots of Judaism and Christianity but it seems that Jews are just bit players in the Christian drama, at least according to Christians.



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Re: What if Judaism Ruled the world? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2020092 - 10/18/03 08:33 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

all this religion stuff is more dramatic than daytime television. its sad that it effects us all though, and people are dying every day because of it. what kind of religion is that?


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Re: What if Judaism Ruled the world? [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2020194 - 10/18/03 11:20 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

No, it doesn't.
More anti-Jewish sentiment from Gentiles who are very questionably Christian with such disdain for the human matrix from which Jesus emerged. 'Salvation is of the Jews.' Gentiles may not have to undergo circumcision and first convert to Judaism to become Christians (which was argued among the Apostles themselves), but they must enter into a Covenant with God's people, and God's people are first and foremost those tho remained faithful to the God of Israel - i.e., righteous Jews. There in NO question about Gentile Christians being anti-Jewish and still believing themselves to be the humble souls required for salvation.


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Re: What if Judaism Ruled the world? [Re: tak]
    #2020212 - 10/18/03 11:31 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

there are so many differing views on the events surrounding the execution (let's leave aside the central mystery of the recurrection, mmmkay?)... even interpretations on the gospel accounts vary widely... and the canonical gospels were composed from 30 to pehaps 100 years after the events of  passion week... each with its own polemical axe to grind, to be sure... (slanted, so to speak...)
since the bare facts are subject to dispute, the reports we have faded with time, transmission, and apologetics (like it or no), and getting to know the societal matrix within which they occured takes some digging, well -- getting to the "why of the which" is even more problematic...
side note: if one had to place the human rabbi yeshua within the political scheme of judea & galilee under roman rule, one would have to group him with the pharisees (tho' quite possibly with essene and/or zealot overtones :wink: ; certainly john the baptizer had exposure to essene teachings, and several of the twelve had zealot connnections)
another note: the two "thieves and/or murderers" who were crucified at eh same site as jesus were almost certainly "sicarii" ("curved swords" which was a violently anti-roman zealot faction...
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as to "what if judaism ruled the world?" ---
which time-line shall we examine?
the one in which the jews won one their periodic anti-imperial uprisings? (from the maccabee brothers against the greeks to any of the several anti-rome struggles...) -- one in which their fervor spread across the roman empire & toppled the throne of caesar?
or the one in which the kazar decicion (9th century southern russian kingdom mass converted to judaism) appealed to the many peoples who were poised between the old native pagan beliefs, the christian collective (even before the great schism the church was hardly "catholic" (i.e. "universal"), or the rapidly expanding forces of the prophet of islam (with a caliphate in iberia, another in the eastern mediterranean, and expansionist jihads into africa, europe, and the far east...)
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the jews did not neccesarily wish to convert the world -- they were called to witness to the nations that "the lord our god is one god" & were required to treat non-jews justly under the law...
might not be all that bad of an alternate history, (or histories)...
shall we investigate a few of those parallel universes together, friends?
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