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InvisibleSwami
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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5093916 - 12/22/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Are you set to sacrifice your first-born son?

I am not, but Bush & Cheney are, and have. They must have tremendous religious faith.


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Invisibleredgreenvines
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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Swami]
    #5094285 - 12/22/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
not a jewish guy but good at following his bliss

what was the question?

BTW it's great having a controversial origins.
FI
as a jew, I can toss epithets with plenty of garlic underneath the radar of a goy detector, but otherwise it is business as usual.


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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5094372 - 12/22/05 03:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Campbell's take on religion has been compared to Einstein's idea of science in his last days, the search is for a unifying theory. Joseph Campbell believed all the religions of the world, all the rituals and deities, to be ?masks? of the same transcendent truth which is ?unknowable.? He claims Christianity and Buddhism, whether the object is 'Buddha-consciousness' or 'Christ-consciousness,' to be an elevated awareness above ?pairs of opposites,? such as right and wrong.




Ya, I like that! I definitely need to check out this guy's works.



Markos,
do you think there are a majority of literal interpreters or Gnostic interpreters of the ancient scriptures?

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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5094590 - 12/22/05 04:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Gnostic interpretation of scriptures belongs to the very few. I came to it through psychedelics. Ram Dass' Guru Neem Karolie Baba said that "LSD is like Christ in America." He said that the most materialistic country in the world needed to approach GOD through a material. Enter the unwitting servant and alchemist of GOD, Dr. Albert Hofmann. I was at odds with everyone in the United Methodist seminary that I attended from 1976-78. I would paraphrase something from BE HERE NOW, like "The Way is The Way is The Way...," with reference to The Way-Christ NOT being a long-haired 1st century Jewish carpenter, but the same invisible reality of The Tao (which means The Way). Students would look at the professor, worry on their faces, and Professor T.C. Oden said: "We don't all have to be high-fliers." In other words, the prof got it, but assured the class that everyone does not have to hold such 'elevated' views of the scriptures. And, I assume he was right, but that is because the majority of Christians are what the Gnostics called 'Psychic' Christians while only a few were 'Pneumatic' Christians who held lofty, cosmic understandings.

Hey, if rough inner city kids like the ones portrayed in the film 'Stand and Deliver' could learn advanced mathematics - lots of people could be taught a truly cosmic perspective when it comes to their religion. Most people take the religious myths at face value and do not know how to read more deeply (or highly). I would say that the same thing happens with dreams. People who we dream about symbolize certain psychic qualities that belong to us, the dreamer. The images of people in our dreams are not those people who we know in waking life. The motives and words of our dream images are our own psyches speaking to us, not our family members, friends, enemies, etc. Scriptural words, when they 'speak to us,' speak through OUR understanding according, not the author's understanding. Non-psychedelic seminarians had no cosmic understanding to interpret the scriptures, and I came to believe that a psychedelic understanding makes infinitely more sense than a superstitious or magical-thinking (not occult magic, child developmental 'magical-thinking') understanding. I further presume that most Shroomerites have learned to trust psychedelic insight over non-ordinary reality when it comes to spiritual-metaphysical assumptions.


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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5095295 - 12/22/05 07:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

So these books you read Markos, are for following or else? God is a man in flesh, not some supernatural being, What does god have written about aliens, do they exist to him or not?

Markos i do not believe you have eaten the mushroom, to see what the mushroom is here for. What do you say about the rainforest? Is it not the center of the galaxy?


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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Droz]
    #5095299 - 12/22/05 07:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Is sex not meant for reproduction and reproduction only?


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InvisibleSilversoul
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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Droz]
    #5095326 - 12/22/05 07:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Droz said:
Is sex not meant for reproduction and reproduction only?



Um...no? :confused:


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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Droz]
    #5095335 - 12/22/05 07:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The mushrooms when i took them did nothing to me but show me basic instincts that were inside of me, it did not bring upon hallucinations until later. Showed that i was an alien from a different galaxy. God knows this so god does not want one leaving the herd. Showed me the existance of the black people. Their existance is from the tree. My existance is from a seed.

I learned that we are all different types of monkeys on this planet, we inhabit the monkey body.


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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Droz]
    #5095345 - 12/22/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Paradigm how could it not be for reproduction? DUH!


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InvisibleSilversoul
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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Droz]
    #5095354 - 12/22/05 07:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Droz said:
Showed that i was an alien from a different galaxy.



Based on your posts, I'm almost willing to believe that.


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InvisibleSilversoul
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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Droz]
    #5095361 - 12/22/05 07:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Droz said:
Paradigm how could it not be for reproduction? DUH!



Of course it's for reproduction. The question was whether or not it was for reproduction ONLY. DUH!


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Invisibledblaney
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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Droz]
    #5095364 - 12/22/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Reproduction is one potential outcome of sexual intercourse. As is ecstatic union, emotional release, fulfillment of lust, etc. etc.


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: How can a Jew still have faith? [Re: Droz]
    #5095404 - 12/22/05 07:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And what is lust? But a desire to reproduce.

Materialism is wanting to have too much.


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